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16 Mar There were once Diana Fritillaries here. ["Frank Boyle" ] 12 Mar Re: luna moth eggs/caterpillars needed for science project [lance biechele ] 12 Mar luna moth eggs/caterpillars needed for science project ["Arthur V. Evans" ] 10 Mar Virginia Festival of the Book-20 March 2010 ["Arthur V. Evans" ] 8 Mar Re: Zorapterans [Garrett ] 08 Mar Re: Zorapterans ["Arthur V. Evans" ] 8 Mar Re: Zorapterans [lance biechele ] 8 Mar more bugs for the Delmarva [lance biechele ] 08 Mar Zorapterans [Arthur V. Evans ] 7 Mar Re: fist butterfly on Delmrva [lance biechele ] 7 Mar Re: fist butterfly on Delmrva [Hans Holbrook ] 7 Mar fist butterfly on Delmrva [lance biechele ] 7 Mar Re: Scientific names [] 07 Mar Scientific names [Alex Netherton ] 06 Mar Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] ["porchtwo" ] 6 Mar RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] ["Frank Boyle" ] 5 Mar Announcement of new MD and DE state and county butterfly records accumulated in 2009 ["Smith, Richard H." ] 4 Mar Announcing new Washington Area Butterfly Club website ["Smith, Richard H." ] 3 Mar Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] [Mona Miller ] 03 Mar Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] [June Tveekrem ] 3 Mar RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 3 Mar RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] [Frank Boyle ] 03 Mar Atteva pustulella [=punctella] ["porchtwo" ] 2 Mar Re: FW: Atteva punctella [Rick Borchelt ] 2 Mar FW: Atteva punctella ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 26 Feb RE: [washbutterflies] A Stinky Situation, last words... ["Frank Boyle" ] 21 Feb A few bugs! ["paul" ] 18 Feb It's a Bug's World, Entomological Society of America's program for the family, Annapolis, 3/7/10 ["Kuehn Faith (DDA)" ] 12 Feb A Stinky Situation [Mona Miller ] 10 Feb Snow.... Plus a Butterfly Talk [Mona Miller ] 5 Feb Bee Specimen Drying Video Now Available [Sam Droege ] 05 Feb Re: Robberfly photo [Hal White ] 4 Feb Re: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) [Mona Miller ] 4 Feb Re: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) [lance biechele ] 4 Feb RE: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) ["Kirchner, Kevin (Civ,ARL/SEDD)" ] 3 Feb Re: Robberfly photo ["Paul Bedell" ] 3 Feb Re: Robberfly photo [Mona Miller ] 03 Feb Re: Robberfly photo [Hal White ] 3 Feb Re: Robberfly photo ["Paul Bedell" ] 03 Feb Identification Please - Trying again ["pachydiplax" ] 3 Feb Re: RE: A Stinky Situation (2nd try) [Mona Miller ] 03 Feb Identification please [Hal White ] 3 Feb RE: A Stinky Situation (2nd try) [Harry Pavulaan ] 2 Feb New Bee Washing Video now out [Sam Droege ] 2 Feb A Stinky Situation ["Frank Boyle" ] 01 Feb Bug of the Week - Scorpionflies [June Tveekrem ] 25 Jan FW: [washbutterflies] Tripling Citizen Success in Stopping Bad Development, Feb. 7, 2pm ["Smith, Richard H." ] 12 Jan Re: Data on Butterfly Declines. [] 3 Dec Re: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 3 Dec Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 3 Dec Re: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc [sally o'byrne ] 3 Dec Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 3 Dec Online Guide to the Sphecid Wasps of Eastern North America Now Available [Sam Droege ] 3 Dec drawn-out fall [second try] [Harry Pavulaan ] 1 Dec FW: [washbutterflies] late butterflies ["Smith, Richard H." ] 25 Nov 2009 August Bee and Wasp Results from the Wilna Unit of Rappahannock NWR [Sam Droege ] 25 Nov Re: [se-odonata] Citrine Forktails [Hal White ] 25 Nov RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 25 Nov RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 25 Nov belated butterfly report [Harry Pavulaan ] 24 Nov Re: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction [lance biechele ] 24 Nov Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction [Alex Netherton ] 23 Nov RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction ["ialm AT erols.com" ] 23 Nov Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction [Harry Pavulaan ] 23 Nov Lumpers [Alex Netherton ] 23 Nov New Virginia Records for Bees [Sam Droege ] 22 Nov Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction [lance biechele ] 20 Nov Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider [lance biechele ] 20 Nov Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider [June Tveekrem ] 20 Nov Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider [Lynette Fullerton ] 20 Nov Identification Help for an Orange Spider ["wbreslyn" ] 12 Nov Re: RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids [Hal White ] 11 Nov Re: RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids [Sam Droege ] 12 Nov RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids [Harry Pavulaan ] 11 Nov Re:chatter bugs [Alex Netherton ] 10 Nov Re: chatter bugs [] Subject: There were once Diana Fritillaries here. From: "Frank Boyle" <ravenfrank AT earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:58:58 -0400 This is of personal interest to me (I have been monitoring Diana Fritillaries, Speyeria Diana in Bath County, VA for many years), and should be to all butterfly enthusiasts in the area. There were, in one part of West Virginia, colonies of Diana Fritillaries, which have very specific woodland habitat requirements. They disappeared as the coal mining method called "mountaintop removal" marched relentlessly across Boone County, West Virginia: * World of Change: Mountaintop Mining, West Virginia http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/hobet.php?src=eoa-fe atures Based on data from NASA's Landsat 5 satellite, these natural-color (photo-like) images document the growth of the Hobet mine in Boone County, West Virginia, as it expands from ridge to ridge between 1984 to 2009. This is why there is no such thing as "clean coal". I am outraged, and saddened. We sat back and let this happen. Frank Boyle Rohrersville, MD ravenfrank AT earthlink.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: luna moth eggs/caterpillars needed for science project From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:24:32 -0800 (PST) Hi Art,    I have a luna cocoon that I have been nursing over the winter. Would she be interested in hatching the moth to see if maybe it is a female?    With Best Regards, Lance ________________________________ From: Arthur V. Evans To: VA-MD-DE BUGS Cc: Jen Kotkin Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 9:36:55 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] luna moth eggs/caterpillars needed for science project   Greetings all! I am passing this along in the hope that someone out there can help my friend Jen Kotkin with her project. If anyone out there is raising luna moths this spring and will have some eggs or caterpillars to spare, please contact her directly. Many thanks! ART EVANS Begin forwarded message: > From: jen k > Date: March 12, 2010 6:03:49 PM EST > To: "Arthur V. Evans" > Subject: Re: luna moth > > Dear Art: > I am requesting the assistance of acquiring Luna moths/caterpillars/ > eggs for raising in my Life Science Class. I am at 342 Central Ave > in Newark NJ and teach 7th grade Science. You can reach me via > email at creeturefeeture AT yahoo.com. > > Thank you for your time, > > Jen Kotkin > Listserv Moderator, Association of Professional Wildlife Educators > Come join us! www.apwe.org > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: luna moth eggs/caterpillars needed for science project From: "Arthur V. Evans" <arthurevans AT verizon.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:36:55 -0500 Greetings all! I am passing this along in the hope that someone out there can help my friend Jen Kotkin with her project. If anyone out there is raising luna moths this spring and will have some eggs or caterpillars to spare, please contact her directly. Many thanks! ART EVANS Begin forwarded message: > From: jen k > Date: March 12, 2010 6:03:49 PM EST > To: "Arthur V. Evans" > Subject: Re: luna moth > > Dear Art: > I am requesting the assistance of acquiring Luna moths/caterpillars/ > eggs for raising in my Life Science Class. I am at 342 Central Ave > in Newark NJ and teach 7th grade Science. You can reach me via > email at creeturefeeture AT yahoo.com. > > Thank you for your time, > > Jen Kotkin > Listserv Moderator, Association of Professional Wildlife Educators > Come join us! www.apwe.org > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Virginia Festival of the Book-20 March 2010 From: "Arthur V. Evans" <arthurevans AT verizon.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:31:38 -0500 Greetings all! I am doing a book signing at this year's Virginia Festival of the Book held in Charlottesville. Copies of my books, "What's Bugging You?" and "National Wildlife Federation Field Guide to Insects and Spiders of North America" will be available at the event. Come by and say hello! For more details visit . Hope to see you there! Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. 1600 Nottoway Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.264.0488 arthurevans AT verizon.net Research Associate: Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA What's Bugging You? http://arthurevans.wordpress.com Checklist of the New World Chafers http://www.museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/SSSA/nwmelos.htm Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find out about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Zorapterans From: Garrett <froglipp AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:52:19 -0500 I really enjoyed this essay on the angel insect. I have seen these many times while looking for salamanders but really knew nothing about them. Thanks, Lisa Garrett north Beach froglipp AT gmail.com On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Arthur V. Evans wrote: > > > > Greetings all! > > I just posted a photo and essay on the zorapterans I found today in > Charles City County at < > http://arthurevans.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/hubbard%E2%80%99s-angel-insect/ > >. In the event that the link is stripped from this email, you can > visit my blog at the link below "What's Bugging You?" in my signature. > > Think spring! > > Cheers, ART EVANS > > Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. > > 1600 Nottoway Ave. > Richmond, VA 23227 > 804.264.0488 > arthurevans AT verizon.net > > Research Associate: > > Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC > Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA > Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA > > What's Bugging You? > http://arthurevans.wordpress.com > > Checklist of the New World Chafers > http://www.museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/SSSA/nwmelos.htm > > Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find > about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Lisa R Bierer-Garrett North Beach, MD froglipp AT gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Zorapterans From: "Arthur V. Evans" <arthurevans AT verizon.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:47:20 -0500 Lance, I didn't know about the biochemical mimicry in zorapterans. Do you have a citation that I could look up? I would like to add it to the essay. Cheers, ART Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. 1600 Nottoway Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.264.0488 arthurevans AT verizon.net Research Associate: Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA What's Bugging You? http://arthurevans.wordpress.com Checklist of the New World Chafers http://www.museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/SSSA/nwmelos.htm Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find out about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:42 PM, lance biechele wrote: > Dear Dr. Evans, > Thank you for the great article on Zorapterans. I have collected > them > in Wicomico County always under the large pieces of bark from dead > Loblolly pines. > What is also interesting - and something that the article didn't > mention - > zorapterans also release a chemical that passes them off as just > some more > ants. Otherwise, the ants would not tolerate another intruder. > With all Best Wishes, > Lance > > ________________________________ > From: Arthur V. Evans > To: VA-MD-DE BUGS BUGS > Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:40:44 PM > Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Zorapterans > > > > Greetings all! > > I just posted a photo and essay on the zorapterans I found today in > Charles City County at 03/08/hubbard% E2%80%99s- angel-insect/ > >. In the event that the link is stripped from this email, you can > visit my blog at the link below "What's Bugging You?" in my signature. > > Think spring! > > Cheers, ART EVANS > > Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. > > 1600 Nottoway Ave. > Richmond, VA 23227 > 804.264.0488 > arthurevans AT verizon.net > > Research Associate: > > Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC > Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA > Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA > > What's Bugging You? > http://arthurevans. wordpress. com > > Checklist of the New World Chafers > http://www.museum. unl.edu/research /entomology/ SSSA/nwmelos. htm > > Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find > about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Zorapterans From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:42:28 -0800 (PST) Dear Dr. Evans,    Thank you for the great article on Zorapterans.  I have collected them in Wicomico County always under the large pieces of bark from dead Loblolly pines.      What is also interesting - and something that the article didn't mention - zorapterans also release a chemical that passes them off as just some more ants.  Otherwise, the ants would not tolerate another intruder.    With all Best Wishes, Lance ________________________________ From: Arthur V. Evans To: VA-MD-DE BUGS BUGS Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 4:40:44 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Zorapterans   Greetings all! I just posted a photo and essay on the zorapterans I found today in Charles City County at . In the event that the link is stripped from this email, you can visit my blog at the link below "What's Bugging You?" in my signature. Think spring! Cheers, ART EVANS Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. 1600 Nottoway Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.264.0488 arthurevans AT verizon.net Research Associate: Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA What's Bugging You? http://arthurevans. wordpress. com Checklist of the New World Chafers http://www.museum. unl.edu/research /entomology/ SSSA/nwmelos. htm Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: more bugs for the Delmarva From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:22:54 -0800 (PST) Hi Folks,    Yesterday, I reported thhe season's first Question Mark butterfly. Today, I saw 2 Eastern Commas [Polygonia comma]  in an old forest along the Pocomoke River, Worcester County, MD.    Also, in Wicomico County, MD, in a sandy pine forest, my first of the season's tiger beetle, Cicindela transquebarica, usually the earliest tiger beetle to emerge here on lower Delmarva Peninsula.    Hope that your bugs are also within a few days of emergence. With al Best Wishes, Lance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Zorapterans From: Arthur V. Evans <arthurevans AT verizon.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:40:44 -0500 Greetings all! I just posted a photo and essay on the zorapterans I found today in Charles City County at . In the event that the link is stripped from this email, you can visit my blog at the link below "What's Bugging You?" in my signature. Think spring! Cheers, ART EVANS Arthur V. Evans, D.Sc. 1600 Nottoway Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.264.0488 arthurevans AT verizon.net Research Associate: Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC Virginia Museum of Natural History, Martinsville, VA Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA What's Bugging You? http://arthurevans.wordpress.com Checklist of the New World Chafers http://www.museum.unl.edu/research/entomology/SSSA/nwmelos.htm Become a fan of "Dr. Art Evans, entomologist" on Facebook to find about upcoming lectures, books, and other insect events [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: fist butterfly on Delmrva From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:01:06 -0800 (PST) Hi Hans,    Of course, I was referring to the first butterfly of the season here on the Delmarva.    Sorry! Best Wishes, Lance       ________________________________ From: Hans Holbrook To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 8:45:40 PM Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] fist butterfly on Delmrva Lance are you saying its a first for the shore this year, or ever? A quick check of my spreadsheet shows I have had sightings in Kent, Queen Anne's, Dorchester, and Wicomico. Not sure, but I should have photos of a least one. Hans Holbrook Crofton, MD ____________ _________ _________ __ From: lance biechele To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 6:37:40 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] fist butterfly on Delmrva Hi Folks, The record has already been posted for the first butterfly of the season in this weekend's reports. However, today's Question Mark [Polygonia interrogationis] , in wet woods along the Nassawango Creek Nature Preserve, is the first record for a butterfly [or this species] on the Delmarva. Nice close-up - dark subapical mark! With all good wishes, Lance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: fist butterfly on Delmrva From: Hans Holbrook <hansholbrook AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:45:40 -0800 (PST) Lance are you saying its a first for the shore this year, or ever? A quick check of my spreadsheet shows I have had sightings in Kent, Queen Anne's, Dorchester, and Wicomico. Not sure, but I should have photos of a least one. Hans Holbrook Crofton, MD ________________________________ From: lance biechele To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 6:37:40 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] fist butterfly on Delmrva Hi Folks, The record has already been posted for the first butterfly of the season in this weekend's reports. However, today's Question Mark [Polygonia interrogationis] , in wet woods along the Nassawango Creek Nature Preserve, is the first record for a butterfly [or this species] on the Delmarva. Nice close-up - dark subapical mark! With all good wishes, Lance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: fist butterfly on Delmrva From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) Hi Folks,    The record has already been posted for the first butterfly of the season in this weekend's reports.    However, today's Question Mark [Polygonia interrogationis], in wet woods along the Nassawango Creek Nature Preserve, is the first record for a butterfly [or this species] on the Delmarva.  Nice close-up - dark subapical mark!     With all good wishes, Lance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Scientific names From: RestoreHabitat AT aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:48:57 EST In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:23:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, danetherton AT charter.net writes: In the interest of politeness, I use common and scientific names in my correspondence to groups where I think people are both pros and amateurs. I ask this in the Southeastern Odonates group, but it isn't a hard and fast rule. Thank you for your reasoned and gentle response. It was like a breath of fresh air. Randy Pheobus, President Native Grassland Conservancy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Scientific names From: Alex Netherton <danetherton AT charter.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:22:52 -0500 I hate to add fuel to the fire, but it is awfully easy to add the common name to the binomial. I am a Biologist, but when I talk about Desmognathus auriculatus, I really don't expect anyone to understand what I am talking about, and do not consider it "dumbing down" to simply say "Southern Dusky Salamander", just to help out non-herpetologists. Yes, I can look up names unknown to me on Google or Wikipedia, but to ask people to do that is overbearing and rude, plus saying that people are "intellectually challenged" by scientific names is IMHO, rather rude and abusive. Ornithologists use common names all the time, and curiously, use them often to the exclusion of scientific names - I know; I took Ornithology as a graduate course. In the interest of politeness, I use common and scientific names in my correspondence to groups where I think people are both pros and amateurs. I ask this in the Southeastern Odonates group, but it isn't a hard and fast rule. For those of us who are scientific name challenged, at least in some disciplines, I find Wikipedia to be an excellent resource, as their catalog of living creatures is truly immense, and they are working on validation and review. I am generally not too challenged in most vascular plants, herpetiles, and some mammals, but insects are unfortunately terra incognito to me... Respectfully; -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC danetherton AT charter.net http://blueridgediscovery.com Subject: Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: "porchtwo" <BPatter789 AT aol.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:14:56 -0000 --- In VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com, "Frank Boyle" wrote: > > - However, after a thread of at least 4 messages, only the Latin > (scientific) nomenclature was used. > It was imbedded in my post and would have been seen if anyone had followed the link to data at BugGuide. I was responding to a post wherein it was evident that the requester of information was not intellectually challenged by scientific names. Nor would anyone entitled to the use of the appellation "entomologist" or "amateur entomologist" be in any way challenged or discommoded. Any entomologist, whether amateur or not, would know how easy it is to use Google to pursue unfamiliar terms. If professional or semi-professional (serious amateur) responses are not to be welcomed here it should be stated and spelled out for all to see. Requiring everyone to dumb down to the lowest common denominator, or to have to check to see whether a common name exists is not going to enhance learning or the flow of information. > - Had the sender included the common name (Alianthus Webworm Moth) many > of us amateur entomologists could have helped him out. > Nothing has prevented this help from being offered. I look forward to seeing what the help consists of. > > > From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of June Tveekrem > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:52 PM > To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Atteva pustulella [=punctella] > > > > > > Yes, I recall that discussion. The exception, of course, would be for > insects that don't have a common name. > > June > > -- > June Tveekrem > Columbia, Maryland, U.S. > damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com > http://SouthernSpreadwing.com > > On 3/3/2010 3:34 PM, ialm AT ... wrote: > > Consensus was reached on a list serve that it is best to have both the > common name and the scientific name each at least once in an article. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Subject: RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: "Frank Boyle" <ravenfrank AT earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 03:02:07 -0500 So, my main points in bringing this up in the first place are: - The original message inquired about information on a very familiar, and introduced, North American moth. - However, after a thread of at least 4 messages, only the Latin (scientific) nomenclature was used. - Had the sender included the common name (Alianthus Webworm Moth) many of us amateur entomologists could have helped him out. Frank Boyle Rohrersville, MD ravenfrank AT earthlink.net From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of June Tveekrem Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:52 PM To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Atteva pustulella [=punctella] Yes, I recall that discussion. The exception, of course, would be for insects that don't have a common name. June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com On 3/3/2010 3:34 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: Consensus was reached on a list serve that it is best to have both the common name and the scientific name each at least once in an article. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Announcement of new MD and DE state and county butterfly records accumulated in 2009 From: "Smith, Richard H." <Richard.Smith AT jhuapl.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:13:55 -0500 All, I am pleased to announce that again through the diligent efforts of some of our butterfly observers and surveyors, twelve new county butterfly records, and one Delaware State record were established in 2009 for Maryland and Delaware. (In some cases, the date of the actual butterfly observation was in a year prior to 2009.) The Cherry Gall and Northern Azure species (numbers 13 and 14 below) have also been added to the Maryland state butterfly list through the long-term research and survey efforts on the Celastrina by Harry Pavulaan (of Leesburg, VA) and Dr. David Wright (of Lansdale, PA). Harry well qualified the validity of these species designations and locality occurrences for me last year. Finally, a new record for the Confused Cloudywing for Montgomery County, MD (number 15 below) and actually reported in the Proceedings of the Entomological Society of Washington in 1934 was overlooked since that time, but it is being added this year as part of the historical record. For all records, the contributor's name, the butterfly species common name, the date of record, the locality and county of record, and selected additional notes, respectively, are cited below. 1. Bob Ringler Juniper Hairstreak July 3-21, 2004 Union Bridge Carroll County, MD 2. David L. Amadio Silvery Checkerspot June 8, 2009 Eastern Neck NWR Kent County, MD Species is apparently moving south on Delmarva. 3. Clarence Sparks Northern Pearly-Eye July 22, 2000 Patuxent Research Refuge-North Tract Anne Arundel County, MD 4. Rick Cheicante Checkered White July 31, 2009 Sassafras Natural Resources Management Area Kent County, MD 5. David L. Amadio Great Purple (Blue) Hairstreak August 15, 2009 Chesapeake Farms Agricultural and Wildlife Management Demonstration Area, Chestertown Kent County, MD Nectaring on Devil's Walkingstick (Aralia spinosa). 6. Bill Hubick (also John Hubbell and Ron Gutberlet) Checkered White September 7, 2009 Ridgely Wastewater Treatment Plant, Ridgely Caroline County, MD 7. Bill Hubick and Tom Field Ocola Skipper September 13, 2009 Irish Grove Sanctuary Somerset County, MD 8. Bill Hubick and Tom Field Common Checkered-Skipper September 13, 2009 Vessey Orchard off Rehobeth Road Somerset County, MD 9. Rick Cheicante Common Checkered-Skipper August 9, 2009 Bombay Hook NWR Kent County, DE 10. David L. Amadio Dion Skipper August 1, 2009 south side of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal near Reedy Point New Castle County, DE 11. Jim White Milbert's Tortoiseshell September 28, 2009 Burrows Run Preserve, Hockessin New Castle County, DE Actually, this is not a county record, but it is the second record of this species in New Castle County and in Delaware. 12. Allan Loudell Giant Swallowtail September 8, 2008 Historic District, New Castle New Castle County, DE This is also a DELAWARE STATE RECORD. 13. Harry Pavulaan Cherry Gall Azure May 4, early 1990's Near Swallow Falls Garrett County, MD 14. David Wright Northern Azure late April, mid 2000's Town Hill Allegany County, MD 15. Austin Hobart Clark (1880-1954) (butterfly author and former Curator of Echinoderms at the Smithsonian) Confused Cloudywing "from along the [C&O] canal in Maryland" [thus, Montgomery County, MD] in Proceedings of the Entomological Society of Washington, Vol. 36, Nos. 8,9, Nov.-Dec., 1934, p. 263 and "rather common at Difficult Run [Great Falls, Fairfax Co., VA] from June 16 to July 7 [1935]" in Proceedings of the Entomological Society of Washington, Vol. 37, No. 8, Nov., 1935, p. 169. There have been no substantiated records of this species from these locations since this time, so the species is presumed to have been extirpated from this area long ago. We are indebted to each of the contributors for these records. The first fourteen records have recently been added to the respective MD and DE county and state listings published on the new Washington Area Butterfly Club website at http://leplog.wordpress.com/washington-area-butterfly-club/local-and-regional-lists-and-info/ The fifteenth record above will be added shortly. They will also soon be added to the MD and DE sections of the Butterflies and Moths of North America (BAMONA) atlas and biological information website at http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/ . Dick Smith Columbia, MD Butterfly Records Coordinator for BAMONA for MD, DE, and DC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Announcing new Washington Area Butterfly Club website From: "Smith, Richard H." <Richard.Smith AT jhuapl.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:22:19 -0500 We have a new Washington Area Butterfly Club website! - at http://leplog.wordpress.com/washington-area-butterfly-club/ Bring it up! Check it out! Many thanks go to Rick Borchelt, the new webmaster, for his computer expertise and many hours of effort to bring up this new and concise version of the club website. Many of the old categories, and a few new ones, are out there under the headings: o Butterfly Checklists o Field Guides Online o Maryland Butterfly Big Year 2010 o Other Resources o Washington Area Butterfly Club § About WABC § Events and Meetings § Field Trips and Trip Reports § Gardening for Butterflies § Join WABC § Local and Regional Lists and Info The tremendously helpful and informative section on butterfly gardening in the DC area by Barbara and Laura Farron is back under the above heading "Gardening for Butterflies." My own state, county, and city butterfly lists for MD, DE, and DC are available again under the heading "Local and Regional Lists and Info," and they now include new 2009 records (to be announced in detail in an upcoming listserv post). The chart, "Butterflies of Maryland: A Biological Summary and Checklist" has been updated also with new Maryland Azure species and additional flight time and host plant information. Please let Rick know (see the reply options available on the webpage) if you have additional ideas of things you might want to provide or see on the website. Rick points out that the new site is hosted through WordPress, which offers a very easy user interface both for users and for adding new material, but it does somewhat limit the kinds of files and interactivity he can set up. Washbutterflies, the listserv that is managed by the Washington Area Butterfly Club, is still hosted through Yahoo. Please visit http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/washbutterflies/ to join; or e-mail me, the listserv moderator, at Richard.Smith AT jhuapl.edu for more information. Dick Smith Columbia, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:22:54 -0500 Copy and put it into Google, it will give you the common name/latin name and any info you need. Also a great place to do research: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=gmail&rls=gm&q=Atteva+punctella%2C+%2Bresearch&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq = "Atteva punctella, +research" On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, June Tveekrem < damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> wrote: > > > Yes, I recall that discussion. The exception, of course, would be for > insects that don't have a common name. > > June > > -- > June Tveekrem > Columbia, Maryland, U.S. > damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com > http://SouthernSpreadwing.com > > On 3/3/2010 3:34 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: > > Consensus was reached on a list serve that it is best to have both the > common name and the scientific name each at least once in an article. > > > -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:51:42 -0500 Yes, I recall that discussion. The exception, of course, would be for insects that don't have a common name. June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com On 3/3/2010 3:34 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: Consensus was reached on a list serve that it is best to have both the common name and the scientific name each at least once in an article. Subject: RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:34:21 -0500 Concensus was reached on a list serve that it is best to have both the common name and the scientific name each at least once in an article. Original Message: ----------------- From: Frank Boyle ravenfrank AT earthlink.net Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:11:50 -0500 To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Atteva pustulella [=punctella] For all of us non-entomologists (but enthusiastic naturalists) could you please include the common names? I had no idea what you guys were referring to, other than the Alianthus tree species name. Thanks Franklinius Boyletcatimus Roherersville, MD ravenfrank AT earthlink.net From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of porchtwo Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Atteva pustulella [=punctella] The adult flight period in Maryland (incompletely know) is July-October. I have had it as late as October 10 in Bowie. Fairly good distribution data is mapped at BugGuide: http://bugguide.net/node/view/430/data Discussion of the correct taxonomic assignment and some details of biology may be found on Terry Harrison's fine website: http://www.microleps.org/Guide/Yponomeutidae/index.html Bob Patterson Moth Photographers Group --- In VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com , "ialm AT ..." wrote: > > Any references we can refer Tom Gardner to? Thanks. > > Marc > > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:22 PM > To: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > Yes if you would. There is a lot known, but still a lot of gaps in > the literature. > > > > > Tom > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Marc Imlay wrote: > > > From: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > To: "Richard Gardner" , "Marc Imlay" > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:00 PM > > Hi Tom, > > > > Should I send a request for references to the local bugs list serve? Best > > > > Marc > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:42 PM > To: Marc Imlay; Marc Imlay > Subject: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > I'm at Millersville University beginning to study Ailanthus altissima > again while getting my teaching credentials. The person I am working > with wants me to work on gender-selective herbivory. Do you know of > anyone else working on this that I can ask questions of? > > > > I'm also trying to find life history information on Atteva punctella. > Most importantly right now I am trying to remember when it first appears > and when it lays eggs. If I am right, the first appearance in in June > when the plant starts putting out leaes and the egg laying is an ongoing > process with the first eggs laid in the flowers and the last eggs laid > in the late summer. Is this right? > > > > The literature on Atteva punctella appears to very thin. Do you have > suggested references? I have the Audubon Field Guide and "Insects, > Their Natural History and Diversity", but neither has any depth. > > > > > Tom Gardner > > > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - MicrosoftR Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Subject: RE: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: Frank Boyle <ravenfrank AT earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:11:50 -0500 For all of us non-entomologists (but enthusiastic naturalists) could you please include the common names? I had no idea what you guys were referring to, other than the Alianthus tree species name. Thanks Franklinius Boyletcatimus Roherersville, MD ravenfrank AT earthlink.net From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of porchtwo Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Atteva pustulella [=punctella] The adult flight period in Maryland (incompletely know) is July-October. I have had it as late as October 10 in Bowie. Fairly good distribution data is mapped at BugGuide: http://bugguide.net/node/view/430/data Discussion of the correct taxonomic assignment and some details of biology may be found on Terry Harrison's fine website: http://www.microleps.org/Guide/Yponomeutidae/index.html Bob Patterson Moth Photographers Group --- In VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com , "ialm AT ..." wrote: > > Any references we can refer Tom Gardner to? Thanks. > > Marc > > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:22 PM > To: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > Yes if you would. There is a lot known, but still a lot of gaps in > the literature. > > > > > Tom > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Marc Imlay wrote: > > > From: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > To: "Richard Gardner" , "Marc Imlay" > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:00 PM > > Hi Tom, > > > > Should I send a request for references to the local bugs list serve? Best > > > > Marc > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:42 PM > To: Marc Imlay; Marc Imlay > Subject: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > I'm at Millersville University beginning to study Ailanthus altissima > again while getting my teaching credentials. The person I am working > with wants me to work on gender-selective herbivory. Do you know of > anyone else working on this that I can ask questions of? > > > > I'm also trying to find life history information on Atteva punctella. > Most importantly right now I am trying to remember when it first appears > and when it lays eggs. If I am right, the first appearance in in June > when the plant starts putting out leaes and the egg laying is an ongoing > process with the first eggs laid in the flowers and the last eggs laid > in the late summer. Is this right? > > > > The literature on Atteva punctella appears to very thin. Do you have > suggested references? I have the Audubon Field Guide and "Insects, > Their Natural History and Diversity", but neither has any depth. > > > > > Tom Gardner > > > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - MicrosoftR Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Atteva pustulella [=punctella] From: "porchtwo" <BPatter789 AT aol.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:30:41 -0000 The adult flight period in Maryland (incompletely know) is July-October. I have had it as late as October 10 in Bowie. Fairly good distribution data is mapped at BugGuide: http://bugguide.net/node/view/430/data Discussion of the correct taxonomic assignment and some details of biology may be found on Terry Harrison's fine website: http://www.microleps.org/Guide/Yponomeutidae/index.html Bob Patterson Moth Photographers Group --- In VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com, "ialm AT ..." wrote: > > Any references we can refer Tom Gardner to? Thanks. > > Marc > > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:22 PM > To: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > Yes if you would. There is a lot known, but still a lot of gaps in > the literature. > > > > > Tom > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Marc Imlay wrote: > > > From: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > To: "Richard Gardner" , "Marc Imlay" > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:00 PM > > Hi Tom, > > > > Should I send a request for references to the local bugs list serve? Best > > > > Marc > > > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT ...] > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:42 PM > To: Marc Imlay; Marc Imlay > Subject: Atteva punctella > > > > Marc, > > > > I'm at Millersville University beginning to study Ailanthus altissima > again while getting my teaching credentials. The person I am working > with wants me to work on gender-selective herbivory. Do you know of > anyone else working on this that I can ask questions of? > > > > I'm also trying to find life history information on Atteva punctella. > Most importantly right now I am trying to remember when it first appears > and when it lays eggs. If I am right, the first appearance in in June > when the plant starts putting out leaes and the egg laying is an ongoing > process with the first eggs laid in the flowers and the last eggs laid > in the late summer. Is this right? > > > > The literature on Atteva punctella appears to very thin. Do you have > suggested references? I have the Audubon Field Guide and "Insects, > Their Natural History and Diversity", but neither has any depth. > > > > > Tom Gardner > > > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > Subject: Re: FW: Atteva punctella From: Rick Borchelt <rborchelt AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:44:18 -0500 Paul Opler et al studied this insect's life history back in the late 70's: Why are Pistillate Inflorescences of Simarouba glauca Eaten Less than Staminate Inflorescences? K. S. Bawa and Paul A. Opler Evolution, Vol. 32, No. 3 (Sep., 1978), pp. 673-676 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:27 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: > > > Any references we can refer Tom Gardner to? Thanks. > > Marc > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:22 PM > To: Marc Imlay > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > > Marc, > > Yes if you would. There is a lot known, but still a lot of gaps in > the literature. > > Tom > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Marc Imlay > > wrote: > > > From: Marc Imlay > > Subject: RE: Atteva punctella > To: "Richard Gardner" >, > "Marc Imlay" > > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:00 PM > > Hi Tom, > > > > Should I send a request for references to the local bugs list serve? Best > > Marc > > From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:42 PM > To: Marc Imlay; Marc Imlay > Subject: Atteva punctella > > Marc, > > I'm at Millersville University beginning to study Ailanthus altissima > again while getting my teaching credentials. The person I am working > with wants me to work on gender-selective herbivory. Do you know of > anyone else working on this that I can ask questions of? > > I'm also trying to find life history information on Atteva punctella. > Most importantly right now I am trying to remember when it first appears > and when it lays eggs. If I am right, the first appearance in in June > when the plant starts putting out leaes and the egg laying is an ongoing > process with the first eggs laid in the flowers and the last eggs laid > in the late summer. Is this right? > > The literature on Atteva punctella appears to very thin. Do you have > suggested references? I have the Audubon Field Guide and "Insects, > Their Natural History and Diversity", but neither has any depth. > > Tom Gardner > > Richard Gardner > 410.726.3045 (cell) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange > > > -- Rick Borchelt Director of Research Communication USDA Office of the Chief Scientist preferred personal email: rickb |AT| nasw |DOT| org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: FW: Atteva punctella From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:27:11 -0500 Any references we can refer Tom Gardner to? Thanks. Marc From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:22 PM To: Marc Imlay Subject: RE: Atteva punctella Marc, Yes if you would. There is a lot known, but still a lot of gaps in the literature. Tom Richard Gardner 410.726.3045 (cell) --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Marc Imlay wrote: From: Marc Imlay Subject: RE: Atteva punctella To: "Richard Gardner" , "Marc Imlay" Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:00 PM Hi Tom, Should I send a request for references to the local bugs list serve? Best Marc From: Richard Gardner [mailto:rtgardner3 AT yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:42 PM To: Marc Imlay; Marc Imlay Subject: Atteva punctella Marc, I'm at Millersville University beginning to study Ailanthus altissima again while getting my teaching credentials. The person I am working with wants me to work on gender-selective herbivory. Do you know of anyone else working on this that I can ask questions of? I'm also trying to find life history information on Atteva punctella. Most importantly right now I am trying to remember when it first appears and when it lays eggs. If I am right, the first appearance in in June when the plant starts putting out leaes and the egg laying is an ongoing process with the first eggs laid in the flowers and the last eggs laid in the late summer. Is this right? The literature on Atteva punctella appears to very thin. Do you have suggested references? I have the Audubon Field Guide and "Insects, Their Natural History and Diversity", but neither has any depth. Tom Gardner Richard Gardner 410.726.3045 (cell) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Subject: RE: [washbutterflies] A Stinky Situation, last words... From: "Frank Boyle" <ravenfrank AT earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:05:39 -0500 Well, our only recourse is to vacuum them up. I think I am now immune to the smell. Fortunately, we have other native "bugs" outside that seem to like munching on these guys - wheel bugs will eat them and any other insect they come across (unfortunately this includes adult leps). I await the trap being developed in Beltsville with hope. From: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mona Miller Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:00 AM To: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [washbutterflies] A Stinky Situation Don't throw them outside. Don't waste water flushing one at a time. Double tissues and squish. They do stink. Do not put them back outside. They will try to return. They are predators of many of the plants that native wildlife need. I've been reading that they leave their scent so that others will know where to go the next year. I've also been reading that if you vacuum them that your vacuum cleaner will stink. I have a female in a cup (with a magnifier) that I have been studying. I'm thinking about how many eggs she can lay and what destruction her offspring will do when warmer weather comes. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Sue Hamilton > wrote: My grandchildren live in a stink-bug infested old farm house in Washington County. My granddaughter will not go to sleep until her entire room has been carefully searched for these obnoxious insects. What a good-night ritual! > > sue hamilton, calvert county > -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: A few bugs! From: "paul" <pbedell AT comcast.net> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:13:04 -0000 No surprise, but I saw a Question Mark butterfly at Pocahontas SP, Chesterfield Co, VA today. Also the robberfly Nicocles pictus. Either this fly emerges at the first hint of warmth, or they overwinter as adults. Paul Bedell Richmond Subject: It's a Bug's World, Entomological Society of America's program for the family, Annapolis, 3/7/10 From: "Kuehn Faith (DDA)" <Faith.Kuehn AT state.de.us> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:55:07 -0500 [cid:image002.jpg AT 01CAB0B2.BD827070] February 9, 2010 INSECTS INVADE ANNAPOLIS! BUTTERFLIES, BEDBUGS, THE TANK OF DOOM, AND VINCENT VAN ROACH. MARCH 7, 2010 1:00 - 5:00 pm. It's a Bug's World AT THE SHERATON ANNAPOLIS Annapolis, MD - Thousands of insects and a swarm of entomologists will converge on Annapolis for the 81st Annual Meeting of the Entomological Society of America, Eastern Branch. The meeting will include a free public program for kids and parents, "It's a Bug's World". This event will be held on Sunday, March 7 from 1:00-5:00PM at the Sheraton Annapolis. "Bug's World" will feature demonstrations and interactive displays, including: * live insects and tarantulas, including examples of Maryland's finest six-legged wildlife, * demonstrations on the proper procedure for pinning various kinds of insects, * examples of jewelry made by insects, * chances for kids to draw insects with a professional Nature illustrator, * Vincent van "Roach", a Madagascar hissing cockroach who paints with his legs, * Gizmo, the bedbug detecting dog, and * Build-a-Bug and Bug Bots. The Entomological Society's scientific meeting sessions will be held March 7-9, 2010, at the Sheraton hotel in Annapolis. The three-day meeting will draw entomologists from northeastern and mid-Atlantic states and several Canadian provinces who will attend symposia on identifying and managing pest and invasive species, pollinator health and biodiversity, biological control, and several other topics. In addition, there are submitted paper and poster presentations, and student competitions. The Entomological Society of America (ESA) is the largest organization in the world dedicated to the science, magic, and mystery of the world's most abundant life form - insects. With more than 5700 active members, the ESA helps to promote understanding of insects and solve world problems associated with them, including world hunger, disease prevention, and urban pest control. ESA is a 501c(3) not-for-profit membership society headquartered in Lanham, MD. www.entsoc.org. For more information about "It's a Bug's World" contact the Program organizer, Faith Kuehn, Delaware Department of Agriculture at (302) 698-4587 or Faith.Kuehn AT state.de.us. The Sheraton Annapolis Hotel is located at 173 Jennifer Road, Annapolis, MD 21401, (410)-266-3131. Faith B. Kuehn, Ph.D. Plant Industries Administrator Delaware Department of Agriculture 2320 S. Dupont Highway Dover, DE 19901 302-698-4587 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: A Stinky Situation From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:43:05 -0500 Apparently, it attacks many of our butterfly plants. http://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/veg/bean/brown_marmorated_stink_bug.htm common name: brown marmorated stink bug scientific name: Halyomorpha halys Stål (Insecta: Hemiptera: Pentatomidae) http://www.invasive.org/species/subject.cfm?sub=9328 I captured one of the many, many we have found in our house. We are going to have to secure a skylight as soon as the snow melts off the roof. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090801194319.htm Trap Would Help Keep Stink Bugs Outdoors http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jul09/bug0709.htm Combating the Brown Marmorated Stink Bug A New Threat for Agriculture, a Nuisance for Homeowners On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Harry Pavulaan wrote: We've gotten used to our annual winter infestation here in Leesburg, VA. and we just accept their presence in our house over the winter. We usually find one every time we actually search for them, which means there are probably a few hundred up in the attic or inside the wall spaces. They leave in spring. Not that they have free roam, I usually bring them outside when I find them but I don't go out of my way to move them. We've got one that's been hibernating in the corner of our living room ceiling for about 2 months now and we kid about when it will realize it's spring. During the warm season, there's always a few dozen hanging around on the outside of the house. > > Harry Pavulaan > > > A Stinky Situation > > Posted by: "Frank Boyle" ravenfrank AT earthlink.net ravenfrank > > Date: Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:41 am ((PST)) > > > > An observation: advice geared towards the general population from > > entomologists is often very helpful. Not so much for the Asian stink bug > > infestations currently sweeping over most of Washington County, MD. ."Keep > > them out and suck them up with a vacuum.." Huh? Once these guys infest a > > house that advice is total nonsense. Couldn't there be a trap developed > > that would attract the stinkers by the several thousands (by the way, my > > house currently entertains about that many) for easy, er, disposal? > > Now, I love True Bugs just as much as the next guy, but the last straw was > > cooking up a couple of them, unaware, in my coffee maker. Mmmm-mmm good! > > Frank Boyle > >> > Stinkbugtown, MD > >> > ravenfrank AT earthlink.net -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." Subject: Snow.... Plus a Butterfly Talk From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:51:26 -0500 We've had over 3 ft. of snow here in the DC area. Today part of my back porch crashed on top of my over-wintering butterfly pupae cages (way too much snow). I rescued most of them. On February 25, I have volunteered to give a talk to the Washington Area Butterfly Club on Butterfly Conservation. If you are in the area, you are welcome to attend (non-members welcome). I will include in this talk how I raise Monarchs and other native butterflies and moths: Thursday, Feb. 25, 7:30 PM Topic: Butterfly Gardening for Conservation Speaker: Mona Miller This meeting is free and open to the public. Long Branch Nature Center 625 South Carlin Springs Road Arlington, Virginia Longtime WABC member Mona Miller has been raising butterflies and moths for conservation and creating habitat for them for 17 years. Mona will share details on how she gardens and raises butterflies and moths at home, plus her conservation project over the past 6 years at Meadowlark Botanical Gardens. Currently, she is working on a Natural History certification from the USDA/Audubon Naturalist Society to further her study of nature. Directions from I-395: Take the SEMINARY RD exit- EXIT 4. Turn onto SEMINARY RD going northwest. Turn RIGHT onto CARLIN SPRINGS RD / VA-716. Long Branch Nature Center is about 0.8 miles on the right behind a doctors' office building near a hospital. The Long Branch sign (which may ber unlit on at least one side) and driveway are just before the office building. Follow the long driveway past the offices' parking garage, through the woods, to the Nature Center parking lot. Walk up the incline to the Nature Center. ADC Northern Virginia Map 16, G-8. Directions from Washington Beltway (I-495): Drive EAST on ROUTE 50 about 5 miles. Turn right (SOUTH) onto CARLIN SPRINGS ROAD. The Nature Center is about 1/3 mile on the left behind a doctor's office building; the sign and driveway are just beyond the building (just before the building for those driving NORTH from COLUMBIA PIKE). Drive past the office building and down the wooded driveway to the Nature Center parking lot. -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Bee Specimen Drying Video Now Available From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:04:58 -0500 All: We have just uploaded the companion video to the Bee Washing Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2y-ind12Cc). This new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935jlJep6go ...demonstrates how to dry bees that have been washed....and yes, you do need to wash them before you dry them or they will be covered with pollen, scales, gunky film, and the hair will stay matted. And who really wants to look at bees with bad hair? Next, we will likely put out a video on pinning bees. That might be a couple of weeks as we will be at meetings and wrestling with software programs next week. Feel free to distribute this video and if you want to host it on your site we will be glad to give you access to the original video. sam Sam Droege sdroege AT usgs.gov w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624 USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705 Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov In the desert In the desert I saw a creature, naked, bestial, Who, squatting upon the ground, Held his heart in his hands, And ate of it. I said: "Is it good, friend?" "It is bitter-bitter," he answered; "But I like it Because it is bitter, And because it is my heart." -- Stephen Crane P Bees are not optional. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Robberfly photo From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:54:47 -0500 To Paul, Mona, Lance, Kevin, and others who responded to my query, Thank you. It is nice to have some insect things to think about while the snow is falling. Regards, Hal White Newark, DE Paul Bedell wrote: > > > Hal, > > Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the > black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is > also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. > Subject: Re: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:07:45 -0500 Some people get digest so they won't always know what has been written. I collected many dead European Hornets for the study that was being done last summer.  I saw them actually attacking and eating European wasp. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:48 AM, lance biechele wrote: > Kevin, Mona Miller had already ID'd the hornet correctly and her > determination should be annotated. > This is one vicious "bug" that has attacked me several times while > I was mothing.  Glad to see that it does have a natural enemy. > All Best Wishes, > Lance > > ________________________________ > From: "Kirchner, Kevin (Civ,ARL/SEDD)" >> To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 9:47:49 AM > Subject: RE: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE >> Hal > Your Vespid is a European Hornet. I'm somewhat amazed by this - they've > always seemed rather aggressive when I've watched them in the field. > Kevin -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." Subject: Re: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:48:48 -0800 (PST) Kevin, Mona Miller had already ID'd the hornet correctly and her determination should be annotated. This is one vicious "bug" that has attacked me several times while I was mothing.  Glad to see that it does have a natural enemy. All Best Wishes, Lance ________________________________ From: "Kirchner, Kevin (Civ,ARL/SEDD)" To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 9:47:49 AM Subject: RE: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED)   Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Hal Your Vespid is a European Hornet. I'm somewhat amazed by this - they've always seemed rather aggressive when I've watched them in the field. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups. com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Paul Bedell Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:31 PM To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Robberfly photo Hal, Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. Paul Bedell ----- Original Message ----- From: pachydiplax To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Please - Trying again Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: Robberfly photo (UNCLASSIFIED) From: "Kirchner, Kevin (Civ,ARL/SEDD)" <kevin.kirchner AT us.army.mil> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:47:49 -0500 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Hal Your Vespid is a European Hornet. I'm somewhat amazed by this - they've always seemed rather aggressive when I've watched them in the field. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bedell Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:31 PM To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Robberfly photo Hal, Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. Paul Bedell ----- Original Message ----- From: pachydiplax To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Please - Trying again Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Subject: Re: Robberfly photo From: "Paul Bedell" <pbedell AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:46:13 -0500 As far as I know Promachus (as with most asilids) is opportunistic; they will just snatch anything that flies by. Glad to see them knocking down those European Hornets! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal White" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Robberfly photo > Paul, > > Thank you. I was looking on the web today and found a photo almost > identical to mine taken two years earlier in North Carolina. > > Does P. rufipes specialize in hornets? Hal > > Paul Bedell wrote: > > > > > > Hal, > > > > Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the > > black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is > > also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. > > > > Paul Bedell ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Robberfly photo From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:32:19 -0500 The hornet is a European Hornet. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Hal White wrote: > > Paul, > > Thank you. I was looking on the web today and found a photo almost > identical to mine taken two years earlier in North Carolina. > > Does P. rufipes specialize in hornets? Hal > > Paul Bedell wrote: > > > > > > Hal, > > > > Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the > > black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is > > also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. > > > > Paul Bedell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pachydiplax > > To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:08 PM > > Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Please - Trying again > > > > Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern > > Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a > > large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species > > names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo > > file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White > > -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." Subject: Re: Robberfly photo From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:50 -0500 Paul, Thank you. I was looking on the web today and found a photo almost identical to mine taken two years earlier in North Carolina. Does P. rufipes specialize in hornets? Hal Paul Bedell wrote: > > > Hal, > > Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the > black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is > also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. > > Paul Bedell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pachydiplax > To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:08 PM > Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Please - Trying again > > Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern > Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a > large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species > names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo > file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: Robberfly photo From: "Paul Bedell" <pbedell AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:31:03 -0500 Hal, Your robberfly appears to be a female Promachus rufipes. They have the black femora that contrast with the yellowish tibiae. The species is also large, aggressive, and fairly widespread and common in August. Paul Bedell ----- Original Message ----- From: pachydiplax To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Please - Trying again Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Identification Please - Trying again From: "pachydiplax" <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:08:54 -0000 Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species names for the combatants. This time I have posted the photo to a Yahoo file under my name. Hope this works. Hal White Subject: Re: RE: A Stinky Situation (2nd try) From: Mona Miller <runmede AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:39:54 -0500 I'm getting the brown stink bug in my house. I think the species is *Euschistus servus*: http://www.uky.edu/Ag/CritterFiles/casefile/insects/bugs/stinkbugs/stinkbugs.htm#brown Some members of this family prey on other insects. -- Mona Miller Herndon, VA (USA) }i{ }i{ }i{ "Man should be good stewards of nature." On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Harry Pavulaan wrote: We've gotten used to our annual winter infestation here in Leesburg, VA. and we just accept their presence in our house over the winter. We usually find one every time we actually search for them, which means there are probably a few hundred up in the attic or inside the wall spaces. They leave in spring. Not that they have free roam, I usually bring them outside when I find them but I don't go out of my way to move them. We've got one that's been hibernating in the corner of our living room ceiling for about 2 months now and we kid about when it will realize it's spring. During the warm season, there's always a few dozen hanging around on the outside of the house. Harry Pavulaan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Identification please From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:37:40 -0500 Greetings, In late August 2008 at Lums Pond State Park in northern Delaware, I took the attached photo of an asilid getting the better of a large vespid. I'm sure some people on this listserv can provide species names for the combatants. Hal White [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: A Stinky Situation (2nd try) From: Harry Pavulaan <harrypav AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:51:31 +0000 We've gotten used to our annual winter infestation here in Leesburg, VA. and we just accept their presence in our house over the winter. We usually find one every time we actually search for them, which means there are probably a few hundred up in the attic or inside the wall spaces. They leave in spring. Not that they have free roam, I usually bring them outside when I find them but I don't go out of my way to move them. We've got one that's been hibernating in the corner of our living room ceiling for about 2 months now and we kid about when it will realize it's spring. During the warm season, there's always a few dozen hanging around on the outside of the house. Harry Pavulaan > A Stinky Situation > Posted by: "Frank Boyle" ravenfrank AT earthlink.net ravenfrank > Date: Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:41 am ((PST)) > > An observation: advice geared towards the general population from > entomologists is often very helpful. Not so much for the Asian stink bug > infestations currently sweeping over most of Washington County, MD. ."Keep > them out and suck them up with a vacuum.." Huh? Once these guys infest a > house that advice is total nonsense. Couldn't there be a trap developed > that would attract the stinkers by the several thousands (by the way, my > house currently entertains about that many) for easy, er, disposal? > > > > Now, I love True Bugs just as much as the next guy, but the last straw was > cooking up a couple of them, unaware, in my coffee maker. Mmmm-mmm good! > > > > > > Frank Boyle > > Stinkbugtown, MD > > ravenfrank AT earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > Did they tell you, you should grow up when you wanted to dream > Did they warn you, better shape up if you want to succeed > I don't know about you, who are they talking to? > They aren't talking to me - Metric, "Twighlight Galaxy" > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (1) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: New Bee Washing Video now out From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:28:48 -0500 Hi Folks: We now have a new video out on how to wash bees that have been caught in water or stored in alcohol (or glycol) prior to drying them. The objective being good looking specimens with popped wings and nice looking hair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2y-ind12Cc We have upgraded our Video production abilities and now have a microphone (borrowed) and are using the free Audacity software program for mixing sound (lots of fun). Our next video will be on drying bees and you can see the past videos on catching bees with nets, and a 2 part series on using bee bowls to survey bees at: http://www.youtube.com/swdroege sam Sam Droege sdroege AT usgs.gov w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624 USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705 Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov What would the world be, once bereft Of wet and wildness? Let them be left, O let them be left, wildness and wet; Long live the weeds and the wilderness yet. - Gerard Manley Hopkins "Inversnaid" P Bees are not optional. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: A Stinky Situation From: "Frank Boyle" <ravenfrank AT earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:40:33 -0500 An observation: advice geared towards the general population from entomologists is often very helpful. Not so much for the Asian stink bug infestations currently sweeping over most of Washington County, MD. ."Keep them out and suck them up with a vacuum.." Huh? Once these guys infest a house that advice is total nonsense. Couldn't there be a trap developed that would attract the stinkers by the several thousands (by the way, my house currently entertains about that many) for easy, er, disposal? Now, I love True Bugs just as much as the next guy, but the last straw was cooking up a couple of them, unaware, in my coffee maker. Mmmm-mmm good! Frank Boyle Stinkbugtown, MD ravenfrank AT earthlink.net Did they tell you, you should grow up when you wanted to dream Did they warn you, better shape up if you want to succeed I don't know about you, who are they talking to? They aren't talking to me - Metric, "Twighlight Galaxy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Bug of the Week - Scorpionflies From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:27:36 -0500 Bug of the Week has a short article about scorpionflies this week. (OK, full disclosure - I contributed a photo to it.) Generally, I like browsing through the Bug of the Week archives - they are written for the general public, are only one page long, contain at least one photo, and give interesting info about all different kinds of insects. http://www.bugoftheweek.com/ June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com Subject: FW: [washbutterflies] Tripling Citizen Success in Stopping Bad Development, Feb. 7, 2pm From: "Smith, Richard H." <Richard.Smith AT jhuapl.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:16:21 -0500 From: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of entr0pys Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 5:16 PM To: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [washbutterflies] Tripling Citizen Success in Stopping Bad Development, Feb. 7, 2pm How does a home or property owner fight an over zealous developer who intends on eliminating wetlands, scenic creeks, and other native plant and wildlife habitats; create stormwater runoff and pollution; and build high-density housing developments, shopping centers, and impervious surfaces? Richard Klein, president and founder of the Community & Environmental Defense Services (CEDS), describes a new approach known as politically oriented advocacy that triples the rate at which citizens win land use and environmental battles. Politically oriented advocacy and other approaches are allowing CEDS clients to win an astounding 90% of their cases! Rockville Library, 21 Maryland Ave., Rockville. Free. 2pm-3:30pm. More information, directions, and parking at http://maryland.sierraclub.org/montgomery/calendar.html Our first two talks nearly filled room capacity so please RSVP soon at steven.lonker AT maryland.sierraclub.org or phone 301-351-6985. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Data on Butterfly Declines. From: RestoreHabitat AT aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:01:43 EST Some interesting research on Butterfly declines in the US: _http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100111171859.htm_ (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100111171859.htm) ScienceDaily (Jan. 12, 2010) — California butterflies are reeling from a one-two punch of climate change and land development, says an unprecedented analysis led by UC Davis butterfly expert Arthur Shapiro. The new analysis, scheduled to be published online the week of January 10 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, gives insights on how a major and much-studied group of organisms is reacting to the Earth's warming climate. "Butterflies are not only charismatic to the public, but also widely used as indicators of the health of the environment worldwide," said Shapiro, a professor of evolution and ecology. "We found many lowland species are being hit hard by the combination of warmer temperatures and habitat loss." The results are drawn from Shapiro's 35-year database of butterfly observations made twice monthly at 10 sites in north-central California from sea level to tree line. The Shapiro butterfly database is unique in science for its combination of attributes: one observer (which reduces errors), very long-term, multiple sites surveyed often, a large number of species (more than 150), and attendant climatological data. Shapiro's co-authors include three other UC Davis researchers and two former Shapiro graduate students, including lead analyst Matthew Forister, now an assistant professor of biology at the University of Nevada, Reno. Their most significant findings: Butterfly diversity (the number of different species present) is falling fast at all the sites near sea level. It is declining more slowly or holding roughly constant in the mountains, except at tree line. At tree line, butterfly diversity is actually going up, as lower-elevation species react to the warming climate by moving upslope to higher, cooler elevations. Diversity among high-elevation butterflies is beginning to fall as temperatures become uncomfortably warm for them and, Shapiro says, "There is nowhere to go except heaven." Using a battery of statistical approaches, Shapiro and his colleagues concluded that climate change alone cannot account in full for the deteriorating low-elevation numbers. Land-use data show that the butterfly losses have been greatest where habitat has been converted from rural to urban and suburban types. He added that one of the most surprising findings was that ruderal ("weedy") butterfly species that breed on "weedy" plants in disturbed habitats and are highly mobile are actually declining faster than "non-weedy" species -- those that specialize in one habitat type. This is especially true in the mountains, where such species do not persist over winter but must recolonize every year from lower altitudes. As their numbers drop in the valleys, fewer are available to disperse uphill, and the rate of colonization drops. "Butterfly folks generally consider these ruderal species to be 'junk species,' sort of the way bird watchers think of pigeons and starlings," said Shapiro. "So it came as a shock to discover that they were being hit even harder than the species that conservationists are used to thinking about. "Some of the 'weedy' species have been touted as great success stories, in which native butterflies had successfully adapted to the changed conditions created by European colonization of California. That was the case for many decades, but habitat loss has apparently caught up with them now." The study was funded by the National Science Foundation. Additional authors are: at UC Davis, research scientist James Thorne in the Department of Environmental Science and Policy, and graduate students Joshua O'Brien in the Graduate Group in Ecology and David Waetjen in the Geography Graduate Group; at Denison University in Ohio, assistant professor Andrew McCall; and at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, assistant professor Nathan Sanders and associate professor James Fordyce (another former Shapiro student). The Shapiro database is online at _http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu_ (http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/) . It includes butterfly observations and study site maps, together with climate data from nearby weather stations, descriptions of study sites and habitats, and numerous photos. The 10 survey sites lie along Interstate 80 and range from low-lying Suisun Marsh on San Francisco Bay to 9,103-foot-high Castle Peak near Donner Summit. The database was made public in 2007, also with funding from the National Science Foundation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:14:21 -0500 Hi Sally, Apparently the attachment did not go to the list serve. Marc Original Message: ----------------- From: sally o'byrne Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:47:01 -0500 To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc Was this supposed to go to the entire group? I don't remember getting the original that you are referring to. sally o'byrne On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:29 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: > > > I added John Carroll's recommendation below as well as his > revisions. Marc > > Hi Marc, > > The fact sheet is quite comprehensive. I made some revisions, mostly > on > the tick life cycle. I suggest that you add a statement that two other > tick species (lone star tick, American dog tick) that do not transmit > Lyme disease, but transmit other diseases affecting humans are > likely to > be encountered in MD. The fact sheet (in track change format) is > attached. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. > > John > > John F. Carroll > > Research Entomologist > > USDA, ARS, IIBBL > > BARC-East, Bldg. 1040 > > Beltsville, MD 20705 > > Phone: 301-504-9017 > > john.carroll AT ars.usda.gov > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:00:30 -0500 I added John Carroll's recommendation below as well as his revisions. Marc Hi Marc, The fact sheet is quite comprehensive. I made some revisions, mostly on the tick life cycle. I suggest that you add a statement that two other tick species (lone star tick, American dog tick) that do not transmit Lyme disease, but transmit other diseases affecting humans are likely to be encountered in MD. The fact sheet (in track change format) is attached. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. John John F. Carroll Research Entomologist USDA, ARS, IIBBL BARC-East, Bldg. 1040 Beltsville, MD 20705 Phone: 301-504-9017 john.carroll AT ars.usda.gov -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc From: sally o'byrne <salobyrne AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:47:01 -0500 Was this supposed to go to the entire group? I don't remember getting the original that you are referring to. sally o'byrne On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:29 PM, ialm AT erols.com wrote: > > > I added John Carroll's recommendation below as well as his > revisions. Marc > > Hi Marc, > > The fact sheet is quite comprehensive. I made some revisions, mostly > on > the tick life cycle. I suggest that you add a statement that two other > tick species (lone star tick, American dog tick) that do not transmit > Lyme disease, but transmit other diseases affecting humans are > likely to > be encountered in MD. The fact sheet (in track change format) is > attached. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. > > John > > John F. Carroll > > Research Entomologist > > USDA, ARS, IIBBL > > BARC-East, Bldg. 1040 > > Beltsville, MD 20705 > > Phone: 301-504-9017 > > john.carroll AT ars.usda.gov > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Fact Sheet for exotic invasive Borrelia burgdorferi Lyme Disease bacterium 72 (3).doc From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:29:42 -0500 I added John Carroll's recommendation below as well as his revisions. Marc Hi Marc, The fact sheet is quite comprehensive. I made some revisions, mostly on the tick life cycle. I suggest that you add a statement that two other tick species (lone star tick, American dog tick) that do not transmit Lyme disease, but transmit other diseases affecting humans are likely to be encountered in MD. The fact sheet (in track change format) is attached. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. John John F. Carroll Research Entomologist USDA, ARS, IIBBL BARC-East, Bldg. 1040 Beltsville, MD 20705 Phone: 301-504-9017 john.carroll AT ars.usda.gov -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Online Guide to the Sphecid Wasps of Eastern North America Now Available From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:00:56 -0500 All: The talented Erika Tucker from our lab has just finished up a guide to the 40 Sphecid wasps east of the Mississippi River. http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?guide=Sphecidae We borrowed heavily from the marvelous works and text of both Menke and Bohart and were able to look at specimens for all the species except for Sphex flavitarsis, which we are going to hunt down soon. As always feel free to comment, send corrections and distribute to anyone interested. Thanks sam Sam Droege sdroege AT usgs.gov w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624 USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705 Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov The Shapes of Leaves Ginkgo, cottonwood, pin oak, sweet gum, tulip tree: our emotions resemble leaves and alive to their shapes we are nourished. Have you felt the expanse and contours of grief along the edges of a big Norway maple? Have you winced at the orange flare searing the curves of a curling dogwood? I have seen from the air logged islands, each with a network of branching gravel roads, and felt a moment of pure anger, aspen gold. I have seen sandhill cranes moving in an open field, a single white whooping crane in the flock. And I have traveled along the contours of leaves that have no name. Here where the air is wet and the light is cool, I feel what others are thinking and do not speak, I know pleasure in the veins of a sugar maple, I am living at the edge of a new leaf. - Arthur Sze P Bees are not optional. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: drawn-out fall [second try] From: Harry Pavulaan <harrypav AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:40:36 +0000 All: On a lunchtime walk at the northern tip of Washington D.C. (16th Street) I observed a lone Cabbage White flying over a lawn. The gradual fall seems to have many things confused as to what season it is. Is it spring? Fall? Many flowers still in full bloom in gardens. Some vacant lots and alleyways in the area, also on the Silver Spring side, still have blooming bushy asters, wild sunflowers, even spotted knapweed at Blair Circle! Some homes still have deciduous shrubs or small trees of varying kinds that still have considerable green on them. One small forsythia is in full bloom and two ornamental cherries in the area are starting to bloom as are several other shrubs (i.e. Viburnum). A buttercup was also observed in bloom on a lawn. I attribute this to the very gradual slide toward winter this year, with no early arctic outbreaks or strong cold fronts. I'm even wondering if the area has experienced a frost (haven't seen any on arrival here at 6 am). The fresh state of goosefoot weeds in alleys, and cannas (past bloom) in peoples' yards, which are very sensitive to frost, supports that. Harry Pavulaan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: FW: [washbutterflies] late butterflies From: "Smith, Richard H." <Richard.Smith AT jhuapl.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:32:23 -0500 From: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SPEAKER Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:14 PM To: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [washbutterflies] late butterflies Saturday afternoon on Assateague Island, VA a lady - probably painted. Sunday afternoon at EA Vaughn, near Stockton, MD: 3 cloudless sulphurs -------------- Robert C. Speaker 712 12th Street NE Washington, DC 20002 202.397.7447 rcspeaker AT verizon.net --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Lynette Fullerton wrote: From: Lynette Fullerton Subject: Re: [washbutterflies] late butterflies To: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 3:49 PM I saw a Clouded Sulphur flying today - at work in Sykesville, even as I was pulling my jacket closed against the cold wind...brrr! Lynette Fullerton "The aim of life is to live, and to live means to be aware--joyously, drunkenly, serenely, divinely aware." --Henry Miller --- On Tue, 12/1/09, pavulaan AT aol. com wrote: From: pavulaan AT aol. com Subject: [washbutterflies] late butterflies To: washbutterflies AT yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 3:17 PM All: This past Sunday, Nov. 29, I drove across Loudoun County to George Thompson WMA. Weather mild and sunny. Three Cabbage Whites were observed along Route 7: one at Leesburg and two west of Purcellville. Near Markham, I observed a Cabbage White along Leeds Manor Road and an Orange Sulphur on the Dam at Lake Thompson (George Thompson WMA). Back at Sky Meadows State Park, I stopped for a brief walk at the fishing pond adjacent to Route 17 and observed a Common Buckeye along the dirt entrance drive. Nothing flying in Silver Spring today, despite the continued mild weather. Harry Pavulaan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: 2009 August Bee and Wasp Results from the Wilna Unit of Rappahannock NWR From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:44:04 -0500 All: Below are the results from a small number of bowl traps in one field on the refuge this August. Agapostemon virescens 4 Augochlorella aurata 3 Bombus pensylvanicus 1 - One of the declining species ... a good find Ceratina dupla 1 Halictus ligatus/poeyi 1 - Two aren't separable Lasioglossum atlanticum 1 Lasioglossum callidum 2 Lasioglossum tegulare 2 Melissodes comptoides 26 Nonbee 13 - Not identified wasps and flies Polistes fuscatus 2 - Paper wasp....the commonest Ptilothrix bombiformis 4 Srastra obliqua 1 Triepeolus simplex 1 - This is a new state record (along with another from someone in SW Virginia)....a nest parasite of Melissodes, uncommon and the northernmost record sam Sam Droege sdroege AT usgs.gov w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624 USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705 Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov Wanting Sumptuous Heavens No one grumbles among the oyster clans, And lobsters play their bone guitars all summer. Only we, with our opposable thumbs, want Heaven to be, and God to come, again. There is no end to our grumbling; we want Comfortable earth and sumptuous Heaven. But the heron standing on one leg in the bog Drinks his dark rum all day, and is content. - Robert Bly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: [se-odonata] Citrine Forktails From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:41:42 -0500 Hal White wrote: > Vicki, > > I saw about 20 on the same day (11/21/09) here in northern Delaware with > the temperature in the mid 50's F. That is my latest record for DE. The > habitat is a flooded sedge meadow near the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal > close to the Maryland state line. It is populated by 1000's of Ischnura > hastata in the summer. Virtually all of the ones I saw were in a small > part of the meadow at the north end that is lined by an arc of pine > trees that caught the sun and blocked the wind. Sympetrum vicinum > (Autumn Meadowhawk) was also present near the ground on south facing > slopes in the sun. > > Hal White > Newark, DE > > VLDELOACH AT aol.com wrote: > >> >>After spotting a Citrine Forktail (/Ischnura hastata/) recently I was >>able to relocate 4 on 11-21-09 at a flooded, low-lying meadow near us >>where the Blue-faced Meadowhawks were. We have not had a hard frost >>here yet. I've seen very few Citrine's this season and was surprised to >>see these. >> >>Vicki DeLoach >>Woodstock GA >> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/vickisnature/ >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Subject: RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:26:02 -0500 BTW, notice how I used the trinomial to satisfy the lumpers and keep them on board. Original Message: When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted natural habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in the 1970s I had to deal with the fact there there were a few hybrids with a common land snail species in the same genus. We decided to go with the splitter direction since no hybrids were in the museum collections and all the hybrids, and I mean all, were in artificial human created disturbed habitats. Cheers. Marc Imlay, PhD conservation biologist Anacostioa Watershed Society Original Message: Original Message: ----------------- From: ialm AT erols.com ialm AT erols.com Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:08:15 -0500 To: va-md-de-bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction Noonday snail (Mesodon clarki nantahala) Kingdom: Animalia Class: Gastropoda Order: Stylommatophora Family: Polygyridae Listing Status: Threatened Quick links:Federal RegisterRecoveryCritical HabitatConservation PlansPetitionsLife HistoryOther Resources Lead Region: Southeast Region (Region 4) Date Listed: Aug 2, 1978 States/US Territories in which the Noonday snail is known to occur: North Carolina » Federal Register Documents Most Recent Federal Register Documents (Showing 3 of 3 ) Date Citation Page Title 09/21/2007 72 FR 54057 54059 5-Year Review of 16 Southeastern Species 07/03/1978 43 FR 28932 28935 Final Determination that Seven Eastern U.S. Land Snails are Endangered or Threatened Species 04/28/1976 41 FR 17742 17747 Proposed Endangered or Threatened Status for 32 U.S. Snails [Proposed 15 as E/17 T]; 41 FR 17742 17747 (Amargosa snail, Fontellicella micrococcus; Ash Meadows turban snail, Fluminicola erythropoma; bad water snail, Assiminea infirma; banded dune snail, Helminthoglypta walkeriana; California Northern River snail, Monadenia setosa; Cheatum's snail, Tryonia cheatumi; Chittenango ovate amber snail, Succinea ovalis chittenangoensis; Clark's Nantahala middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon clarki nantahala; dented peninsula snail, Helminthoglypta arrosa miwoka; Diamond-Y pond snail, Physa virgata bottomeri; flat-spired three-toothed land snail, Triodopsis platysayoides; fraternal snail, Micrarionta feralis; Jone's middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon jonesianus; Karok Indian snail, Vestericola karokarum; MacClintock's discoid land snail, Discus macclintocki; Magazine Mountain middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon magacinenses; Muddy Valley turban snail, Fluminicola avernalis; Nicklin's Peninsula snail, Helminthoglypta nickiniana awania; Pahranagat Valley turban, Fluminicola merriami; painted snake coiled forest snail, Anguispira picta; Pilsbru's narrow apertured land snail, Stanotrema pilsbryi; Reeves County snail, Cochliopa texana; rocky coast snail, Monadenia fidelis pronotis; St. George snail, Amnicola deseria; slug snail, Binneya notabilis; Socorro snail, Amnicola neomexicana; Stock Island tree snail, Orthalicus reses reses; Strange many- whorled land snail, Polygyra peregrina; Tryon's snail, Micrarionta tryoni; Virginia fringed mountain snail, Polugriscus virginianus; White River snail, Tryonia clathraia; Zion canyon snail, Physa zioni) » Recovery Recovery Plan Information Search •Information Search FAQs Current Recovery Plan(s) Date Title Plan Action Status Plan Status 09/07/1984 Noonday Snail View Implementation Progress Final Other Recovery Documents (Showing 1 of 1 ) Date Citation Page Title Document Type 09/21/2007 72 FR 54057 54059 5-Year Review of 16 Southeastern Species •Notice 5-year Review, Initiation » Critical Habitat No critical habitat rules have been published for the Noonday snail. » Conservation Plans No conservation plans have been created for Noonday snail » Petitions No petition findings have been published for the Noonday snail. » Life History No Life History information has been entered into this system for this species. » Other Resources NatureServe Explorer Species Reports -- NatureServe Explorer is a source for authoritative conservation information on more than 50,000 plants, animals and ecological communtities of the U.S and Canada. NatureServe Explorer provides in-depth information on rare and endangered species, but includes common plants and animals too. NatureServe Explorer is a product of NatureServe in collaboration with the Natural Heritage Network. ITIS Reports -- ITIS (the Integrated Taxonomic Information System) is a source for authoritative taxonomic information on plants, animals, fungi, and microbes of North America and the world. Last updated: November 25, 2009 FWS Endangered Home | ECOS Home | Contact Us U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home Page | Department of the Interior | USA.gov | About the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service | Accessibility | Privacy | Notices | Disclaimer | FOIA Original Message: ----------------- From: Alex Netherton danetherton AT charter.net Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:00:18 -0500 To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction > When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted > natural > habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in > the 1970s I find land snails fascinating, but have limited knowledge. What is the species, and where found? (I promise not to bother them!) What is the habitat, food, etc? 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Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint Subject: RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:08:15 -0500 Noonday snail (Mesodon clarki nantahala) Kingdom: Animalia Class: Gastropoda Order: Stylommatophora Family: Polygyridae Listing Status: Threatened Quick links:Federal RegisterRecoveryCritical HabitatConservation PlansPetitionsLife HistoryOther Resources Lead Region: Southeast Region (Region 4) Date Listed: Aug 2, 1978 States/US Territories in which the Noonday snail is known to occur: North Carolina » Federal Register Documents Most Recent Federal Register Documents (Showing 3 of 3 ) Date Citation Page Title 09/21/2007 72 FR 54057 54059 5-Year Review of 16 Southeastern Species 07/03/1978 43 FR 28932 28935 Final Determination that Seven Eastern U.S. Land Snails are Endangered or Threatened Species 04/28/1976 41 FR 17742 17747 Proposed Endangered or Threatened Status for 32 U.S. Snails [Proposed 15 as E/17 T]; 41 FR 17742 17747 (Amargosa snail, Fontellicella micrococcus; Ash Meadows turban snail, Fluminicola erythropoma; bad water snail, Assiminea infirma; banded dune snail, Helminthoglypta walkeriana; California Northern River snail, Monadenia setosa; Cheatum's snail, Tryonia cheatumi; Chittenango ovate amber snail, Succinea ovalis chittenangoensis; Clark's Nantahala middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon clarki nantahala; dented peninsula snail, Helminthoglypta arrosa miwoka; Diamond-Y pond snail, Physa virgata bottomeri; flat-spired three-toothed land snail, Triodopsis platysayoides; fraternal snail, Micrarionta feralis; Jone's middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon jonesianus; Karok Indian snail, Vestericola karokarum; MacClintock's discoid land snail, Discus macclintocki; Magazine Mountain middle-toothed land snail, Mesodon magacinenses; Muddy Valley turban snail, Fluminicola avernalis; Nicklin's Peninsula snail, Helminthoglypta nickiniana awania; Pahranagat Valley turban, Fluminicola merriami; painted snake coiled forest snail, Anguispira picta; Pilsbru's narrow apertured land snail, Stanotrema pilsbryi; Reeves County snail, Cochliopa texana; rocky coast snail, Monadenia fidelis pronotis; St. George snail, Amnicola deseria; slug snail, Binneya notabilis; Socorro snail, Amnicola neomexicana; Stock Island tree snail, Orthalicus reses reses; Strange many- whorled land snail, Polygyra peregrina; Tryon's snail, Micrarionta tryoni; Virginia fringed mountain snail, Polugriscus virginianus; White River snail, Tryonia clathraia; Zion canyon snail, Physa zioni) » Recovery Recovery Plan Information Search •Information Search FAQs Current Recovery Plan(s) Date Title Plan Action Status Plan Status 09/07/1984 Noonday Snail View Implementation Progress Final Other Recovery Documents (Showing 1 of 1 ) Date Citation Page Title Document Type 09/21/2007 72 FR 54057 54059 5-Year Review of 16 Southeastern Species •Notice 5-year Review, Initiation » Critical Habitat No critical habitat rules have been published for the Noonday snail. » Conservation Plans No conservation plans have been created for Noonday snail » Petitions No petition findings have been published for the Noonday snail. » Life History No Life History information has been entered into this system for this species. » Other Resources NatureServe Explorer Species Reports -- NatureServe Explorer is a source for authoritative conservation information on more than 50,000 plants, animals and ecological communtities of the U.S and Canada. NatureServe Explorer provides in-depth information on rare and endangered species, but includes common plants and animals too. NatureServe Explorer is a product of NatureServe in collaboration with the Natural Heritage Network. ITIS Reports -- ITIS (the Integrated Taxonomic Information System) is a source for authoritative taxonomic information on plants, animals, fungi, and microbes of North America and the world. Last updated: November 25, 2009 FWS Endangered Home | ECOS Home | Contact Us U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Home Page | Department of the Interior | USA.gov | About the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service | Accessibility | Privacy | Notices | Disclaimer | FOIA Original Message: ----------------- From: Alex Netherton danetherton AT charter.net Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:00:18 -0500 To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction > When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted > natural > habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in > the 1970s I find land snails fascinating, but have limited knowledge. What is the species, and where found? (I promise not to bother them!) What is the habitat, food, etc? What can be done to increase the population? -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carolinamountainbirding/ http://blueridgediscovery.blogspot.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Subject: belated butterfly report From: Harry Pavulaan <harrypav AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:24:28 +0000 As of Saturday, Nov. 21, there were still some butterflies active in and around Leesburg, VA. One Eastern Comma was hanging around the sunny back of my house and on the deck. A Buckeye was hanging around on White Clovers in a highway median and an Orange Sulphur was flying about. I believe it was last Thursday, Nov. 19, that some Katydids were still active in the woods at Balls Bluff Regional Park in Leesburg as evidenced by their chattering. These didn't sound like Common True Katydids, though, which were still active a week earlier. Harry Pavulaan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:20:48 -0800 (PST) Hi Folks,    Just for the record --    And before we put this matter of land snails to rest - my mollusk professor has told me that they are actually collecting threatened tree snails in Florida and then burning the hummocks so that the value of the shells go-up and there won't be any more colors of that particular snail available for sale!!    This barbaric treatment of our wildlife is still rampant in the 21st Century.      Sincerely, Lance ________________________________ From: Alex Netherton To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 9:00:18 AM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction   > When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted > natural > habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in > the 1970s I find land snails fascinating, but have limited knowledge. What is the species, and where found? (I promise not to bother them!) What is the habitat, food, etc? What can be done to increase the population? -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/carolinamo untainbirding/ http://blueridgedis covery.blogspot. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction From: Alex Netherton <danetherton AT charter.net> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:00:18 -0500 > When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted > natural > habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in > the 1970s I find land snails fascinating, but have limited knowledge. What is the species, and where found? (I promise not to bother them!) What is the habitat, food, etc? What can be done to increase the population? -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carolinamountainbirding/ http://blueridgediscovery.blogspot.com Subject: RE: Re: How taxonomic lumping of species can lead to extinction From: "ialm AT erols.com" <ialm@erols.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:44:59 -0500 When I put a species of land snail, found only in a very restricted natural habitat in North Carolina, on the National list of endangered species in the 1970s I had to deal with the fact there there were a few hybrids with a common land snail species in the same genus. We decided to go with the splitter direction since no hybrids were in the museum collections and all the hybrids, and I mean all, were in artificial human created disturbed habitats. Cheers. Marc Imlay, PhD conservation biologist Anacostioa Watershed Society Original Message: ----------------- From: Harry Pavulaan harrypav AT hotmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:18:03 +0000 To: va-md-de-bugs AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction Lance: Thanks for your thoughtful response! Yes, but the problem highlighted in the article is the lumping of full species, not subspecies. The rare species of Skates were sunk as synonyms, thus not recognized by agencies, authorities, regulatory bodies, etc. involved in the fishing industry and regulation thereof. Perhaps I should have used a better examples from our butterflies: Some authors and organizations don't accept the Summer Azure, Holly Azure, Cherry Gall Azure (and others out west) as full species, thus insisting that they are all "Spring Azure". Should one of these "other" Azures become rare, tetering on extinction, not recognizing them would have negative consequences for conservation. Regarding subspecies classifications, we have an example right here in the D.C. area. Our beloved Baltimore is disappearing fast. As the species-level taxon is considered common and widespread throughout much of the north, it would not attract any protection at the federal level. However, our local populations of Baltimores do differ somewhat phenotypically from populations north of Maryland. Those northern populations are thriving, and many areas are seeing huge irruptions where Baltimores have switched to Plantago as their primary oviposition host. While our D.C. area populations are on the verge of collapse, these are coincidentally of the phenotype that was described as subspecies "schausi". Unfortunately, schausi was ignored shortly after it's naming because several prominent authors of the time did not personally see any use for a subspecies designation for populations being larger, grayer, and with red markings being reduced and less intense, when compared to thei! r northern brethren. Some may consider this a valid subspecies, others do not. But an important point to remember is that many subspecies are recognized under the endangered species act. There is a considerable degree of upheaval in butterfly taxonomy today, with many cases of subspecies being elevated to full-species status. I'm not suggesting that schausi could be a species, but there's always the chance that another species/subspecies entity might undergo similar situations and the subspecies could be later recognized as a full species - after it's gone extinct! Following past precedent, am in the early stages of re-examining the status of "schausi" to see if it justifies being re-elevated to subspecies status. Should justification for that status prevail, it might be possible to proceed to the next step: recognizing the vulnerability of a unique named population in Maryland. Named populations get more attention. Just perhaps, it might allow for more agressive conse! rvation measures if the political climate allows. Best, Harry > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1b. Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction > Posted by: "lance biechele" ltb0076 AT yahoo.com ltb0076 > Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:34 pm ((PST)) > > Hi Harry, > I don't think that such "close-relationships" are actually discouraged either > by lumpers or splitters. The problem is with the third "trinomial." > The definition for subspecies is in itself tricky - because we are referring to > genetically similar organisms that can interbreed! All Limenitis a. arthemis result in > the White Admiral and are therefore independent (although not a separate species) > of L. a. astyanax, the Red-spotted Purple. [i.e., two really different subspecies]. > However, this delimna is even more serious when we associate one Northern Flying > Squirrel in NC with the another closely related subspecies in WV. By removing the > "rare species" protection on one, we have, for all practical purposes, allowed for the > extirpation of the "different" WV species. > All of these troubles are intricately intertwined by our obsession for naming things. > Happy Thanksgiving, > Lance > > > > ________________________________ > From: Harry Pavulaan > To: tils-leps-talk-owner AT yahoogroups.com; NYS Butterflies ; valeps AT yahoogroups.com; va-md-de-bugs AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 9:08:13 PM > Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction > > > > All: > > Some of you may be aware of two different opposing "taxonomic philosophies" that prevail among scientists, authors, hobbyists, naturalists, anybody with an interest in biological organisms. On the one hand are the "splitters" who view diversity among organisms and on the other are "lumpers" who view unity among organisms. One of the big problems with "lumping" is that it masks diversity, thus reporting of things like "Red Spotted Admiral" in place of White Admiral (Limenitis arthemis arthemis) and Red Spotted Purple (Limenitis arthemis astyanax) tends to change the focus away from recognizing these two very unique entities. While not about butterflies, below is an article in Science Daily that points to how "lumping" (=taxonomic masking) may be about to cause one such extinction - among Skates (Dipturus): > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091117191048.htm > > Sure, it's about sea life, not butterflies, but the principles at work here apply directly to the way we view butterfly classification. > > Enjoy, > > Harry Pavulaan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (2) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint Subject: Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction From: Harry Pavulaan <harrypav AT hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:18:03 +0000 Lance: Thanks for your thoughtful response! Yes, but the problem highlighted in the article is the lumping of full species, not subspecies. The rare species of Skates were sunk as synonyms, thus not recognized by agencies, authorities, regulatory bodies, etc. involved in the fishing industry and regulation thereof. Perhaps I should have used a better examples from our butterflies: Some authors and organizations don't accept the Summer Azure, Holly Azure, Cherry Gall Azure (and others out west) as full species, thus insisting that they are all "Spring Azure". Should one of these "other" Azures become rare, tetering on extinction, not recognizing them would have negative consequences for conservation. Regarding subspecies classifications, we have an example right here in the D.C. area. Our beloved Baltimore is disappearing fast. As the species-level taxon is considered common and widespread throughout much of the north, it would not attract any protection at the federal level. However, our local populations of Baltimores do differ somewhat phenotypically from populations north of Maryland. Those northern populations are thriving, and many areas are seeing huge irruptions where Baltimores have switched to Plantago as their primary oviposition host. While our D.C. area populations are on the verge of collapse, these are coincidentally of the phenotype that was described as subspecies "schausi". Unfortunately, schausi was ignored shortly after it's naming because several prominent authors of the time did not personally see any use for a subspecies designation for populations being larger, grayer, and with red markings being reduced and less intense, when compared to their northern brethren. Some may consider this a valid subspecies, others do not. But an important point to remember is that many subspecies are recognized under the endangered species act. There is a considerable degree of upheaval in butterfly taxonomy today, with many cases of subspecies being elevated to full-species status. I'm not suggesting that schausi could be a species, but there's always the chance that another species/subspecies entity might undergo similar situations and the subspecies could be later recognized as a full species - after it's gone extinct! Following past precedent, am in the early stages of re-examining the status of "schausi" to see if it justifies being re-elevated to subspecies status. Should justification for that status prevail, it might be possible to proceed to the next step: recognizing the vulnerability of a unique named population in Maryland. Named populations get more attention. Just perhaps, it might allow for more agressive conservation measures if the political climate allows. Best, Harry > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1b. Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction > Posted by: "lance biechele" ltb0076 AT yahoo.com ltb0076 > Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:34 pm ((PST)) > > Hi Harry, > I don't think that such "close-relationships" are actually discouraged either > by lumpers or splitters. The problem is with the third "trinomial." > The definition for subspecies is in itself tricky - because we are referring to > genetically similar organisms that can interbreed! All Limenitis a. arthemis result in > the White Admiral and are therefore independent (although not a separate species) > of L. a. astyanax, the Red-spotted Purple. [i.e., two really different subspecies]. > However, this delimna is even more serious when we associate one Northern Flying > Squirrel in NC with the another closely related subspecies in WV. By removing the > "rare species" protection on one, we have, for all practical purposes, allowed for the > extirpation of the "different" WV species. > All of these troubles are intricately intertwined by our obsession for naming things. > Happy Thanksgiving, > Lance > > > > ________________________________ > From: Harry Pavulaan > To: tils-leps-talk-owner AT yahoogroups.com; NYS Butterflies ; valeps AT yahoogroups.com; va-md-de-bugs AT yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 9:08:13 PM > Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction > > > > All: > > Some of you may be aware of two different opposing "taxonomic philosophies" that prevail among scientists, authors, hobbyists, naturalists, anybody with an interest in biological organisms. On the one hand are the "splitters" who view diversity among organisms and on the other are "lumpers" who view unity among organisms. One of the big problems with "lumping" is that it masks diversity, thus reporting of things like "Red Spotted Admiral" in place of White Admiral (Limenitis arthemis arthemis) and Red Spotted Purple (Limenitis arthemis astyanax) tends to change the focus away from recognizing these two very unique entities. While not about butterflies, below is an article in Science Daily that points to how "lumping" (=taxonomic masking) may be about to cause one such extinction - among Skates (Dipturus): > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091117191048.htm > > Sure, it's about sea life, not butterflies, but the principles at work here apply directly to the way we view butterfly classification. > > Enjoy, > > Harry Pavulaan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (2) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Lumpers From: Alex Netherton <danetherton AT charter.net> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:46:37 -0500 Yes, well, this is a problem with "lumpers" in all sorts of taxa. I have seen it in the genus Plethodon of the Lungless Salamanders; lumpers years ago lumped the Crevice Salamander (Plethodon longicrus) in with the Yohnalossee (P. yohnalossee), in what looked at the time to be a reaction to political pressure. The Crevice Salamander was in the way of lots of development in the Bat Cave area of Western NC, particularly Hickory Nut Gorge and Chimney Rock, which was recently saved as a State Park. Though the area has been somewhat saved by the Nature Conservancy's work with the Hickory Nut Gorge Park and Natural area, this lumping of the two species of salamander was like the green light on a drag strip for development in this area. The two species share a similar habitat, but there is a disjunct in the ranges near Black Mountain NC. Salamanders from the southern part of Yohnalossee range were included in Crevice samples, as the range discontinuity was discounted, so the two populations looked the same genetically. Add to it that the genetic analysis was made in the (I think) '80's or 90's, when the techniques were rather nascent, and there is some room for argument. In speaking with professors who studied this (no, I can't tell you names; it was long ago, and besides, the wench is dead), there may have been some question of political pressure, and threats against grants, tenure, etc. Hearsay, of course, and probably apocryphal, but I am sure it could happen. Add to that the fact that the Slimy Salamander (P. glutinosis) has been split into 13 (!) species with more to possibly be revealed, and the Woodland Salamander (P. jordani) which had several species lumped into it in the 1970's, has now been split into all the original species and more due to molecular evidence, and one wonders why the Crevice hasn't been revisited. Another one I have seen is the Mountain Sweet Pitcher Plant, which was named by Edgar T. Wherry as Sarracenia jonesii back around 1920 or so, was considered an endangered species, was in the way of development of wetlands that needed to be developed into golf courses (God knows we need more golf courses), was revisited by some botanists in the early '70's, who said it might be a subspecies, but lumped it in with S. rubra, and the only large population of this rare plant was bulldozed for a golf course and country club around 1980. Other populations around Etowah and Henderson county followed suit. There are only about 6 populations left, most on private land, most in danger of development. Curiously, all "species" of Sarracenia can be crossed, and often do so in the field, with completely fertile offspring. I think we must look at splitters as people who want to see subsets of populations as valid species, subsets that are likely speciating. The species concept is a concept that needs revisiting, as it is a concept from the days of Linnaeus, the idea that by some divine fiat that all species were made 6000 or so years ago (what was it, Oct 23?) and are forever immutable. Darwin's concept of "variation by means of Natural Selection" kind of lets the air out of that one. The species concept can be seen as somewhat archaic if we only look at "ring species". A very knotty problem, and opens the arena to "superspecies", a concept whose time may be here. We need to look at all differences in populations, especially populations at the edges of ranges or at opposite ends of ranges, or disjunct populations who seem to be speciating or show evidence of genetic drift. This is where the species concept can shoot us in the foot, and can extinct a small population, plus shorting out the process of speciating and Evolution itself. This is my 2 cents wrapped in a 2 dollar package. Ps: Why is this group set to bounce HTML messages? This is after all the 21st century, and some of us might want to add photos to our mail for ID purposes. Enjoy! -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carolinamountainbirding/ http://blueridgediscovery.blogspot.com Subject: New Virginia Records for Bees From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:19:59 -0500 Greetings All: For some reason in the past I haven't been sending out interesting local observations of Bees to the listserv. I am not sure why as I always enjoy others observations of dragonflies, etc. So I will try and do a better job. In that light... Nancy Adamson visited my lab last week and we went through several thousand of her specimens from the Blacksburg region of Virginia (SW Virginia at the bottom of the Shenandoah Valley and into the highlands to the west). She had the following new state records. Lasioglossum apocyni - A small sweat bee common in the mountains of West Virginia Triepeolus simplex - A nest parasite, possibly of Melissodes communis, but no one knows - this is the first Mid-Atlantic record Melissodes communis - A large southern eucerine late season bee. Often associated with composites Bombus sandersoni - An uncommon Appalachian and northern woodland bumblebee that is very difficult to separate from the more common Bombus vagans Also of interest were the following records: Osmia taurus - An apparently accidentally introduced (looks very very similar to the more commonly known introduction: Osmia cornifrons) species that is now abundant in spring in the DC/Baltimore/Frederick/WV panhandle area....now apparently having made its way to the bottom of the Shenandoah Valley. Both species were relatively common in the orchards being studied. Locally, O. taurus appears to be the more common species now. Osmia ceurulescens - I have never seen this species before in a recent collection nor collected it myself. This is thought to be an introduced species and has been in the country for probably 100 years. It appears to have been regionally common in the past, but then seems to have disappeared...this is the first recent record. Nomada vegana - An uncommon nest parasite of bees of the genus Agapostemon Sam Sam Droege sdroege AT usgs.gov w 301-497-5840 h 301-390-7759 fax 301-497-5624 USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center BARC-EAST, BLDG 308, RM 124 10300 Balt. Ave., Beltsville, MD 20705 Http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov The Mountain Cemetery With their harsh leaves old rhododendrons fill The crevices in grave plots? broken stones. The bees renew the blossoms they destroy, While in the burning air the pines rise still, Commemorating long forgotten biers. Their roots replace the semblance of these bones. The weight of cool, of imperceptible dust That came from nothing and to nothing came Is light within the earth and on the air. The change that so renews itself is just. The enormous, sundry platitude of death Is for these bones, bees, trees, and leaves the same. And splayed upon the ground and through the trees The mountains? shadow fills and cools the air, Smoothing the shape of headstones to the earth. The rhododendrons suffer with the bees Whose struggles loose ripe petals to the earth, The heaviest burden it shall ever bear. Our hard earned knowledge fits us for such sleep. Although the spring must come, it passes too To form the burden suffered for what comes. Whatever we would give our souls to keep Is merely part of what we call the soul; What we of time would threaten to undo All time in its slow scrutiny has done. For on the grass that starts about the feet The body?s shadow turns, to shape in time, Soon grown preponderant with creeping shade, The final shadow that is turn of earth; And what seems won paid for as in defeat. - Edgar Bowers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:33:41 -0800 (PST) Hi Harry,   I don't think that such "close-relationships" are actually discouraged either by lumpers or splitters.  The problem is with the third "trinomial."     The definition for subspecies is in itself tricky - because we are referring to genetically similar organisms that can interbreed!  All Limenitis a. arthemis result in the White Admiral and are therefore independent (although not a separate species) of L. a. astyanax, the Red-spotted Purple.  [i.e., two really different subspecies].    However, this delimna is even more serious when we associate one Northern Flying Squirrel in NC with the another closely related subspecies in WV.  By removing the "rare species" protection on one, we have, for all practical purposes, allowed for the extirpation of the "different" WV species.    All of these troubles are intricately intertwined by our obsession for naming things. Happy Thanksgiving, Lance ________________________________ From: Harry Pavulaan To: tils-leps-talk-owner AT yahoogroups.com; NYS Butterflies ; valeps AT yahoogroups.com; va-md-de-bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 9:08:13 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] How taxonomic "lumping" of species can lead to extinction   All: Some of you may be aware of two different opposing "taxonomic philosophies" that prevail among scientists, authors, hobbyists, naturalists, anybody with an interest in biological organisms. On the one hand are the "splitters" who view diversity among organisms and on the other are "lumpers" who view unity among organisms. One of the big problems with "lumping" is that it masks diversity, thus reporting of things like "Red Spotted Admiral" in place of White Admiral (Limenitis arthemis arthemis) and Red Spotted Purple (Limenitis arthemis astyanax) tends to change the focus away from recognizing these two very unique entities. While not about butterflies, below is an article in Science Daily that points to how "lumping" (=taxonomic masking) may be about to cause one such extinction - among Skates (Dipturus): http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091117191048.htm Sure, it's about sea life, not butterflies, but the principles at work here apply directly to the way we view butterfly classification. Enjoy, Harry Pavulaan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider From: lance biechele <ltb0076 AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) Hi Wayne, The sex is right - a female looking for a place to hide for the winter. It certainly is not dangerous! My best guess is that it is the marbled orb weaver, Araneus marmoreus. This spider is highly variable in color! Hope this helps, Happy Thanksgiving, Lance ________________________________ From: wbreslyn To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 12:36:17 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Help for an Orange Spider   A student of mine brought in a spider the other day and we weren’t able to identify it. They think is dangerous because of the orange markings. They also believe that it is a female since it is large. We let it go but would still like to know what type it is. Our school is in Gaithersburg, MD outside of Wash. DC. A picture of the spider is in the Photos section of this group. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:15:42 -0800 (PST) I highly recommend looking on BugGuide (www.bugguide.net). If you post the photo to the "ID Request" section, you will very likely get an ID within 24 hours. Besides, BugGuide is a neat site to poke around on just for fun. June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, MD damselfly |AT| southernspreadwing.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Lynette Fullerton To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 1:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Help for an Orange Spider What a gorgeous critter! It looks like some kind of orb weaver (if you do an image search for "orange orb weaver" you get some that look a lot like your photo). It's only dangerous if you're an unlucky insect that happens to fly into its web. Lynette From: wbreslyn Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Help for an Orange Spider To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 12:36 PM A student of mine brought in a spider the other day and we weren't able to identify it. They think is dangerous because of the orange markings. They also believe that it is a female since it is large. We let it go but would still like to know what type it is. Our school is in Gaithersburg, MD outside of Wash. DC. A picture of the spider is in the Photos section of this group. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne Subject: Re: Identification Help for an Orange Spider From: Lynette Fullerton <l_fullerton_1999 AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:31:58 -0800 (PST) What a gorgeous critter!  It looks like some kind of orb weaver (if you do an image search for "orange orb weaver" you get some that look a lot like your photo).  It's only dangerous if you're an unlucky insect that happens to fly into its web.   Lynette "The aim of life is to live, and to live means to be aware--joyously, drunkenly, serenely, divinely aware." --Henry Miller --- On Fri, 11/20/09, wbreslyn wrote: From: wbreslyn Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] Identification Help for an Orange Spider To: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 12:36 PM   A student of mine brought in a spider the other day and we weren’t able to identify it. They think is dangerous because of the orange markings. They also believe that it is a female since it is large. We let it go but would still like to know what type it is. Our school is in Gaithersburg, MD outside of Wash. DC. A picture of the spider is in the Photos section of this group. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Identification Help for an Orange Spider From: "wbreslyn" <wbreslyn AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:36:17 -0000 A student of mine brought in a spider the other day and we weren’t able to identify it. They think is dangerous because of the orange markings. They also believe that it is a female since it is large. We let it go but would still like to know what type it is. Our school is in Gaithersburg, MD outside of Wash. DC. A picture of the spider is in the Photos section of this group. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne Subject: Re: RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:49:33 -0500 Two nights ago there were still a couple of katydids still calling in Newark, DE. There are not many green leaves left in the trees for food. Hal White Sam Droege wrote: > > > Harry and anyone from the NYC area ... > > You may find this interesting: > > http://pick14.pick.uga.edu/cricket/mystery.html > > > sam > > From: > Harry Pavulaan > > To: > > > Date: > 11/11/2009 07:52 PM > Subject: > [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids > Sent by: > VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com > > All: > > Just want to thank Wil Hershberger for helping me identify the Katydids > STILL making sounds in the woods behind my house as of yesterday (Nov. 10) > evening. They are Common True Katydids. They were identified primarily by > their song, though occasional individuals found at my porch light also > seem to match images of Common True Katydids. I will try find another one > to positively identify it from online images. > > While some of you may find it odd that I couldn't match the song to the > insect, where I grew up on Long Island, we must have had other species of > Katydids, some quite frequent. None of their songs match the Common True > Katydid, and perhaps that species is not as common up there in the suburbs > where I grew up. In Herndon, VA., we had these insects abundant in the > nearby woods, but it is difficult to find them in the trees at night. We > only wondered what they were! > > Harry > > From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com > To: harrypav AT hotmail.com > Subject: Re: chatter bugs > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:38:37 -0500 > > The singers in the background of the clicker round wing recording are > common true katydids. > It is certainly late in the year from them to still be singing. Enjoy them > while you still can. > Thanks, > > Wil Hershberger > Nature Images and Sounds, LLC > Hedgesville, WV > The Songs of Insects > My Blog > > On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Harry Pavulaan wrote: > > Hi Wil: > > Thanks for the link. Well, Common True Katydid sounds like the closest, > though the ones in the woods sound much more robust. The recording for the > Clicker Round-winged Katydid has a lot of background chatter from another > species that sounds just like the ones in my backyard. Maybe they are > Common True Katydids. I occasionally have one come to my porch light but > they don't make the loud sound like the ones in the woods. I wasn't aware > there were so many species. > > Best, > Harry > > From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com > To: harrypav AT hotmail.com > Subject: Re:chatter bugs > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:56:52 -0500 > > Sounds like these were lesser anglewing katydids. I too noticed that there > was resurgence of singing with the warm weather. I was amazed that they > survived the hard frost we had here. > > Lesser Anglewing - Microcentrum retinerve > > Or, take a listen to different species on this page to find the correct > singer: > http://www.musicofnature.com/songsofinsects/iframes/specieslist.html > > > I hope that this helps, > > Wil Hershberger > Nature Images and Sounds, LLC > Hedgesville, WV > The Songs of Insects > My Blog > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VA-MD-DE-Bugs/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-digest AT yahoogroups.com VA-MD-DE-Bugs-fullfeatured AT yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: VA-MD-DE-Bugs-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Subject: Re: RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids From: Sam Droege <sdroege AT usgs.gov> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:02:48 -0500 Harry and anyone from the NYC area ... You may find this interesting: http://pick14.pick.uga.edu/cricket/mystery.html sam From: Harry Pavulaan To: Date: 11/11/2009 07:52 PM Subject: [VA-MD-DE-Bugs] RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids Sent by: VA-MD-DE-Bugs AT yahoogroups.com All: Just want to thank Wil Hershberger for helping me identify the Katydids STILL making sounds in the woods behind my house as of yesterday (Nov. 10) evening. They are Common True Katydids. They were identified primarily by their song, though occasional individuals found at my porch light also seem to match images of Common True Katydids. I will try find another one to positively identify it from online images. While some of you may find it odd that I couldn't match the song to the insect, where I grew up on Long Island, we must have had other species of Katydids, some quite frequent. None of their songs match the Common True Katydid, and perhaps that species is not as common up there in the suburbs where I grew up. In Herndon, VA., we had these insects abundant in the nearby woods, but it is difficult to find them in the trees at night. We only wondered what they were! Harry From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com To: harrypav AT hotmail.com Subject: Re: chatter bugs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:38:37 -0500 The singers in the background of the clicker round wing recording are common true katydids. It is certainly late in the year from them to still be singing. Enjoy them while you still can. Thanks, Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Harry Pavulaan wrote: Hi Wil: Thanks for the link. Well, Common True Katydid sounds like the closest, though the ones in the woods sound much more robust. The recording for the Clicker Round-winged Katydid has a lot of background chatter from another species that sounds just like the ones in my backyard. Maybe they are Common True Katydids. I occasionally have one come to my porch light but they don't make the loud sound like the ones in the woods. I wasn't aware there were so many species. Best, Harry From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com To: harrypav AT hotmail.com Subject: Re:chatter bugs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:56:52 -0500 Sounds like these were lesser anglewing katydids. I too noticed that there was resurgence of singing with the warm weather. I was amazed that they survived the hard frost we had here. Lesser Anglewing - Microcentrum retinerve Or, take a listen to different species on this page to find the correct singer: http://www.musicofnature.com/songsofinsects/iframes/specieslist.html I hope that this helps, Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: RE: chatter bugs = Common True Katydids From: Harry Pavulaan <harrypav AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:50:46 +0000 All: Just want to thank Wil Hershberger for helping me identify the Katydids STILL making sounds in the woods behind my house as of yesterday (Nov. 10) evening. They are Common True Katydids. They were identified primarily by their song, though occasional individuals found at my porch light also seem to match images of Common True Katydids. I will try find another one to positively identify it from online images. While some of you may find it odd that I couldn't match the song to the insect, where I grew up on Long Island, we must have had other species of Katydids, some quite frequent. None of their songs match the Common True Katydid, and perhaps that species is not as common up there in the suburbs where I grew up. In Herndon, VA., we had these insects abundant in the nearby woods, but it is difficult to find them in the trees at night. We only wondered what they were! Harry From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com To: harrypav AT hotmail.com Subject: Re: chatter bugs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:38:37 -0500 The singers in the background of the clicker round wing recording are common true katydids. It is certainly late in the year from them to still be singing. Enjoy them while you still can. Thanks, Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Harry Pavulaan wrote: Hi Wil: Thanks for the link. Well, Common True Katydid sounds like the closest, though the ones in the woods sound much more robust. The recording for the Clicker Round-winged Katydid has a lot of background chatter from another species that sounds just like the ones in my backyard. Maybe they are Common True Katydids. I occasionally have one come to my porch light but they don't make the loud sound like the ones in the woods. I wasn't aware there were so many species. Best, Harry From: wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com To: harrypav AT hotmail.com Subject: Re:chatter bugs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:56:52 -0500 Sounds like these were lesser anglewing katydids. I too noticed that there was resurgence of singing with the warm weather. I was amazed that they survived the hard frost we had here. Lesser Anglewing - Microcentrum retinerve Or, take a listen to different species on this page to find the correct singer: http://www.musicofnature.com/songsofinsects/iframes/specieslist.html I hope that this helps, Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Subject: Re:chatter bugs From: Alex Netherton <danetherton AT charter.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:57 -0500 These chatter bugs sound like a species of Katydid, a common late summer sound here in Western NC. They seem to stop in late Sep., and then later on, the males who haven't mated seem to call, even in daylight, clear up until a hard killing frost quiets them. -- Alex Netherton Asheville, NC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carolinamountainbirding/ http://blueridgediscovery.blogspot.com Subject: Re: chatter bugs From: RestoreHabitat AT aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:40:22 EST Sounds like Katy-did's to me. Hard to tell which species. We still have them here in Southern Maryland as well. Randy Pheobus Native Grassland Conservancy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]