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9 Oct Swede Lane/ River Lane - 10/09/08 ["Jeff Bilsky" ] 9 Oct Sage Sparrow, Provo Airport Dike 10/9/08 [Eric Huish ] 8 Oct Jordanelle Wetlands - 10/8 - Evening ["Jeff Bilsky" ] 8 Oct Lee Kay Ponds & Yellow Fork Canyon ["Carl Ingwell" ] 8 Oct Sandhill Cranes Overhead ["Kristin Purdy" ] 07 Oct Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID [Cliff and Lisa Weisse ] 7 Oct Salt Lake International Center - 10/7 ["Jeff Bilsky" ] 7 Oct Provo Airport Dike 10/7/08 [Eric Huish ] 6 Oct San Juan county birds - October 2008 [Milt Moody ] 5 Oct Battle Creek Canyon 10/5/08 [Eric Huish ] 5 Oct Clay-colored Sparrow, B&W Warb, etc SL County ["Tim Avery" ] 5 Oct Blackburnian or Townsend's Warbler... Pix ["Tim Avery" ] 5 Oct Blackburnian or Townsend's Warbler... Pix ["Tim Avery" ] 5 Oct Possible BLACKBURNIAN WARBLER at the IC [] 4 Oct Salt Lake International Center - 10/4 - TOWNSEND'S WARBLER ["Jeff Bilsky" ] 4 Oct Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID ["J. Harry Krueger" ] 4 Oct Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID ["Steve Carr" ] 03 Oct Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID [Cliff and Lisa Weisse ] 3 Oct RE: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID ["Rick Fridell" ] 03 Oct Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID [Cliff and Lisa Weisse ] 03 Oct Pinyon Jay Comments [Brian Maxfield ] 3 Oct Re: Red Butte Warbler ID [Matt Mills ] 3 Oct Additional Photo of the Mystery Warbler [Milt Moody ] 2 Oct 10/2 - Swede Lane, River Lane, Provo/Springville ["Jeff Bilsky" ] 2 Oct Ouray NWR General Waterbird Survey [] 30 Sep Sandhill Cranes, Cache Co. ["Craig Fosdick" ] 01 Oct Re: ID request [Cliff and Lisa Weisse ] 1 Oct ID Request - Thanks [Carol Gwynn ] 1 Oct Bear River Bird Count [] 1 Oct Re: ID request [Mark Stackhouse ] 1 Oct Re: ID request ["Craig Fosdick" ] 1 Oct Late addition to the International Center report - Magnolia Warbler [Mark Stackhouse ] 1 Oct Re: ID request [Mark Stackhouse ] 1 Oct Garr Ranch 9/30/08 ["Ben Palmer" ] 1 Oct Cache County migrant trap? ["Ryan O'Donnell" ] 30 Sep Re: ID request ["Craig Fosdick" ] 30 Sep Bountiful pond/lake ["Paul S. Lombardi" ] 30 Sep Grand and San Juan Counties 9/27-9/30 [] 30 Sep Provo Airport Dike - 9/30/08 [Eric Huish ] 30 Sep Re: ID request [Brandon Percival ] 30 Sep Re: ID request [Mark Stackhouse ] 30 Sep Re: ID request [] 30 Sep Re: ID request ["Colby Neuman" ] 30 Sep ID request [Milt Moody ] 29 Sep Washington County Birds ["Rick Fridell" ] 29 Sep Around and About Weber and Wasatch Counties ["STEPHEN T CARLILE" ] 29 Sep PINION JAY [] 29 Sep FW: peregrine falcon observed Sept. 29 [Utah Birds ] 29 Sep Re: CERULEAN WARBLER... [Merrill Webb ] 28 Sep International Center Clay-colored and Swamp Sparrows [Mark Stackhouse ] 29 Sep Antelope Island Beautiful Fall Day [] 29 Sep Backyard Activity ["Jeff Bilsky" ] Subject: Swede Lane/ River Lane - 10/09/08 From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:21:06 -0600 Quick drive through the wind to Swede and River Lanes in Utah County. SWEDE - 1 Red Tailed Hawk - 1 Northern Harrier (juvenile) - riding the wind amazingly - 1 White Crowned Sparrow - 1 Yellow Rumped Warbler - 6 Northern Flickers (1 Yellow shafted although it had a red malar which looking at Sibley's now seems to indicate a Western red shafted bird so maybe it was a hybrid? or a Gilded! haha yeah right) - 12 or so Barn Swallows - Western Grebes (heard down by the water) - Coots, Starlings, Magpies RIVER - 2 White Crowned Sparrows - Then I bailed because it was too windy and I thought a tree would fall on my head. Yes, I bird every day. -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Sage Sparrow, Provo Airport Dike 10/9/08 From: Eric Huish <poorwill_ AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:24:36 -0600 Reed Stone just called. He told me there are two Sage Sparrows on the Provo Airport Dike between the control tower and the Southwest corner of the dike. Ned Bixler told me he went out to the dike Tuesday evening (after I went around). He couldn't find the Pectoral Sandpiper but he said it was getting too dark to identify all the peeps that were coming in. He did count 4 Least and 18 Western Sandpipers. There were around 50 peeps. All hiding when I was there earlier in the day. We need some kind of outing where we sit there all day and see what comes and goes. ;0) Provo Airport Dike - http://www.utahbirds.org/counties/utahco/ProvoAirportDike.htmEric Huish Pleasant Grove UT poorwill_ AT hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Jordanelle Wetlands - 10/8 - Evening From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:57:16 -0600 Hiked through Jordanelle this evening. Highlights include: - 200+ Cedar Waxwings - Belted Kingfisher - 5 Marsh Wrens - Cassin's Vireo - Great Blue Heron - 10 Song Sparrows - 1 Cooper's Hawk - 50 Black Capped Chickadees - 100+ American Robins - Other unidentified birds lurking in the understory -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Lee Kay Ponds & Yellow Fork Canyon From: "Carl Ingwell" <carlingwell AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:56:21 -0600 Highlights include: Lee Kay Ponds- 2 Common Goldeneye Juv. 3 Pied Billed Grebe, 2 Common Merganser. YF Canyon: 9 Wild Turkey ran out into the middle of trail, Juniper Titmouse, and a flyover of about 100 Pelicans._______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Sandhill Cranes Overhead From: "Kristin Purdy" <kristinpurdy AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:25:34 -0600 'Tis the season for Sandhill Cranes to be flying over my yard on Ogden's east bench, their formations pointing south. I'm glad I happened to be outside on my deck when the distant strain of their garrulous calling reached me. I watched the sky FOREVER, until I was convinced my ears were not deceiving me. A formation of 27 cranes passed at about 1:15 PM and appeared as specks against the fathomless blue. How satisfying! The cranes diverted me from the task I was performing out on the deck--trying to get a scrub jay to take the peanut I was offering between my toes. He or she wouldn't buy it, although my resident pair are working up their courage and coming closer every day. Maybe toe peanuts are simply not their thing. Kris _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <CliffandLisa AT octobersetters.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:36:28 -0600 The response I got from my friend at IBO regarding the Red Butte warbler is: "Looks like some (mostly?) Chestnut-sided to me .... any resolution yet?" That doesn't add much but he has a lot of experience. I didn't tell him which species were being considered, I just asked what he thought. Cliff -- Cliff and Lisa Weisse Island Park, Idaho cliffandlisa AT octobersetters.com _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Salt Lake International Center - 10/7 From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:09:41 -0600 Did a quick drive through the IC this evening before the debate. OREGON JUNCOS are starting to show up in numbers. Also had an ORANGE CROWNED WARBLER and the usual more common recent suspects. A GREAT HORNED OWL low in a tree was watching me long before I spotted him. Good Birding, -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Provo Airport Dike 10/7/08 From: Eric Huish <poorwill_ AT hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:55:21 -0600 Drove around the Provo Airport Dike this afternoon. Best bird was a single Pectoral Sandpiper with the dowitchers and yellowlegs at the East end of the dike. I hope it sticks around for the Big Sit on Sunday. Last week 129 Killdeer, this week 0. Location: Provo Airport Dike - Utah Co. UTObservation date: 10/7/08Number of species: 30 Mallard 1Green-winged Teal 2dabbling duck sp. 3Pied-billed Grebe 4Western/Clark's Grebe 8White-faced Ibis 3Red-tailed Hawk 1American Coot 12American Avocet 13Greater Yellowlegs 11Lesser Yellowlegs 16Pectoral Sandpiper 1Long-billed Dowitcher 39Ring-billed Gull 55California Gull 2Northern Flicker 4Black-billed Magpie 3Black-capped Chickadee 2Marsh Wren 19Ruby-crowned Kinglet 1Blue-gray Gnatcatcher 1 Heard OnlyEuropean Starling 6Orange-crowned Warbler 2Yellow-rumped Warbler 14Spotted Towhee 1 Heard OnlySong Sparrow 5White-crowned Sparrow 12Dark-eyed Junco 4House Finch 12House Sparrow 15 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) Spent a few minutes in at the Provo Cemetery yesterday in hopes if mountain birds. There wasn't much there. Location: Provo Cemetery - Utah Co. UTObservation date: 10/6/08Number of species: 8 Turkey Vulture 1 Fly OverDowny Woodpecker 1Northern Flicker 2Black-billed Magpie 1Black-capped Chickadee 1 Heard OnlyAmerican Robin 13European Starling 1House Finch 6 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) Eric Huish Pleasant Grove UT poorwill_ AT hotmail.com 801-360-8777 _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: San Juan county birds - October 2008 From: Milt Moody <miltonmoody AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:06:17 -0700 (PDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lu Giddings Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM I just returned from four rather soggy days in San Juan county. On Thursday I made the drive through the La Sal mountains over Geyser Pass and into Old La Sal, and then went on to Bluff. Friday took me through the Bear's Ears to Elk Ridge, and then down into Blanding and Recapture Reservoir. I spent much of yesterday trying to bird in the rain in Montezuma Canyon, then made a quick early evening trip to Mexican Hat once the rain stopped. And I made a quick stop this morning in Monticello on the way home. I had hoped that the weather would hold through the weekend but as luck would have it, the storm moved in two days early and left in time for a more or less sunny drive home this afternoon. But the trip was not without its rewards. - a white-winged crossbill was seen late Thursday afternoon at Blue Lake in the La Sals, a few miles south of Geyser Pass. This is, to the best of my knowledge, a first record of this species in the Four Corners area. - I heard what I believe was a pine grosbeak in the same area as the above-mentioned crossbill. Unfortunately I could not find the bird, as I believe this would be a first sighting for the county. - in between rain squalls and hail storms, an American three-toed woodpecker was seen on Elk Ridge a few miles south of the Kigalia station early Friday afternoon. This is the first reported sighting of this species for the county of which I am aware. - Two or more gray jays were seen in three different locations in the La Sals south of Geyser Pass. All sightings occurred at an elevation of 10,200' or more. This is the first reported sighting of this species for the county of which I am aware. - a black phoebe was seen on a pond near the San Juan river put-in in Mexican Hat yesterday afternoon. A few other observations, in random order: - waterfowl numbers were abysmal in the areas I visited. I did not see any waterfowl on Ken's Lake on either Thursday or this afternoon, there were no waterfowl on the Halchita sewage ponds, and they were essentially non-existent on Recapture Reservoir and in the Montezuma Canyon areas I could access. While I typically do not count individuals, I would also say that birds levels were atypically low on the Blanding and Monticello sewage ponds. - pygmy nuthatches were again abundant on Elk Ridge, but for the first time I did not see any red crossbills, either on Elk Ridge or elsewhere on this trip. - an unidentifed raptor flew over yesterday morning as I began the drop into Montezuma canyon. It went past too quickly to get much of a look at it, but my impression is that it may have been a young broad-winged hawk. - nearly 30 turkey vultures were seen in Monticello this morning, mostly sunning themselves on the elk farm fence posts near the sewage ponds. - a flock of 10-15 or more ruby-crowned kinglets were seen in the brush near the top of the canyon on the south of the Bear's Ear Friday morning. I've never seen this many of this species together in one place. - still lots of chipping sparrows up high and Brewer's sparrows down low, and of course the white-crowned sparrows have returned to Bluff and have probably been back for over a month. Lu Giddings Total Count: 67 species Canada Goose Gadwall American Wigeon Mallard Northern Shoveler Northern Pintail Redhead Ruddy Duck Wild Turkey Pied-billed Grebe Eared Grebe Great Blue Heron Turkey Vulture Osprey Northern Harrier Cooper's Hawk Red-tailed Hawk Golden Eagle American Kestrel American Coot Killdeer Spotted Sandpiper Eurasian Collared-Dove Mourning Dove Downy Woodpecker Hairy Woodpecker American Three-toed Woodpecker Northern Flicker Black Phoebe Say's Phoebe Gray Jay Steller's Jay Western Scrub-Jay Clark's Nutcracker Black-billed Magpie American Crow Common Raven Horned Lark Mountain Chickadee Red-breasted Nuthatch White-breasted Nuthatch Pygmy Nuthatch Brown Creeper Rock Wren Bewick's Wren Ruby-crowned Kinglet Western Bluebird Mountain Bluebird Hermit Thrush European Starling Orange-crowned Warbler Yellow-rumped Warbler MacGillivray's Warbler Spotted Towhee Chipping Sparrow Brewer's Sparrow Song Sparrow White-crowned Sparrow Dark-eyed Junco Red-winged Blackbird Western Meadowlark Yellow-headed Blackbird Brewer's Blackbird Great-tailed Grackle House Finch White-winged Crossbill House Sparrow _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Battle Creek Canyon 10/5/08 From: Eric Huish <poorwill_ AT hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:06:05 -0600 Birded the Mouth of Battle Creek Canyon. Nothing too exciting. Battle Creek Canyon is located at the East end of 200 South (Battle Creek Dr.) in Pleasant Grove, Utah County. Location: Battle Creek Canyon - Utah Co. UTObservation date: 10/5/08Number of species: 14 Sharp-shinned Hawk 1American Kestrel 1Downy Woodpecker 1Northern Flicker 1Empidonax sp. 1Western Scrub-Jay 2Black-billed Magpie 6Black-capped Chickadee 3Ruby-crowned Kinglet 7Blue-gray Gnatcatcher 1American Robin 3Spotted Towhee 3Dark-eyed Junco 1House Finch 4 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) Eric Huish Pleasant Grove UT poorwill_ AT hotmail.com 801-360-8777 _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Clay-colored Sparrow, B&W Warb, etc SL County From: "Tim Avery" <tanager AT timaverybirding.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:36:14 -0600 This morning Jeff Bilsky and I headed out to Saltair to do a lake watch, hoping that the wind and rain would push some goodies along the shore. Unfortunately, by the time we got to Saltair just before 8am, the winds were weak, and the storm had all but passed. Besides 1000's of Eared Grebes on the water, a small flock of RED-NECKED PHALAROPE flew past the marina, along wiht one other unidentified shorebird. There were 3 BLUE-WINGED TEAL, 15 Greater Yellowlegs, and 3 Lesser Yellowlegs on the pond jsut south of the marina. And a small flock of Yellow-rumped Warblers were flitting about in the trees here as well. Our next stop was 9000 West and SR-201. Jsut south of the highway in the trees on both sides of 9000 West were 50-60 Yellow-rumped Warblers. THe brunt of the activity was on the east side of the road, where we also found a single female TOWNSEND'S WARBLER, a lone Orange-crowned Warbler, several Ruby-crowned Kinglets, and Jeff had a Cassin's Vireo. We checked out the property on 8000 West around 2200 South where a few White-crowned Sparrow and Yellow-rumped Warbler were hanging out. Nothing else of interest. We made a quick drive past the Lee Kay Ponds, where there were few birds on the ponds. Several pelicans and cormorants were present as well as Eared and Pied-billed Grebes. A late YELLOW-HEADED BLACKBIRD was along the fence-line at the far west end of the west pond. The first ROUGH-LEGGED HAWK of the fall was seen sitting on a telephone pole near 5600 West and 1700 South. We next headed to the International Center where we checked for the Swamp Sparrow reported by Mark last week, but came up empty. I would say there were hundreds of Yellow-rumped Warblers present today. We then stopped just south of the Gas Station, near the Perkin's restaurant and the first bird I spotted on the ground was what looked like a CLAY-COLORED SPARROW. At the same time Jeff was getting out of the car and spotted a warbler that looked to be a BLACK-AND-WHITE WARBLER. And at the same time my phone rang, as Colby was showing up trying to find us. In all the turmoil, combined with what seemed like a high volume of traffic for a Sunday at the IC, the sparrow flock flew off, and by the time I got out of the car to see the warbler it had flown off. Colby found a CLAY-COLORED SPARROW about 15 minutes later on the south side of the large field just north of the restaurant (on the east side of the hotel that it is connected to). In this same area we had a Cassin's Vireo, Red-naped Sapsucker and a Green-tailed Towhee and 5 American Crow (which may have been new for the IC list in eBird). We checked out a few other spots and made our way to the middle of the IC near the Intersection of Lindbergh and Earhart. We kind of plit up and wlaked around, not seeing a whole lot. Colby and I ended up in the parking lot on the southwest side of the Fox 13 building where several warblers were in the trees, including: Wilson's, MacGillivray's, Orange-crowned and yellow-rumped. As I pished the bird that I thought was a Townsend's Warbler flew in, and after passing it off as just odd, we went on our way, unfortunately, I was the only one who saw it :(. Colby found a Hammond's Flycatcher near the intersection, and several Turkey Vulture were seen flying over the area. Jeff found a Hermit Thrush in the same area. We also birded along Wright Brothers Drive north of the intersection with Earhart where a juvenile Sapsucker was seen 3 or 4 times breifly. It was a RN/YB type, but didn't want to sit still for a look. Not a bad day at the IC, the kind that makes it such a great place to go! And if I missed or forgot anything, Colby and/or Jeff can add their own email! Good Birding Tim Salt Lake City, Utah tanager AT timaverybirding.com http://www.timaverybirding.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Blackburnian or Townsend's Warbler... Pix From: "Tim Avery" <tanager AT timaverybirding.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:41:49 -0600 Here are the two pictures where the bird isn hidden by foliage or too out of focus to tell its a bird. Any thoughts or comments welcome. http://www.timaverybirding.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=547 Thanks, Tim Salt Lake City, Utah tanager AT timaverybirding.com http://www.timaverybirding.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Blackburnian or Townsend's Warbler... Pix From: "Tim Avery" <tanager AT timaverybirding.com> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:41:49 -0600 Here are the two pictures where the bird isn hidden by foliage or too out of focus to tell its a bird. Any thoughts or comments welcome. http://www.timaverybirding.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=547 Thanks, Tim Salt Lake City, Utah tanager AT timaverybirding.com http://www.timaverybirding.com_______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Possible BLACKBURNIAN WARBLER at the IC From: western.tanager AT gmail.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:10:09 +0000 So I am sending this hesitantly because I made a big oops on this one. This morning Colby Neuman, Jeff Bilsky and I were birding the Salt Lake International Center when I spotted what looked like a very pale Townsend's Warbler near the Fox 13 building. I started calling Colby. Over because superficially the bird resembled a Blackburnian Warbler, with an almost orangel-yellow wash on the head. But I decided it was just a Townsend's and told him nevermind. I looked at the few pictures I snapped a little later while we were birding and thought something didn't look quite right, so I went to the car to look at the field guide. I was immediately concerned that the bird I saw didn't have any yellow on its flanks, the wash of color on the head faded into the light chest. There we're very fant gray streaks down the sides and what looked like a darker top edge to the auricular patch, giving the bird a darkish eyeline. We returned and spent about 30 minutes looking for the bird without luck. The area was just north of the T intersection of earhart and lindbergh on the west side of the Fox 13 Building. So if you are interested in looking around go for it. I am not convinced either way of the I'd at this point. Good Birding Tim Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Salt Lake International Center - 10/4 - TOWNSEND'S WARBLER From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:48:14 -0600 Birded the IC this morning for a couple hours in the rain. Saw my first of the fall DARK EYED JUNCO, as well as a LINCOLN'S SPARROW and then a TOWNSEND'S WARBLER. A couple large flocks of YELLOW RUMPED WARBLERS were moving around as well with RUBY CROWNED KINGLETS. This was all in the vicinity of Fox news with the TOWA being right in front of Fox in the trees with the flagpoles. Good Birding. Location: Salt Lake Internation Center, SL Co. Observation date: 10/4/08 Number of species: 15 Canada Goose 15 Mallard 2 American Kestrel 1 Killdeer 6 Mourning Dove 2 Barn Swallow 8 Black-capped Chickadee 2 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 5 American Robin 1 European Starling 500 Yellow-rumped Warbler 40 Townsend's Warbler 1 Lincoln's Sparrow 1 Dark-eyed Junco 1 House Sparrow 2 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: "J. Harry Krueger" <hkrueger AT cableone.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:28:10 -0600 I've been trying to resist responding to these intriguing warbler photos, simply because of a curmudgeon belief that photos often muddy the waters rather than document the obvious. (Why is the "id quiz" such a popular staple of many printed bird magazines and internet bird sites? Because usually, photos are less than obvious because of partial views, lighting, angle, etc.) In this particular case, I would go back to the oft used (but more often overlooked) primary guideline for all avian rarity seekers: "If you hear hoof beats, it probably isn't a herd of zebras" (unless you're standing on the Serengeti). And although always a possibility, id as a hybrid is all too often the easy way around the more obvious. For the reasons already very well stated by Rick Fridell (and hinted at by others), I believe this to be a *Yellow-rumped Warbler*. Would the photographer have noted the "obvious yellow rump?" Not necessarily. I've seen many a YRWA that did a great job of not showing the "obvious," a situation that I believe could be intensified when an observer is looking through a camera viewfinder, trying to take documenting photos. In my initial puzzlement (and "zebra perspective") over the photos, I too felt the bird came closest to a Pine Warbler, but also could not reconcile the "eye ring" with the otherwise congruent field marks for this super rarity from the east. Ask yourself the obvious question: If this bird has a yellow rump, what species does it fit most readily? I believe that the answer is just as obvious... this is an example of the highly variable (more so than any other western warbler we see) Yellow-rumped Warbler. J. Harry Krueger Boise, ID J. Harry Krueger Boise, ID On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Steve Carr wrote: > Besides the photos that have been seen, Carol, who photographed the bird, > probably would have seen several flashes of the yellow rump as the bird > flitted through the tree. If she didn't report it, likely she didn't see > any yellow in the rump. > > --Steve Carr > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Cliff and Lisa Weisse > *To:* Birdtalk > *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2008 10:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Birdtalk] Re: Red Butte Warbler ID > > The more I look at this one the more I feel it's likely a hybrid that > includes CSWA as one parent. Regarding whether it's a Yellow-rumped the > pale spot on the back in photo #3 extends quite a way to the side of the > rump, doesn't contrast much with the rest of the upperparts, and > actually looks lime green rather than bright yellow, a better fit for > CSWA. Other points against YRWA include extensively pale lower mandible > (I can't recall seeing a YRWA with a pale bill) and the shape of the > pale throat area which in my experience with YRWA is always triangular > and wider at the breast, not parallel edged as this bird shows. Also > one of the tertial edges in photo #2 looks bright yellow. YRWA can have > buffy tertial edges but not yellow. Of course that's assuming the color > is as it appears in that photo which may not be correct. > > I sent a note about this bird to a friend at the IBO research station at > Lucky Peak (Idaho) asking what he thinks. I'll forward his reply if he > offers an opinion. > > Cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: "Steve Carr" <stevecarr9 AT msn.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:31:51 -0600 Besides the photos that have been seen, Carol, who photographed the bird, probably would have seen several flashes of the yellow rump as the bird flitted through the tree. If she didn't report it, likely she didn't see any yellow in the rump. --Steve Carr ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse To: Birdtalk Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Birdtalk] Re: Red Butte Warbler ID The more I look at this one the more I feel it's likely a hybrid that includes CSWA as one parent. Regarding whether it's a Yellow-rumped the pale spot on the back in photo #3 extends quite a way to the side of the rump, doesn't contrast much with the rest of the upperparts, and actually looks lime green rather than bright yellow, a better fit for CSWA. Other points against YRWA include extensively pale lower mandible (I can't recall seeing a YRWA with a pale bill) and the shape of the pale throat area which in my experience with YRWA is always triangular and wider at the breast, not parallel edged as this bird shows. Also one of the tertial edges in photo #2 looks bright yellow. YRWA can have buffy tertial edges but not yellow. Of course that's assuming the color is as it appears in that photo which may not be correct. I sent a note about this bird to a friend at the IBO research station at Lucky Peak (Idaho) asking what he thinks. I'll forward his reply if he offers an opinion. Cliff _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <CliffandLisa AT octobersetters.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:56:05 -0600 The more I look at this one the more I feel it's likely a hybrid that includes CSWA as one parent. Regarding whether it's a Yellow-rumped the pale spot on the back in photo #3 extends quite a way to the side of the rump, doesn't contrast much with the rest of the upperparts, and actually looks lime green rather than bright yellow, a better fit for CSWA. Other points against YRWA include extensively pale lower mandible (I can't recall seeing a YRWA with a pale bill) and the shape of the pale throat area which in my experience with YRWA is always triangular and wider at the breast, not parallel edged as this bird shows. Also one of the tertial edges in photo #2 looks bright yellow. YRWA can have buffy tertial edges but not yellow. Of course that's assuming the color is as it appears in that photo which may not be correct. I sent a note about this bird to a friend at the IBO research station at Lucky Peak (Idaho) asking what he thinks. I'll forward his reply if he offers an opinion. Cliff Rick Fridell wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This is indeed an intriguing warbler. > > I think it clearly is not a Blackpoll or Bay-breasted Warbler, primarily for > all the reasons Craig outlined. In addition, among other important missing > characteristics a fall Blackpoll or Bay-breasted should show more distinctly > white-tipped primaries. > > I agree it superficially resembles a first fall Chestnut-sided Warbler, but > there are a couple major problems with this. First and foremost, the warbler > shows significant (blurry) streaking on the chest, sides, and flanks > (particularly evident in photo 4). This streaking is inconsistent with any > Chestnut-sided Warbler plumage. Also, a fall Chestnut-sided Warbler should > show a marked contrast between the face and crown and a slight contrast > between the face and white throat. This bird appears to show a strong > contrast between the throat and the face but no evident contrast between the > auriculars and crown. I agree the wingbars appear yellowish in a couple of > the photos (good for Chestnut-sided), but I'm not convinced this isn't an > artifact of the lighting in the photos. > > I'm a little surprised no one has brought up a first-fall Pine Warbler. > Many characters visible in the photos (particularly photos 4,5, and 6) fit > well for a young Pine Warbler (auricular pattern / throat contrast, breast > smudging / streaking, bill color, tail pattern and length, etc.). However I > think Photo 1 shows indistinct streaking on the back (although it's hard to > tell for sure) and as hard as I try to split the eye-ring, it just looks too > complete at the rear of eye, and unfortunately these characters should > eliminate a Pine Warbler. > > So after trying to make it fit a vagrant eastern warbler, I'm actually back > to a more obvious and probable candidate (as Matt and Cliff hinted > towards),...... I believe it is actually a first fall Yellow-rumped Warbler. > > I really don't see any features on this bird that would be terribly > inconsistent with a first fall Yellow-rumped Warbler. As Matt pointed out, > the complete or nearly complete eye-ring is fairly common on "some drab fall > female yellow-rumps". In every photo the eye-ring appears to be slightly > incomplete towards the front of the eye (appropriate for a yellow-rump). The > auricular and throat contrast is appropriate for first-fall yellow-rumps as > well, which often show whitish throats and chins. Other characteristics are > also consistent with a young Yellow-rump Warbler, including the indistinct > streaking on the breast, sides and flanks; the back pattern (thin indistinct > streaking, in photos 1 and 2); the prominent wingbars, tertial and primary > edging; the overall proportions, etc. Tail length (projection past undertail > coverts) looks a bit short for a yellow-rump, but this is hard to judge in > the photos, and the appearance can be easily influenced by the angle of the > photo. I would also expect a yellow-rump's bill to be darker overall, but > young birds can show a paler area at the base of the lower mandible. Also I > think the tail pattern shown in one of Carol's newly posted photos (#4) is a > better fit for a Yellow-rumped Warbler and shows too much black in the tips > of the outer retrices for a chestnut-sided. Of course all plumages of > Yellow-rumped Warblers should show an obvious yellow rump, and I actually > think a bit of the yellow rump may be visible in Photo 3 (lighter areas), > although it's hard to judge with the shadows in the photos. If that's not a > yellow rump than disregard all of the above, and I don't know what it is. > > A special thanks to Carol for sharing the photos and providing the extra > images. It's always fun to puzzle over a good old fashioned "confusing fall > warbler". > > Regards, > > Rick Fridell > Hurricane, UT -- Cliff and Lisa Weisse Island Park, Idaho cliffandlisa AT octobersetters.com _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: RE: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: "Rick Fridell" <rfridell AT burgoyne.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:14:36 -0600 Hello Everyone, This is indeed an intriguing warbler. I think it clearly is not a Blackpoll or Bay-breasted Warbler, primarily for all the reasons Craig outlined. In addition, among other important missing characteristics a fall Blackpoll or Bay-breasted should show more distinctly white-tipped primaries. I agree it superficially resembles a first fall Chestnut-sided Warbler, but there are a couple major problems with this. First and foremost, the warbler shows significant (blurry) streaking on the chest, sides, and flanks (particularly evident in photo 4). This streaking is inconsistent with any Chestnut-sided Warbler plumage. Also, a fall Chestnut-sided Warbler should show a marked contrast between the face and crown and a slight contrast between the face and white throat. This bird appears to show a strong contrast between the throat and the face but no evident contrast between the auriculars and crown. I agree the wingbars appear yellowish in a couple of the photos (good for Chestnut-sided), but I'm not convinced this isn't an artifact of the lighting in the photos. I'm a little surprised no one has brought up a first-fall Pine Warbler. Many characters visible in the photos (particularly photos 4,5, and 6) fit well for a young Pine Warbler (auricular pattern / throat contrast, breast smudging / streaking, bill color, tail pattern and length, etc.). However I think Photo 1 shows indistinct streaking on the back (although it's hard to tell for sure) and as hard as I try to split the eye-ring, it just looks too complete at the rear of eye, and unfortunately these characters should eliminate a Pine Warbler. So after trying to make it fit a vagrant eastern warbler, I'm actually back to a more obvious and probable candidate (as Matt and Cliff hinted towards),...... I believe it is actually a first fall Yellow-rumped Warbler. I really don't see any features on this bird that would be terribly inconsistent with a first fall Yellow-rumped Warbler. As Matt pointed out, the complete or nearly complete eye-ring is fairly common on "some drab fall female yellow-rumps". In every photo the eye-ring appears to be slightly incomplete towards the front of the eye (appropriate for a yellow-rump). The auricular and throat contrast is appropriate for first-fall yellow-rumps as well, which often show whitish throats and chins. Other characteristics are also consistent with a young Yellow-rump Warbler, including the indistinct streaking on the breast, sides and flanks; the back pattern (thin indistinct streaking, in photos 1 and 2); the prominent wingbars, tertial and primary edging; the overall proportions, etc. Tail length (projection past undertail coverts) looks a bit short for a yellow-rump, but this is hard to judge in the photos, and the appearance can be easily influenced by the angle of the photo. I would also expect a yellow-rump's bill to be darker overall, but young birds can show a paler area at the base of the lower mandible. Also I think the tail pattern shown in one of Carol's newly posted photos (#4) is a better fit for a Yellow-rumped Warbler and shows too much black in the tips of the outer retrices for a chestnut-sided. Of course all plumages of Yellow-rumped Warblers should show an obvious yellow rump, and I actually think a bit of the yellow rump may be visible in Photo 3 (lighter areas), although it's hard to judge with the shadows in the photos. If that's not a yellow rump than disregard all of the above, and I don't know what it is. A special thanks to Carol for sharing the photos and providing the extra images. It's always fun to puzzle over a good old fashioned "confusing fall warbler". Regards, Rick Fridell Hurricane, UT -----Original Message----- From: birdtalk-bounces AT utahbirds.org [mailto:birdtalk-bounces AT utahbirds.org]On Behalf Of Matt Mills Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:47 PM To: birdtalk AT utahbirds.org Subject: [Birdtalk] Re: Red Butte Warbler ID Hey all, To me the most interesting feature on this bird is the head. It seems to be clean and greyish with the eye-ring the only prominent feature. Also, the clean demarcation of the contrasting lighter throat and how all of the streaking on the breast begins along a straight line. To me these features, along with the undertail pattern make this bird look a bit like a Yellow-rumped Warbler. I realize other things are missing (and that it's almost certainly NOT a YRWA, but I'm just chiming in here) - there doesn't appear to be any yellow on the rump in Photo #3 , the back appears quite green in Photo #2, there is no eye line in any of the photos and the eyering appears to be complete - But some drab fall female yellow-rumps show a fairly plain grayish head and rather complete white eyering. Anyways, the shape and expression seem to best fit Chestnut-sided Warbler, as does the colour and pattern of the back, and the fact that the edges of the secondaries appear yellowish (much more so than the wingbars). It's just the streaking on the breast that calls it into question. I still think that Blackpoll and Bay-breasted are possibilities given the variability that exists in their fall plumages, and the similiarities between the species. Hopefully this weekend turns up more warblers. Cheers Matt Mills _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <CliffandLisa AT octobersetters.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:27:28 -0600 After looking at the new photos I had the same reaction as Matt, this bird superficially resembles Yellow-rumped but I agree that it's not a Yellowrump. But the obvious streaking on the breast calls into question whether this is a "pure" CSWA. The complete eye ring in combination with bright wing bars is only shown by CSWA and Magnolia Warbler. Since it doesn't fit either species it may well be a hybrid. Thanks for posting the additional photos. Cliff Matt Mills wrote: > Hey all, > > To me the most interesting feature on this bird is the head. It seems to be clean and greyish with the eye-ring the only prominent feature. Also, the clean demarcation of the contrasting lighter throat and how all of the streaking on the breast begins along a straight line. To me these features, along with the undertail pattern make this bird look a bit like a Yellow-rumped Warbler. > > I realize other things are missing (and that it's almost certainly NOT a YRWA, but I'm just chiming in here) - there doesn't appear to be any yellow on the rump in Photo #3 , the back appears quite green in Photo #2, there is no eye line in any of the photos and the eyering appears to be complete - But some drab fall female yellow-rumps show a fairly plain grayish head and rather complete white eyering. > > > Anyways, the shape and expression seem to best fit Chestnut-sided Warbler, as does the colour and pattern of the back, and the fact that the edges of the secondaries appear yellowish (much more so than the wingbars). It's just the streaking on the breast that calls it into question. > > I still think that Blackpoll and Bay-breasted are possibilities given the variability that exists in their fall plumages, and the similiarities between the species. > > Hopefully this weekend turns up more warblers. > > Cheers > > Matt Mills > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk > > > > -- Cliff and Lisa Weisse Island Park, Idaho cliffandlisa AT octobersetters.com _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Pinyon Jay Comments From: Brian Maxfield <bmaxfield AT ubtanet.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:11:09 -0600 After the previous posts concerning Pinyon Jays showing up in strange places this year I have kept better track of their locations when I've seen them. At least here in the Uinta Basin, the pine nut crop seems to be lower than the last couple of years. I've seen several flocks in the pinyon/juniper areas in the west side of the Basin and on the Book Cliffs. However, every year I observe Pinyon Jays in areas with low numbers of pinyon trees. This was the case last year even when the pine nut crop was tremendous. I speculate the jays move into areas with good berry production. Thanks to the heavy snowfall last winter, berry production has been great this year. I have seen Pinyon Jays in chokecherry, serviceberry, and buffaloberry patches this year (and in previous years). I even have a small flock (10-12) that frequents my orchard. I have seen them in apple and apricot trees. I suspect that some of the surprising movements of Pinyon Jays this year could be attributed to them searching for the berry patches that have produced so well this year. Brian _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: Red Butte Warbler ID From: Matt Mills <mattymills2005 AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Hey all, To me the most interesting feature on this bird is the head. It seems to be clean and greyish with the eye-ring the only prominent feature. Also, the clean demarcation of the contrasting lighter throat and how all of the streaking on the breast begins along a straight line. To me these features, along with the undertail pattern make this bird look a bit like a Yellow-rumped Warbler. I realize other things are missing (and that it's almost certainly NOT a YRWA, but I'm just chiming in here) - there doesn't appear to be any yellow on the rump in Photo #3 , the back appears quite green in Photo #2, there is no eye line in any of the photos and the eyering appears to be complete - But some drab fall female yellow-rumps show a fairly plain grayish head and rather complete white eyering. Anyways, the shape and expression seem to best fit Chestnut-sided Warbler, as does the colour and pattern of the back, and the fact that the edges of the secondaries appear yellowish (much more so than the wingbars). It's just the streaking on the breast that calls it into question. I still think that Blackpoll and Bay-breasted are possibilities given the variability that exists in their fall plumages, and the similiarities between the species. Hopefully this weekend turns up more warblers. Cheers Matt Mills _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Additional Photo of the Mystery Warbler From: Milt Moody <miltonmoody AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Carol Gwynn has sent in more picture of the "mystery warbler of Red Butte Gardens" ~MGM http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: 10/2 - Swede Lane, River Lane, Provo/Springville From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:25:15 -0600 After work, headed down Kuhni Road in Provo and saw a BELTED KINGFISHER. Headed over to Swede Lane next. In the fields around there were many SANDHILL CRANES. The proverbial bird deck has definitely been shuffled in that area. Saw the first SPOTTED TOWHEES I have seen out on Swede in quite some time. WHITE CROWNED SPARROWS everywhere and a plethora of YELLOW RUMPED WARBLERS. The end of Swede Lane, by the lake, was especially birdy. Chattering MARSH WRENS, and some noisy WESTERN GREBES led the charge. A lone ORANGE CROWNDED WARBLER asked to be noticed. I also flushed a GREAT HORNED OWL as I drove past a large tree. Got to River Lane too late to do any real in depth birding - didn't see much - what I more noticed was how all the COMMON NIGHTHAWKS have vanished. Swede list below. May your birding be good. Location: Swede Lane (Utah Co.) Observation date: 10/2/08 Number of species: 18 Ring-necked Pheasant 1 Western Grebe 5 American Coot 2 Sandhill Crane 20 Great Horned Owl 1 Northern Flicker 1 Black-billed Magpie 3 Barn Swallow X Black-capped Chickadee 3 Marsh Wren 15 American Robin 5 European Starling X Orange-crowned Warbler 1 Yellow-rumped Warbler 50 Spotted Towhee 2 Song Sparrow 4 White-crowned Sparrow 30 Western Meadowlark 1 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Ouray NWR General Waterbird Survey From: Diane_Penttila AT fws.gov Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:17:29 -0600 Ouray National Wildlife Refuge General Waterbird Survey 10/2/08 Water has finally receded off most of the wetland dikes. For this time of year, we have a lot of water. Except for cranes, migration has been slow. The following birds were seen within the survey route: Canada geese 896 Mallard 297 Gadwall 458 Cinnamon teal 50 Green-winged teal 375 Northern shoveler 174 Northern pintail 60 American wigeon 307 Wood duck 2 Ruddy duck 26 Redhead 3 American coot 605 Sandhill crane 148 Snowy egret 9 Great egret 2 Black-crowned night heron 7 Great blue heron 26 Double-crested cormorant 72 American pelican 60 White-faced ibis 37 American bittern 3 Wilson's snipe 1 Killdeer 6 Lesser yellowlegs 4 Dowitcher spp. 180 Pied-billed grebe 43 Western grebe 285 Clark's grebe 16 Northern harrier 2 American kestrel 1 Red-tailed hawk 1 Ring-billed gull 16 Diane Penttila Ouray NWR Randlett, UT (435)545-2522 x 12 diane_penttila AT fws.gov _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Sandhill Cranes, Cache Co. From: "Craig Fosdick" <craig.fosdick AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:29 -0600 Stepped out of the office today (1100 am) and heard lots of Sandhill Cranes calling. Several flocks totaling at least 125 birds were kettling and flying around out over 3200 W north of Utah Hwy 30 in Cache Co., apparently moving south or preparing to. Good birding, Craig Fosdick Logan, Utah._______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <CliffandLisa AT octobersetters.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:20:16 -0600 This has been an interesting discussion. While the photos may not be ideal I feel they show definitively that this is not a Blackpoll. The complete eye ring and plain face, contrasting white throat, and brownish looking smudgy streaking that extends to the throat are not consistent with Blackpoll. In addition the primary projection looks short, the tail extends a bit too far beyond the undertail coverts, and the bill looks wide. All this is consistent with CSWA, which I think this bird is. The bottom photo shows a spot of yellowish on the nape that seems right for CSWA, there's a hint of a blackish streak below and in front of the eye, and the legs look grayish on my monitor (after lightening in Photoshop - http://octoberweb.com/birds/MysteryCG2edited.jpg). The only thing that seems odd for CSWA is the apparent dusky streaking on the breast/belly and I don't know if that's enough to suggest a hybrid? Good birding. Cliff Mark Stackhouse wrote: > Fall Blackpoll is one of the toughest of the warblers to id, and shows > a lot of variability, much as Yellow-rumped do. But if this bird is a > hybrid, it is an even harder task (and no way to know if you're even > close to right short of DNA analysis) to tell what the parents might > be. I've always been very skeptical of such speculations, and am > amused with how often, when DNA analysis is actually done, that the > speculations were wildly off-base. Hybrids can show an amazing range > of characteristics, sometimes ones that neither parent has. > > Mark Stackhouse > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Craig Fosdick wrote: > >> Mark, you and Brandon might be right, it might be a hybrid, but I >> doubt it is a CSWA X Blackpoll. I'm content to go with unidentified >> warbler. >> >> I agree with you about the streaks on the side; those don't fit for >> CSWA. But I still don't think it's a Blackpoll, the head (eyering, >> pale bill, no eyestripe) is all wrong from what I see in both field >> guides, even from the angle we are looking at. if you can see that >> distinct white eyering, than you should be able to see other details, >> such as an eyestripe (which is not present). Overall, the bird just >> does not fit the Blackpolls I have seen in the field in upstate NY. >> >> Who knows? Does anyone else have any thoughts? I do not have time >> to go look for the bird, if it is still there. Has anyone else >> looked for the bird? >> >> Good birding, Craig. >> >> Craig Fosdick >> Logan, Utah. >> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mark Stackhouse > > wrote: >> >> It may be my monitor, but I don't see enough green on this bird >> to be a Chestnut-sided. And CSWA shouldn't have any streaking of >> the type and color seen on the flanks of this bird. I agree that >> the face looks much more like CSWA than Blackpoll, but I did see >> some images of Blackpoll on Vireo that weren't too far from this >> bird, especially when you consider the angle of the head in these >> photos, that makes the facial details harder to see clearly. >> >> However, this bird has enough anomalies that I strongly >> considered a hybrid (though I didn't mention it in my first >> post), and I'm inclined to agree with Brandon Percival that >> hybrid may be the best call for this bird. I'm always reluctant >> to play the "hybrid" card on tough id's, unless it's something >> that clearly shows contradictory characteristics. And if this is >> a hybrid, the next question is of what species? I can't find any >> records in the literature of CSWA x BLPW, but since they're in >> they same genus, it would seem possible. >> >> In any event, there's no doubt that this bird does not have a >> clear, straightforward i.d. >> >> Mark Stackhouse >> >> On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Craig Fosdick wrote: >> >>> All- >>> >>> Hmmm....I don't think it is a Blackpoll; I just saw about 10 in >>> upstate NY 10-14 days ago (along with CSWA and others), and the >>> white eye ring is way too pronounced on this bird to be a >>> Blackpoll. Also, Blackpolls have dark eyestripes with thin >>> eyerings; this bird has no eyestripe. Can't say anything >>> conlcusive about the streaking; some fall male CSWA should have >>> solid chestnut streaks; perhaps this is a first-year male? (my >>> Peterson warbler guide is not at hand). Also, Blackpolls should >>> have black bills, not pale bills; this bird has a pale bill. >>> And whitish undertail coverts are consisent with CSWA. >>> Blackpolls also are much drabber, even on the face, and should >>> not be bright lime-green on face and back. Legs appear to be >>> mostly concealed by foliage, I'm struggling with the color on >>> this. Fall male CSWA do have streaks on the back, which this >>> bird has. >>> >>> I vote CSWA, for whatever it's worth. Perhaps someone can >>> relocate the bird and get better/more looks/photos? >>> >>> Craig Fosdick >>> Logan, Utah. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark Stackhouse >>> > wrote: >>> >>> This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. >>> >>> The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, >>> but it doesn't look green enough on the back, or (perhaps >>> more importantly since the back isn't as clearly seen or >>> well lit in these photos) the underparts clear and >>> unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should not have the >>> streaking on the flanks that this bird has. >>> >>> Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit >>> warmer on the flanks, and again the sides should be less >>> streaked. Also, the under-tail coverts should be more buffy; >>> these appear to me to be whitish. >>> >>> I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has >>> streaking on the flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail >>> coverts appear whitish. Also, the legs and feet appear pale >>> or yellowish to me in the second photo, good for Blackpoll, >>> but the others should have black legs. The face seems plain >>> for Blackpoll, but I think it's within the range of >>> variation for this species. >>> >>> Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. >>> >>> Mark Stackhouse >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: >>> >>> Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red >>> Butte Gardens in SLC and would like some opinions on its >>> ID. ~ MGM >>> >>> http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Birdtalk mailing list >>> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >>> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Birdtalk mailing list >>> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >>> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Birdtalk mailing list >>> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >>> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk -- Cliff and Lisa Weisse Island Park, Idaho cliffandlisa AT octobersetters.com _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: ID Request - Thanks From: Carol Gwynn <cgwynn AT earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:45:37 -0600 Thanks to all who submitted ideas on the mystery warbler. Even though the bird remains unidentified, the discussion has been worthwhile. It certainly didn't fit anything I could identify. Now I don't feel so bad! Maybe this bird needs to go in Birding for the ABA bird quiz. With a storm front expected this weekend, maybe some more interesting critters will wander in. . . Carol Gwynn _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Bear River Bird Count From: Bridget_Olson AT fws.gov Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:23:03 -0600 Bear River Refuge Waterbird/Raptor Survey 9/25/08 Total number of waterfowl around 188,000. This is just slightly below the long-term average for this week in September of 205,000. The number of American green-winged teal and gadwall were higher than average while northern shoveler and American wigeon were somewhat lower than average. Diving duck numbers were about three times higher than the average for this week in September. Unusually high concentrations of ruddy duck and ring-necked duck. All time high Refuge counts for both species. Canada Goose numbers right at average. Total number shorebirds was about 13,000. This is just slightly above the long term average of 12,000. Monthly high count of Greater Yellowlegs and Dowitchers. Just began filling the main auto-tour-loop wetland unit today (Oct. 1) as river flow has finally increased. All hunt units are either full or have begun to fill with the exception of Units 3H and 3I due to the on-going road construction project. Refuge Road is Open. Canada Goose 1415 Mallard 16681 Pintail 36272 Green-winged Teal 33431 Cinnamon Teal 3005 Northern Shoveler 23228 Gadwall 33806 Wigeon 9768 Unk. Dabbler 600 Canvasback 865 Redhead 1727 Ring-necked Duck 4033 Ruddy Duck 23053 Eared Grebe 8 Western Grebe 7 Clark's Grebe 1 A.W. Pelican 189 DC Cormorant 238 Great Blue Heron 54 Snowy Egret 28 BC Night Heron 14 White-faced Ibis 281 Killdeer 13 Black-necked Stilt 37 Am. Avocet 302 Greater Yellowlegs 53 Long Billed Curlew 3 Marbled Godwit 220 Dowitcher spp. 12,970 Franklin's Gull 3379 Ring billed gull 2841 California gull 249 Coot 8624 Sandhill Crane 3 Turkey Vulture 2 Golden Eagle 2 Northern Harrier 10 Red-tailed Hawk 1 Peregrine Falcon 1 Bridget Olson Wildlife Biologist Bear River Migratory Bird Refuge 2155 West Forest St. Brigham City, UT 84302 Phone: 435/734-6433 _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Re: ID request From: Mark Stackhouse <westwings AT sisna.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:54:17 -0600 Fall Blackpoll is one of the toughest of the warblers to id, and shows a lot of variability, much as Yellow-rumped do. But if this bird is a hybrid, it is an even harder task (and no way to know if you're even close to right short of DNA analysis) to tell what the parents might be. I've always been very skeptical of such speculations, and am amused with how often, when DNA analysis is actually done, that the speculations were wildly off-base. Hybrids can show an amazing range of characteristics, sometimes ones that neither parent has. Mark Stackhouse On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Craig Fosdick wrote: > Mark, you and Brandon might be right, it might be a hybrid, but I > doubt it is a CSWA X Blackpoll. I'm content to go with unidentified > warbler. > > I agree with you about the streaks on the side; those don't fit for > CSWA. But I still don't think it's a Blackpoll, the head (eyering, > pale bill, no eyestripe) is all wrong from what I see in both field > guides, even from the angle we are looking at. if you can see that > distinct white eyering, than you should be able to see other > details, such as an eyestripe (which is not present). Overall, the > bird just does not fit the Blackpolls I have seen in the field in > upstate NY. > > Who knows? Does anyone else have any thoughts? I do not have time > to go look for the bird, if it is still there. Has anyone else > looked for the bird? > > Good birding, Craig. > > Craig Fosdick > Logan, Utah. > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mark Stackhouse > wrote: > It may be my monitor, but I don't see enough green on this bird to > be a Chestnut-sided. And CSWA shouldn't have any streaking of the > type and color seen on the flanks of this bird. I agree that the > face looks much more like CSWA than Blackpoll, but I did see some > images of Blackpoll on Vireo that weren't too far from this bird, > especially when you consider the angle of the head in these photos, > that makes the facial details harder to see clearly. > > However, this bird has enough anomalies that I strongly considered a > hybrid (though I didn't mention it in my first post), and I'm > inclined to agree with Brandon Percival that hybrid may be the best > call for this bird. I'm always reluctant to play the "hybrid" card > on tough id's, unless it's something that clearly shows > contradictory characteristics. And if this is a hybrid, the next > question is of what species? I can't find any records in the > literature of CSWA x BLPW, but since they're in they same genus, it > would seem possible. > > In any event, there's no doubt that this bird does not have a clear, > straightforward i.d. > > Mark Stackhouse > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Craig Fosdick wrote: > >> All- >> >> Hmmm....I don't think it is a Blackpoll; I just saw about 10 in >> upstate NY 10-14 days ago (along with CSWA and others), and the >> white eye ring is way too pronounced on this bird to be a >> Blackpoll. Also, Blackpolls have dark eyestripes with thin >> eyerings; this bird has no eyestripe. Can't say anything >> conlcusive about the streaking; some fall male CSWA should have >> solid chestnut streaks; perhaps this is a first-year male? (my >> Peterson warbler guide is not at hand). Also, Blackpolls should >> have black bills, not pale bills; this bird has a pale bill. And >> whitish undertail coverts are consisent with CSWA. Blackpolls also >> are much drabber, even on the face, and should not be bright lime- >> green on face and back. Legs appear to be mostly concealed by >> foliage, I'm struggling with the color on this. Fall male CSWA do >> have streaks on the back, which this bird has. >> >> I vote CSWA, for whatever it's worth. Perhaps someone can relocate >> the bird and get better/more looks/photos? >> >> Craig Fosdick >> Logan, Utah. >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark Stackhouse > > wrote: >> This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. >> >> The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, but it >> doesn't look green enough on the back, or (perhaps more importantly >> since the back isn't as clearly seen or well lit in these photos) >> the underparts clear and unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should >> not have the streaking on the flanks that this bird has. >> >> Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit warmer >> on the flanks, and again the sides should be less streaked. Also, >> the under-tail coverts should be more buffy; these appear to me to >> be whitish. >> >> I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has streaking on >> the flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail coverts appear >> whitish. Also, the legs and feet appear pale or yellowish to me in >> the second photo, good for Blackpoll, but the others should have >> black legs. The face seems plain for Blackpoll, but I think it's >> within the range of variation for this species. >> >> Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. >> >> Mark Stackhouse >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: >> >> Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens >> in SLC and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM >> >> http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Birdtalk mailing list >> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Birdtalk mailing list >> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Birdtalk mailing list >> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk > > _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: "Craig Fosdick" <craig.fosdick AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:49:12 -0600 Mark, you and Brandon might be right, it might be a hybrid, but I doubt it is a CSWA X Blackpoll. I'm content to go with unidentified warbler. I agree with you about the streaks on the side; those don't fit for CSWA. But I still don't think it's a Blackpoll, the head (eyering, pale bill, no eyestripe) is all wrong from what I see in both field guides, even from the angle we are looking at. if you can see that distinct white eyering, than you should be able to see other details, such as an eyestripe (which is not present). Overall, the bird just does not fit the Blackpolls I have seen in the field in upstate NY. Who knows? Does anyone else have any thoughts? I do not have time to go look for the bird, if it is still there. Has anyone else looked for the bird? Good birding, Craig. Craig Fosdick Logan, Utah. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mark Stackhouse wrote: > It may be my monitor, but I don't see enough green on this bird to be a > Chestnut-sided. And CSWA shouldn't have any streaking of the type and color > seen on the flanks of this bird. I agree that the face looks much more like > CSWA than Blackpoll, but I did see some images of Blackpoll on Vireo that > weren't too far from this bird, especially when you consider the angle of > the head in these photos, that makes the facial details harder to see > clearly. > However, this bird has enough anomalies that I strongly considered a hybrid > (though I didn't mention it in my first post), and I'm inclined to agree > with Brandon Percival that hybrid may be the best call for this bird. I'm > always reluctant to play the "hybrid" card on tough id's, unless it's > something that clearly shows contradictory characteristics. And if this is a > hybrid, the next question is of what species? I can't find any records in > the literature of CSWA x BLPW, but since they're in they same genus, it > would seem possible. > > In any event, there's no doubt that this bird does not have a clear, > straightforward i.d. > > Mark Stackhouse > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Craig Fosdick wrote: > > All- > > Hmmm....I don't think it is a Blackpoll; I just saw about 10 in upstate NY > 10-14 days ago (along with CSWA and others), and the white eye ring is way > too pronounced on this bird to be a Blackpoll. Also, Blackpolls have dark > eyestripes with thin eyerings; this bird has no eyestripe. Can't say > anything conlcusive about the streaking; some fall male CSWA should have > solid chestnut streaks; perhaps this is a first-year male? (my Peterson > warbler guide is not at hand). Also, Blackpolls should have black bills, > not pale bills; this bird has a pale bill. And whitish undertail coverts > are consisent with CSWA. Blackpolls also are much drabber, even on the > face, and should not be bright lime-green on face and back. Legs appear to > be mostly concealed by foliage, I'm struggling with the color on this. Fall > male CSWA do have streaks on the back, which this bird has. > > I vote CSWA, for whatever it's worth. Perhaps someone can relocate the > bird and get better/more looks/photos? > > Craig Fosdick > Logan, Utah. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark Stackhouse wrote: > >> This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. >> >> The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, but it >> doesn't look green enough on the back, or (perhaps more importantly since >> the back isn't as clearly seen or well lit in these photos) the underparts >> clear and unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should not have the streaking on >> the flanks that this bird has. >> >> Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit warmer on the >> flanks, and again the sides should be less streaked. Also, the under-tail >> coverts should be more buffy; these appear to me to be whitish. >> >> I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has streaking on the >> flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail coverts appear whitish. Also, >> the legs and feet appear pale or yellowish to me in the second photo, good >> for Blackpoll, but the others should have black legs. The face seems plain >> for Blackpoll, but I think it's within the range of variation for this >> species. >> >> Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. >> >> Mark Stackhouse >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: >> >> Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in SLC >>> and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM >>> >>> http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Birdtalk mailing list >>> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >>> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Birdtalk mailing list >> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk > > >_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Late addition to the International Center report - Magnolia Warbler From: Mark Stackhouse <westwings AT sisna.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:37:49 -0600 Sorry about the late report, and for not including it in my original report, but David and I also have concluded that we saw a first year female Magnolia Warbler on Sunday morning at the International Center. It was at the east end of the large parking lot along Admiral Byrd Rd. just north of Wiley Post Rd. We puzzled over the i.d., and not having any advanced resources with us, were hesitant to make the i.d., even though we both were thinking Magnolia. Having reviewed additional materials, we've concluded that that's indeed what it was. Mark Stackhouse _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Re: ID request From: Mark Stackhouse <westwings AT sisna.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:31:18 -0600 It may be my monitor, but I don't see enough green on this bird to be a Chestnut-sided. And CSWA shouldn't have any streaking of the type and color seen on the flanks of this bird. I agree that the face looks much more like CSWA than Blackpoll, but I did see some images of Blackpoll on Vireo that weren't too far from this bird, especially when you consider the angle of the head in these photos, that makes the facial details harder to see clearly. However, this bird has enough anomalies that I strongly considered a hybrid (though I didn't mention it in my first post), and I'm inclined to agree with Brandon Percival that hybrid may be the best call for this bird. I'm always reluctant to play the "hybrid" card on tough id's, unless it's something that clearly shows contradictory characteristics. And if this is a hybrid, the next question is of what species? I can't find any records in the literature of CSWA x BLPW, but since they're in they same genus, it would seem possible. In any event, there's no doubt that this bird does not have a clear, straightforward i.d. Mark Stackhouse On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Craig Fosdick wrote: > All- > > Hmmm....I don't think it is a Blackpoll; I just saw about 10 in > upstate NY 10-14 days ago (along with CSWA and others), and the > white eye ring is way too pronounced on this bird to be a > Blackpoll. Also, Blackpolls have dark eyestripes with thin > eyerings; this bird has no eyestripe. Can't say anything conlcusive > about the streaking; some fall male CSWA should have solid chestnut > streaks; perhaps this is a first-year male? (my Peterson warbler > guide is not at hand). Also, Blackpolls should have black bills, > not pale bills; this bird has a pale bill. And whitish undertail > coverts are consisent with CSWA. Blackpolls also are much drabber, > even on the face, and should not be bright lime-green on face and > back. Legs appear to be mostly concealed by foliage, I'm struggling > with the color on this. Fall male CSWA do have streaks on the back, > which this bird has. > > I vote CSWA, for whatever it's worth. Perhaps someone can relocate > the bird and get better/more looks/photos? > > Craig Fosdick > Logan, Utah. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark Stackhouse > wrote: > This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. > > The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, but it > doesn't look green enough on the back, or (perhaps more importantly > since the back isn't as clearly seen or well lit in these photos) > the underparts clear and unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should > not have the streaking on the flanks that this bird has. > > Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit warmer > on the flanks, and again the sides should be less streaked. Also, > the under-tail coverts should be more buffy; these appear to me to > be whitish. > > I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has streaking on > the flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail coverts appear > whitish. Also, the legs and feet appear pale or yellowish to me in > the second photo, good for Blackpoll, but the others should have > black legs. The face seems plain for Blackpoll, but I think it's > within the range of variation for this species. > > Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. > > Mark Stackhouse > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: > > Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in > SLC and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM > > http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Garr Ranch 9/30/08 From: "Ben Palmer" <bhhpalmer AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:08:55 -0600 I ran out to Garr Ranch yesterday morning. Nothing unusual to report. The complete list is below. This is my third trip to the ranch in a row when there were school field trips going on. The noise did seem to make the birds disperse a bit, but it was fun to hear a hundred kids ooh and aah over the Great-Horned Owls. Also, it always seems like the workers at a ranch do a great job with the kids. It looked like the kids were having a blast with the activities and nature walk, and not just running around in the woods. Here is a photo of a Hermit Thrush near the spring. http://picasaweb.google.com/bhhpalmer/GarrRanch?pli=1&gsessionid=qu00SmD4oL1rUJQq7DZtJA#5252214829776834994 Location: Antelope Island--Garr Ranch Observation date: 9/30/08 Number of species: 17 Sharp-shinned Hawk 2 Red-tailed Hawk 1 American Kestrel 1 Mourning Dove 1 Great Horned Owl 2 Northern Flicker 5 Common Raven 2 Hermit Thrush 4 American Robin 2 Cedar Waxwing X Yellow-rumped Warbler 6 MacGillivray's Warbler 1 Wilson's Warbler 4 Song Sparrow 1 Lincoln's Sparrow 1 White-crowned Sparrow 3 Western Meadowlark 1 _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Cache County migrant trap? From: "Ryan O'Donnell" <ryan AT biology.usu.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:59:32 -0600 I birded around northern Cache County with Stephanie Cobbold yesterday evening. We didn't see any unexpected birds, but did make some observations of habitats that might be helpful for other area birders. We found what looks to me to be a good fall warbler migrant trap at the Lewiston Cemetery, almost in Idaho. From Logan, go north on Hwy 91, then west on Hwy 61. The cemetery will be on your right (north) in about half a mile. The cemetery has some nice mature trees and both flowing and standing water, with very few trees for the mile or more to the north. We saw about 20 Yellow-rumped Warblers here yesterday evening along with Red-winged Blackbirds, American Robins, and a Northern Flicker, but my sense is that this would be a good place to find an unexpected warbler, and I intend to be back to keep looking. In other habitat notes, Newton Reservoir is very low and although it didn't have any birds on it at dusk last night, some parts of the shoreline might be worth checking for shorebirds right now. Good birding, Ryan Ryan P. O'Donnell Department of Biology and the Ecology Center Utah State University 5305 Old Main Hill Logan, UT 84322-5305 http://home.comcast.net/~tsirtalis/ _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: "Craig Fosdick" <craig.fosdick AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:57:17 -0600 All- Hmmm....I don't think it is a Blackpoll; I just saw about 10 in upstate NY 10-14 days ago (along with CSWA and others), and the white eye ring is way too pronounced on this bird to be a Blackpoll. Also, Blackpolls have dark eyestripes with thin eyerings; this bird has no eyestripe. Can't say anything conlcusive about the streaking; some fall male CSWA should have solid chestnut streaks; perhaps this is a first-year male? (my Peterson warbler guide is not at hand). Also, Blackpolls should have black bills, not pale bills; this bird has a pale bill. And whitish undertail coverts are consisent with CSWA. Blackpolls also are much drabber, even on the face, and should not be bright lime-green on face and back. Legs appear to be mostly concealed by foliage, I'm struggling with the color on this. Fall male CSWA do have streaks on the back, which this bird has. I vote CSWA, for whatever it's worth. Perhaps someone can relocate the bird and get better/more looks/photos? Craig Fosdick Logan, Utah. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark Stackhouse wrote: > This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. > > The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, but it doesn't > look green enough on the back, or (perhaps more importantly since the back > isn't as clearly seen or well lit in these photos) the underparts clear and > unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should not have the streaking on the > flanks that this bird has. > > Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit warmer on the > flanks, and again the sides should be less streaked. Also, the under-tail > coverts should be more buffy; these appear to me to be whitish. > > I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has streaking on the > flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail coverts appear whitish. Also, > the legs and feet appear pale or yellowish to me in the second photo, good > for Blackpoll, but the others should have black legs. The face seems plain > for Blackpoll, but I think it's within the range of variation for this > species. > > Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. > > Mark Stackhouse > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: > > Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in SLC >> and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM >> >> http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Birdtalk mailing list >> Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org >> http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Bountiful pond/lake From: "Paul S. Lombardi" <plombard AT mymail.slcc.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:24:15 -0600 (MDT) I birded the Bountiful lake (West side of the Legacy Parkway) today from 10-noon. I spent most of my time on the paved path on the west side of the pond. Nothing outstanding but a great day. Here's my list Ringbilled gulls Foresters terns Double-crested cormorants Pied-billed grebes mallards chipping Sparrows White crowned sparrows Song sparrows Yellow-rumped warblers Bullock's orioles Northern flickers Belted kingfisher Redwinged BB Brewers BB Redtailed hawk American Crow Blackbilled magpie Northern harrier American kestrel To get to the lake, take the 500 S. exit off the Legacy Parkway and drive north on the frontage road (west side of the parkway) just past the sewage treatment plant. _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Grand and San Juan Counties 9/27-9/30 From: carlingwell AT losangeles-dodgers.net Date: 30 Sep 2008 18:19:36 -0700 _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Provo Airport Dike - 9/30/08 From: Eric Huish <poorwill_ AT hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:41:34 -0600 This spring when I started using ebird I made a goal of trying to bird the Provo Airport Dike every week (The Occurrence Charts in ebird for the Airport Dike looked week). I know I should be posting more often. I've been lazy and I'm ashamed of myself. A list of the birds on the Dike today is below. I birded after work and it was hot out. I would have done better had I been out in the morning. Most interesting sighting for me was two Yellow Warblers which ties my personal record for late Yellow Warbler north of Washington County (9-30-04 Lower Provo River Parkway). Location: Provo Airport Dike - Utah Co. UTObservation date: 9/30/08Number of species: 31 Cinnamon Teal 3Pied-billed Grebe 1Western/Clark's Grebe 10Great Blue Heron 3Snowy Egret 1White-faced Ibis 24Red-tailed Hawk 2Virginia Rail 3 Heard OnlyAmerican Coot 6Sandhill Crane 1 Heard OnlyKilldeer 129American Avocet 7Lesser Yellowlegs 1Long-billed Dowitcher 109Franklin's Gull 4Ring-billed Gull 95California Gull 2Northern Flicker 1Say's Phoebe 1Black-billed Magpie 3Northern Rough-winged Swallow 4Black-capped Chickadee 2Marsh Wren 12 Heard OnlyBlue-gray Gnatcatcher 1European Starling 5Yellow Warbler 2Yellow-rumped Warbler 12White-crowned Sparrow 9Red-winged Blackbird 45House Finch 5House Sparrow 4 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) Eric Huish Pleasant Grove UT poorwill_ AT hotmail.com 801-360-8777 _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: Brandon Percival <bkpercival AT yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) It looks like a Chestnut-sided Warbler somewhat.  I'm wondering if it is a hybrid of some sort as it isn't quite right.  Too much streaking on the front and not all white underneath.  Perhaps Yellow Warbler and Chestnut-sided Warbler hybrid.  Who knows, very odd looking warbler for sure. Brandon Percival Pueblo West, CO   _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: Mark Stackhouse <westwings AT sisna.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:21:35 -0600 This is a pretty "confusing" fall warbler. The plain face and complete eye-ring suggest Chestnut-sided, but it doesn't look green enough on the back, or (perhaps more importantly since the back isn't as clearly seen or well lit in these photos) the underparts clear and unstreaked enough. Chestnut-sided should not have the streaking on the flanks that this bird has. Bay-breasted is another possibility, but it should be a bit warmer on the flanks, and again the sides should be less streaked. Also, the under-tail coverts should be more buffy; these appear to me to be whitish. I'm leaning towards Blackpoll Warbler. Blackpoll has streaking on the flanks like this bird shows. The under-tail coverts appear whitish. Also, the legs and feet appear pale or yellowish to me in the second photo, good for Blackpoll, but the others should have black legs. The face seems plain for Blackpoll, but I think it's within the range of variation for this species. Nice photos (warbler photos are never easy) of a great find. Mark Stackhouse On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: > Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in > SLC and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM > > http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: tanager AT timaverybirding.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:34:04 +0000 I was leaning towards blackpoll or bay-breasted looking at the pix on my phone. But that can be misleading. Definately not one of our typical fall warblers. Tim Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Colby Neuman" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:25:34 To: Cc: Bird Talk Subject: Re: [Birdtalk] ID request _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: ID request From: "Colby Neuman" <colby.neuman AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:25:34 -0600 I don't have a book on me so I could be completely off on this, but it looks like a fall male Chestnut-sided Warbler...maybe an immature male? White eye ring, sharp contrast between green back and gray auricular (in second photo where the sunlight is hitting that part of the bird), streaking on back and duller flank streaking seems okay (?), wing bars, white-grayish underparts, etc.. Colby On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Milt Moody wrote: > Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in SLC > and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM > > http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk >_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: ID request From: Milt Moody <miltonmoody AT yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Carol Gwynn sent in these pictures of a bird at Red Butte Gardens in SLC and would like some opinions on its ID. ~ MGM http://www.utahbirds.org/hotlinephotos/2008/MysteryBirdCG.htm _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Washington County Birds From: "Rick Fridell" <rfridell AT burgoyne.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:00:27 -0600 Hello Everyone, Alright, I'm guilty as Tim charged. This is certainly one of the best times of the year to go birding, so get out and find those birds (and post those findings!). I visited Lytle Ranch this weekend and although the heat kept bird activity down and there were not many migrants around, I did see some notable birds. Highlights included a Red-shouldered Hawk (orchard), Long-eared Owl, Red-breasted Sapsucker (daggettii), Blue-headed Vireo, and female American Redstart. Also of interest, there is a male Greater Scaup (somewhat early) and a pair of Hooded Mergansers at Stratton Pond (Grandpa's Fishing Pond) in Hurricane (present since 9/25). I'll try to do better posting, Rick Fridell Hurricane, UT _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Around and About Weber and Wasatch Counties From: "STEPHEN T CARLILE" <carlilest AT msn.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:57:00 -0600 With family today visited two disjointed places; Ogden Bay Wildlife Management Area, Weber County (west of Ogden and south of West Warren) and Duchesne Ridge, Wasatch County (south of Mill Hollow and Wolf Creek and west of Heber City, paved road most of the way and good dirt road the for the rest). Ogden Bay - my first visit and not a lot of birds. Three highlights and an observation. 1. 12 Wilson's Snipe 2. Several small flocks of American Pipit, totaling about 15 birds. My first of the fall/winter season. 3. 6 Greater Yellowlegs and 2 Lesser Yellowlegs together 4. The phragmites control program (spraying, burning, and spraying over a three year period) is showing some results. Several hundred acres have cattails and other "native" marsh vegetation returning. We spoke with a DWR employee who said there is a 15 year program to get this invasive plant under control in the marshes around the Great Salt Lake. Also, the place is full of racoons. Duchesne Ridge (approximately 8750 feet in elevation) - Went to see the fall colors with my son and his family. Great trip and beautiful scenery. While we stopped for a picnic dinner saw a surprising number of species, including: 1. Goshawk 2. Red-tailed Hawk (Helped my 5 year old grandson see the bird through my binoculars. He was excited because it was so big.) 3. Red-breasted Nuthatch 4. Red Crossbill (12+) 5. Pine Siskin 6. Dark-eyed Junco (Grey-headed) 7. Steller's Jay 8. Common Raven Thanks, Stephen_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: PINION JAY From: ssfeld AT gmail.com Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:04:08 -0700 Tim, I'm so flattered to be called “very reliable.” Yesterday we had a Hawk watch day. Steve and I climbed close to the top of the first mountain south of Parley's Canyon. About ¾ the way up a Pinion Jay landed close below us for a good look. (Yeah another year bird.) We were very fortunate to be joined by a hawk expert. It was incredibly educational to learn to better identify flying raptors. Thanks. WARNING – The climb down is a killer. I no longer have functioning knees. Here's our list: California Quail Turkey Vulture - 30 Osprey -1 Northern Harrier - 10 Sharp-shinned Hawk -30 Cooper's Hawk - 35 Northern Goshawk - 2 Swainson's Hawk - 4 Red-tailed Hawk - 20 Golden Eagle - 3 American Kestrel - 15 Mourning Dove Western Scrub Jay PINION JAY Magpie Raven Black-capped Chickadee Red-breasted Nuthatch Blue-gray Gnatcatcher Robin Starling Yellow-rumped Warbler Spotted Towhee Good birding, Cindy Sommerfeld _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: FW: peregrine falcon observed Sept. 29 From: Utah Birds <utah_birds AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Birdnet Email -- from the website  It was submitted by bobwalters AT utah.gov on Monday, September 29, 2008 at 15:14:52  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------     Subject: peregrine falcon observed Sept. 29   Email_Address: bobwalters AT utah.gov   Message: perched on the deactivated powerline structure in the far west (deepest) pond at Lee Kay Ponds (approx. loc. west of 1300 South & 5600 West, north of Lee Kay Hunter Education Facility in Salt Lake County), a young-of-the-year bird that ultimately flew to the north.   #yiv1520126879 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1520126879 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Re: CERULEAN WARBLER... From: Merrill Webb <merrill_webb AT yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Birders, OK. This is in response to your request, Tim. Saturday I was birding in the Mineral Mtns. (Beaver County) and at Kaufman's Ranch (Millard County). I saw a total of 53 species in the two locations, but will list only the better ones, mostly because most birders don't want to be bothered with Starlings and House Sparrows. At the top of a peak in the Mineral Mtns. (7800 feet elevation) I observed a Cassin's Vireo feeding in a mountain mahogany bush. Prior to that a flock of Clark's Nutcracker (26) flew over going west toward who knows what isolated mountain range in the west desert? At the ranch I counted five Pectoral Sandpipers plus a female American Redstart and 20-30 Yellow-rumped Warblers. At Antelope Springs there was still a Common Yellowthroat present. I observed no raptors at all--none, which was quite disappointing considering the elevation in the mountains where I started. Merrill Webb --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Tim Avery wrote: > From: Tim Avery > Subject: [Birdtalk] CERULEAN WARBLER... > To: birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 8:54 AM > Let me start off by saying that this is not a report of a > Cerulean Warbler... THIS IS NOT A REPORT. > > This email is the kind of email that gets many Utah birders > excited to get ou in the field and chasing rare birds, and > it seem slike its getting to that time of year again where > posts start to dwindle, and many birds go un-reported, and > left unknown to the general public. Even if you are jsut > posting about birds in your backyard, or on a quick trip to > the park, that information is often useful to at least one > other person on this list. Inofrmation about the first > sighting of an Oregon Dark-eyed Junco each fall is > interestign to see how it compares to other years, or the > last report of a Rufous Hummingbird each fall. No matter > how mundane a sighting may be to you, it may hold some > interest ot others on the list. > > I often get phone calls from birders telling me about a > bird here or a bird there, and I am very thankful for all > those direct calls. But I think some of these calls would > also be interesting to the general public. Take for > instance a very reliabel report of a PINYON JAY in Salt Lake > County yesterday. This is a bird that in the the county is > hard if not impossible to get most years. > > And rumor has it that yesterday, both a CLAY-COLORED > SPARROW and a SWAMP SPARROW were seen at the Salt Lake > International Center. Whether or not this is true I > don't know, but both those birds would draw some > attention from birders around Salt Lake, and maybe even to > the north and south. > > > In any event what I am getting at, is please post your > sightings! People who complain about getting emails about > starlings and this and that have the option to DELETE, thats > the great thing about email. So please please please share > those sightings! > > Good Birding > > Tim > Salt Lake City, Utah > tanager AT timaverybirding.com > http://www.timaverybirding.com > _______________________________________________ > Birdtalk mailing list > Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org > http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk _______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: International Center Clay-colored and Swamp Sparrows From: Mark Stackhouse <westwings AT sisna.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:24:14 -0600 David Wheeler and I birded the Salt Lake International Center this morning looking for migrants. There was a fair amount of activity, with sparrows being the highlight. A Clay-colored Sparrow was amongst some Chipping Sparrows (there were lots of these today) at the junction of Wiley Post Rd. and Admiral Byrd Rd. There was a Swamp Sparrow along the brushy canal at the southwest corner of the complex. Other than that, there were lots of Yellow-rumped Warblers, with Orange-crowned Warblers next most numerous, but not much diversity in the warblers. There was a (late?) Western Tanager male, and a Red- naped Sapsucker. One of our more exciting moments came when both David and I looking through our binoculars at some Chipping Sparrows that were feeding in the lawn grass when a kestrel blew-up the entire group. as far as I could tell, no kill was made. Mark Stackhouse mark AT westwings.com 801-487-9453 (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA) 011-52-323-285-1243 (San Blas, Nayarit, Mexico) Here's our list: Location: Salt Lake Internation Center, SL Co. Observation date: 9/28/08 Number of species: 30 Canada Goose 50 Mallard 2 Turkey Vulture 2 Sharp-shinned Hawk 1 American Kestrel 1 Ring-billed Gull 1 California Gull 4 Rock Pigeon 3 Mourning Dove 20 Red-naped Sapsucker 1 Northern Flicker 1 American Robin 1 European Starling 100 Orange-crowned Warbler 5 Yellow Warbler 2 Yellow-rumped Warbler 25 MacGillivray's Warbler 1 Western Tanager 1 Chipping Sparrow 30 Clay-colored Sparrow 1 Song Sparrow 2 Lincoln's Sparrow 1 Swamp Sparrow 1 White-crowned Sparrow 4 Dark-eyed Junco 8 Red-winged Blackbird 1 Brewer's Blackbird 1 House Finch 40 American Goldfinch 10 House Sparrow 10 This report was generated automatically by eBird v2(http://ebird.org) _______________________________________________ Birdnet mailing list Birdnet AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdnet Subject: Antelope Island Beautiful Fall Day From: <tmigratorius AT msn.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:52:42 -0600 We spent several hours on Antelope Island on Sunday, September 28th. We began birding on the causeway around 10:30 a.m. Many of the birds we observed at that time were relatively close to the road on the north side. When we drove off the island about 4:00 p.m. the birds were very far in the distance on both sides of the causeway and none were close to the road. We saw huge flocks of Avocets floating in the water, occasionally flying together then settling back down. We also observed what we thought were Dunlins in beautiful flight formation. The following birds were observed: Causeway: Black-bellied Plover Wimbrel Marbled Godwit Sandhill Crane Avocet Black-necked Stilt Mallard Northern Harrier Turkey Vulture California Gull Ring-billed Gull Franklin's Gull (5 juveniles) Northern Shoveler Canada Goose Cattle Egret Horned Grebe Eared Grebe Dunlin ? (Flock of several hundred birds flying in a wave formation flashing a beautiful white shimmering pattern of wings) Island and Garr Ranch: Common Raven Northern Shrike Northern Flicker Yellow-rumped Warbler Dark-eyed Junco White-crowned Sparrow Lesser Goldfinch Hermit Thrush Swainson's Thrush Dusky Flycatcher Song Sparrow Spotted Towhee Ruby-crowned Kinglet Red-winged Blackbird Plumbeous Vireo Western Meadowlark Kestrel Hal & Kathleen Robins_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk Subject: Backyard Activity From: "Jeff Bilsky" <jbilsky AT gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:29:57 -0600 Working from home today and two scrub jays showed up outside my window - again. They were searching the area where at times I have peanuts. Much to the dismay of my neighbors who feel living in the mountain west should entitle them to no neighborhood wildlife, I went outside and began feeding peanuts to my old friends. I have just about got one of them trained to taking the peanuts out of my hand. He was bold enough to take one from about 6 inches past my hand. Question for wise birdtalk discussion: is there any harm in your opinion in my training of the jays? I sort of think the Jays have trained me so what harm could there be? Are the Jays smart enough to discern from one human to the next? In other words, do they know I am friendly and my neighbors would likely shoot them with a BB gun? Or are they going to come to expect this sort of treatment from all humans? -- Jeff Bilsky Salt Lake City jbilsky AT gmail.com Bilsky.Blogspot.com_______________________________________________ Birdtalk mailing list Birdtalk AT utahbirds.org http://utahbirds.org/mailman/listinfo/birdtalk