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27 Jan Migratory Dragonfly Partnership [Earle Baldwin ] 19 Jan RE: Thus the odenate eye is described [Meena Haribal ] 18 Jan Thus the odenate eye is described [Earle Baldwin ] 17 Jan NH Dragonfly Survey stuff available online! [PAMELA HUNT ] 17 Jan NH Dragonfly Survey stuff available online! ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 17 Jan Southeast R-Ode Trip anyone? ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 31 Dec Re: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 30 Dec Fw: nymph photos? ["MARIE HEMEON" ] 30 Dec RE: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question [Lynn Harper ] 30 Dec Re: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question [] 30 Dec Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question [Matthew Reardon ] 27 Dec Re: ["tache AT pa.net" ] 23 Dec Re: [se-odonata] End of the season in Delaware? [Hal White ] 23 Dec Re: End of the season in Delaware? [Hal White ] 22 Dec Re: End of the season in Delaware? [Dennis Paulson ] 22 Dec Insects and plants [Meena Haribal ] 22 Dec Insects and plants [Meena Haribal ] 22 Dec End of the season in Delaware? [Hal White ] 22 Dec End of the season in Delaware? [Hal White ] 14 Dec Ringed Boghaunter Neighborhood Water Issue at Upton, MA ["waltw0814" ] 10 Dec DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up [Chris Hill ] 10 Dec DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up [Chris Hill ] 10 Dec DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up [Chris Hill ] 10 Dec DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up [Chris Hill ] 7 Dec Fwd: Cambridge Ent Club - December 13th Meeting announcement [1 Attachment] [] 7 Dec NymphFest 2012 Postponed [Bryan Pfeiffer ] 05 Dec RE: Green Darner - Cape Cod ["Steve Walter" ] 04 Dec Green Darner - Cape Cod [Blair Nikula ] 30 Nov Re: Late A.j. [Don Miller ] 29 Nov Re: Late A.j. ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 29 Nov Re: Late A.j. [Joshua Rose ] 29 Nov Late A.j. [Lula Field ] 27 Nov Re: Hmm [Joshua Rose ] 27 Nov Re: Hmm ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 26 Nov Late large ode in Lincoln, MA [] 26 Nov Re: Hmm ["tache AT pa.net" ] 26 Nov Hmm [Earle Baldwin ] 22 Nov Stop the Presses! [PAMELA HUNT ] 22 Nov Stop the Presses! ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 21 Nov Re: [NEodes] Paper request [Thomas W Donnelly ] 21 Nov Re: Paper request [Thomas W Donnelly ] 21 Nov Paper request [PAMELA HUNT ] 21 Nov Paper request ["PAMELA HUNT" ] 20 Nov Last Ode Flying ["michaelxmoore" ] 19 Nov Fw: Opinion on Gophus female [Glenn Corbiere ] 20 Nov Opinion on Gophus female [Meena Haribal ] 15 Nov Black Petaltails [Earle Baldwin ] 14 Nov NymphFest, Anyone? [Bryan Pfeiffer ] 11 Nov RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["Steve Walter" ] 11 Nov RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum [Thomas W Donnelly ] 11 Nov RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["Steve Walter" ] 11 Nov RE: Maine Aeshna ["D W Bridgehouse" ] 11 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [Glenn Corbiere ] 10 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [Thomas W Donnelly ] 11 Nov past photos ["sleitkam" ] 10 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [Earle Baldwin ] 10 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ] 10 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [Glenn Corbiere ] 10 Nov Re: Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] [Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ] 9 Nov Adults in Lexington, MA [] 9 Nov RE: Maine Aeshna ["D W Bridgehouse" ] 09 Nov Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum [walter chadwick ] 09 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["michaelxmoore" ] 9 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum [Thomas W Donnelly ] 09 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["michaelxmoore" ] 9 Nov Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 9 Nov Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] [Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ] 8 Nov Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum [Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ] 8 Nov Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum [Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ] 8 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum [June Tveekrem ] 8 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum [Thomas W Donnelly ] 09 Nov Odes Seen in Medfield, MA, Nov. 8 ["waltw0814" ] 08 Nov Late ode ["LARRY FEDERMAN" ] 8 Nov Re: Sympetrum vicinum ["trybulj" ] 8 Nov Sympetrum vicinum ["John and Sue Gregoire" ] 05 Nov Re: Red ode ID help [walter chadwick ] Subject: Migratory Dragonfly Partnership From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:07:24 -0500 http://www.xerces.org/dragonfly-migration/ -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: RE: Thus the odenate eye is described From: Meena Haribal <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:17:27 +0000 Beautiful! Thanks Earle for sharing this! Meena Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Earle Baldwin [earlebaldwin AT gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:10 PM To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [NEodes] Thus the odenate eye is described http://youtu.be/aBzAO72NuIc -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: Thus the odenate eye is described From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:10:11 -0500 http://youtu.be/aBzAO72NuIc -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: NH Dragonfly Survey stuff available online! From: PAMELA HUNT <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:04:46 -0500 Greetings all! (wow - two messages to Northeast Odes in January - what is the world coming to?!) As many of you know, we've just completed the 5-year NH Dragonfly (and Damselfly) Survey, a statewide "atlas" that has resulted in 18,500 records of 157 species from 220 of the 259 towns in NH. This would not have been possible without the small army of volunteers (some of whom are on these listserves) who contributed data. To commemorate the completion of the project (final report due in late March), I designed a couple of T-shirts, and offered them to volunteers for order en masse so we'd all get a discount. That phase is over, but knowing the passion in these two listserves for all things ode, I'm now officially opening up orders to the world at large! You just wouldn't get a bulk discount, and the fact that the site allows me to charge a "royalty" means that I'll actually generate some extra income that will be put back into the project (or allow for some post-report continuation of survey effort). Or who knows, maybe I'll make enough to retire.... So if you want a T-shirt - or a newly-added mousepad! - simply visit www.zazzle.com/damselhuntress. The rest should be obvious. Theoretically I've set things up so you can make the shirt in any number of styles (e.g., tank top, scoop neck, who knows what else), but please let me know if this doesn't seem to work. I just changed the settings today, and can't be 100% that I did what I intended... Happy shopping, and maybe I'll see some folks wearing one of these at the DSA meeting in South Carolina this coming May! Pam Hunt Concord, NH _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.pugetsound.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: NH Dragonfly Survey stuff available online! From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:04:46 -0500 Greetings all! (wow - two messages to Northeast Odes in January - what is the world coming to?!) As many of you know, we've just completed the 5-year NH Dragonfly (and Damselfly) Survey, a statewide "atlas" that has resulted in 18,500 records of 157 species from 220 of the 259 towns in NH. This would not have been possible without the small army of volunteers (some of whom are on these listserves) who contributed data. To commemorate the completion of the project (final report due in late March), I designed a couple of T-shirts, and offered them to volunteers for order en masse so we'd all get a discount. That phase is over, but knowing the passion in these two listserves for all things ode, I'm now officially opening up orders to the world at large! You just wouldn't get a bulk discount, and the fact that the site allows me to charge a "royalty" means that I'll actually generate some extra income that will be put back into the project (or allow for some post-report continuation of survey effort). Or who knows, maybe I'll make enough to retire.... So if you want a T-shirt - or a newly-added mousepad! - simply visit www.zazzle.com/damselhuntress. The rest should be obvious. Theoretically I've set things up so you can make the shirt in any number of styles (e.g., tank top, scoop neck, who knows what else), but please let me know if this doesn't seem to work. I just changed the settings today, and can't be 100% that I did what I intended... Happy shopping, and maybe I'll see some folks wearing one of these at the DSA meeting in South Carolina this coming May! Pam Hunt Concord, NH ------------------------------------ Subject: Southeast R-Ode Trip anyone? From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:38:45 -0500 Greetings all, As the days grow longer, we realize that there are only four short months between now and the first Ringed Boghaunters of the season! But for anyone wanting a fix a couple of weeks early, I have an offer for you! Linda LaPan (aka Stick) and I are DRIVING to the annual meeting of the DSA to be held in Florence, SC May 4-6. We will be leaving the Albany NY area sometime in the afternoon of Saturday, April 28, and heading to the Great Smoky Mountains for a couple of days (our own version of the pre-meeting trip - and an area I've long wanted to visit). We anticipate arrival there late in the day on April 29, at which point we will be camping. Here there will certainly be odes (although certainly restrictions on collecting!), plus whatever other natural wonders the Smokies can conjure up. On May 2nd, we're indulging my passion for the Lewis and Clark Expedition by travelling west to central Tennessee to visit Meriwether Lewis's gravesite, and then heading straight back to arrive in Florence the afternoon of the 3rd (and the unoffical start to the DSA festivities). If it's just the two of us, we'll fit nicely in my car, but if anyone wants to join the fun we can take Stick's SUV and hold more stuff. You have plenty of time to think about this, but if at all interested drop me a line and we can talk! Enjoy, Pam Hunt Concord, NH ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:57:41 -0500 I concur. I have worked with larvae of this genus for years and have been able to positively identify only a few to species. Yes they must be late instar, and even then they may not have ALL the characteristics called for in the manual and other keys. Habitat helps some, but larvae often get washed downstream. Especially this year. I have found many that have short, stubby, spatulate setae but did not have the 4 palpal setae, and yes, a few turned out to be maculata. I am of the opinion that the setae wear down with time, but that's just a guess. I'm afraid the only way to be sure is to rear it. Don't get discouraged though. Cordulegaster happens to be a very tough genus. So don't stop here. Best of luck with other genera!! Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Fri, December 30, 2011 14:02, MariaAA AT aol.com wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Not sure how experienced you are with IDing ode nymphs, so please bear with me... > First and foremost--the age/size of the nymph is key to whether you can reasonably > ID it to species, or not. For this it must be a LATE-instar nymph, and usually the > way you can tell is from the relative size of the wingpads to the (more or less) > length of the thorax. For example, do they extend beyond the posterior margin of > the thorax, or do they only go mid-way down the thorax? In general, the larger the > wingpads are, the older the instar you have. I have minimal experience IDing > Cordulegaster to species (and it was more than a few years ago!), but with most > other groups I've worked with the traits like "# of setae" can be VERY iffy, at > best. In fact, I often count a number of setae that is BETWEEN the two ranges I'm > given by the key, so I either try to rely more heavily on other accompanying > features, or I go back a step or two in the key! Any other thoughts out there for > this group? In essence, if your specimen is not a LATE-instar, then you really have > to leave it at Cordulegaster sp. (sorry!!!). > > Best, > Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi > Arlington, MA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Reardon > To: NEodes > Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:40 am > Subject: [NEodes] Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question > > > > > > > > > To All: > I have a Cordulegaster larvae that I am trying to identify. I am using > Dragonflies of North America-Needham, Westfall Jr, and May, 2000. I believe > that it is Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) as it has the spatulate setae > on the margin of the frontal shelf and it's epualet is not shaped like > Cordulegaster maculata (Twin Spotted Spiketail). The wierd thing is that it has > 5 palpal setae when according to the key it should have four. The larvae was > collected from Breackneck Brook in Sturbridge, MA on 19 July 2011 (42.04216, > -72.09715). My question is has anyone seen a Cordulegaster erronea larvae with > 5 palpal setae or a Cordulegaster maculata with spatulate setae on the margin of > the frontal shelf? I'm new to this so I might be misidentifying it. Any help > would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Matthew Reardon > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Fw: nymph photos? From: "MARIE HEMEON" <mariekevinhemeon AT msn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:25:47 -0500 Can anyone help? I assume pond species would be especially useful. Kevin Erin, I'm helping Frank Herec find images of dragonfly nymphs and damselfly nymphs for the Junior Naturalist booklets that will be used in the DEC campgrounds during the summer of 2012. (They'll be part of pond food chain.) Given your work on the New York Dragonfly and Damselfly Survey, I'm wondering if you know where we might find some. I browsed through the report but didn't see any images that would be of use. It looked like a lot of the images came from Jeremy Martin. Would he be a good source? Thanks for any help you can provide. Gina Gina Jack Environmental Educator New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation Division of Public Affairs & Education 625 Broadway, 2nd Floor Albany, NY 12233-4500 (518) 402-8018 voice (518) 402-9036 fax gbjack AT gw.dec.state.ny.us Subject: RE: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question From: Lynn Harper <HarperLynn AT msn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:22:57 +0000 Also, and just to complicate matters, Cordulegaster erronea has never been identified from Massachusetts, to my knowledge - although I'd love to be proven wrong! Matthew, any chance I could see the larvae itself? Or a (really, really) good photo of it? Lynn Harper Massachusetts Natural Heritage & Endangered Species Program Westborough, MA To: matteoreardon AT yahoo.com; NEodes AT yahoogroups.com From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:02:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [NEodes] Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question Hi Matthew, Not sure how experienced you are with IDing ode nymphs, so please bear with me... First and foremost--the age/size of the nymph is key to whether you can reasonably ID it to species, or not. For this it must be a LATE-instar nymph, and usually the way you can tell is from the relative size of the wingpads to the (more or less) length of the thorax. For example, do they extend beyond the posterior margin of the thorax, or do they only go mid-way down the thorax? In general, the larger the wingpads are, the older the instar you have. I have minimal experience IDing Cordulegaster to species (and it was more than a few years ago!), but with most other groups I've worked with the traits like "# of setae" can be VERY iffy, at best. In fact, I often count a number of setae that is BETWEEN the two ranges I'm given by the key, so I either try to rely more heavily on other accompanying features, or I go back a step or two in the key! Any other thoughts out there for this group? In essence, if your specimen is not a LATE-instar, then you really have to leave it at Cordulegaster sp. (sorry!!!). Best, Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi Arlington, MA -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Reardon To: NEodes Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:40 am Subject: [NEodes] Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question To All: I have a Cordulegaster larvae that I am trying to identify. I am using Dragonflies of North America-Needham, Westfall Jr, and May, 2000. I believe that it is Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) as it has the spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf and it's epualet is not shaped like Cordulegaster maculata (Twin Spotted Spiketail). The wierd thing is that it has 5 palpal setae when according to the key it should have four. The larvae was collected from Breackneck Brook in Sturbridge, MA on 19 July 2011 (42.04216, -72.09715). My question is has anyone seen a Cordulegaster erronea larvae with 5 palpal setae or a Cordulegaster maculata with spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf? I'm new to this so I might be misidentifying it. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Matthew Reardon Subject: Re: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:02:53 -0500 (EST) Hi Matthew, Not sure how experienced you are with IDing ode nymphs, so please bear with me... First and foremost--the age/size of the nymph is key to whether you can reasonably ID it to species, or not. For this it must be a LATE-instar nymph, and usually the way you can tell is from the relative size of the wingpads to the (more or less) length of the thorax. For example, do they extend beyond the posterior margin of the thorax, or do they only go mid-way down the thorax? In general, the larger the wingpads are, the older the instar you have. I have minimal experience IDing Cordulegaster to species (and it was more than a few years ago!), but with most other groups I've worked with the traits like "# of setae" can be VERY iffy, at best. In fact, I often count a number of setae that is BETWEEN the two ranges I'm given by the key, so I either try to rely more heavily on other accompanying features, or I go back a step or two in the key! Any other thoughts out there for this group? In essence, if your specimen is not a LATE-instar, then you really have to leave it at Cordulegaster sp. (sorry!!!). Best, Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi Arlington, MA -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Reardon To: NEodes Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 10:40 am Subject: [NEodes] Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question To All: I have a Cordulegaster larvae that I am trying to identify. I am using Dragonflies of North America-Needham, Westfall Jr, and May, 2000. I believe that it is Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) as it has the spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf and it's epualet is not shaped like Cordulegaster maculata (Twin Spotted Spiketail). The wierd thing is that it has 5 palpal setae when according to the key it should have four. The larvae was collected from Breackneck Brook in Sturbridge, MA on 19 July 2011 (42.04216, -72.09715). My question is has anyone seen a Cordulegaster erronea larvae with 5 palpal setae or a Cordulegaster maculata with spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf? I'm new to this so I might be misidentifying it. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Matthew Reardon Subject: Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) question From: Matthew Reardon <matteoreardon AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:40:03 -0800 (PST) To All:     I have a  Cordulegaster larvae that I am trying to identify.  I am using Dragonflies of North America-Needham, Westfall Jr, and May, 2000.  I believe that it is Cordulegaster erronea (Tiger Spiketail) as it has the spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf and it's epualet is not shaped likeCordulegaster maculata (Twin Spotted Spiketail).  The wierd thing is that it has 5 palpal setae when according to the key it should have four.  The larvae was collected from Breackneck Brook in Sturbridge, MA on 19 July 2011 (42.04216, -72.09715).  My question is has anyone seen a Cordulegaster erronea larvae with 5 palpal setae or a Cordulegaster maculata with spatulate setae on the margin of the frontal shelf?  I'm new to this so I might be misidentifying it.  Any help would be appreciated.  Sincerely, Matthew Reardon Subject: Re: From: "tache AT pa.net" <tache@pa.net> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:23:37 -0500 A little preview of next season. I have updated my galleries for Odonates to include shots from 2011. http://galleries.northoftheridge.com/galleries/5_Insects/1_Odonata/ Hope you folks enjoy. If you receive this twice. My apologies. J.B. Wheatley www.northoftheridge.com ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [se-odonata] End of the season in Delaware? From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:50:46 -0500 Dennis, All of the dead individuals were floating on the water surface and were pretty easy to see once one got a search image. The always wet sedge meadow is fairly large ~400 x ~600 feet and the population of Ischnura hastata in the summer can be enormous at this site, perhaps more than a million. Lestes rectangularis is another species here that has an overwhelming dominance of females late in the season. Certainly the numbers for it also exceed 90-95% female. Any hypotheses about the preponderance of male Sympetrum vicinum we saw at the end of the season this year? Hal On 12/22/2011 11:31 PM, Dennis Paulson wrote: > Hal, > > That's interesting. I have usually found far more female I. hastata than > male at a given locality, just as in several other Ischnura species. > They are probably monandrous and can fertilize all the eggs they are > ever going to lay just by mating with one male, and I wouldn't be at all > surprised if the females live longer than the males (although data in > Corbet 1999 doesn't indicate this), at least in certain Ischnura. I have > often noticed the last individuals of an odonate species in the fall > being females, and it has always seemed to me that there should be > selection for longer life in females. Nevertheless, 14 females and no > males is quite a sex ratio. > > I think it's very interesting also that you actually found 13 dead > individuals. That's an amazing number of such a tiny species and in a > marshy environment. I have found a lot of dead bluets on occasion in the > fall in Washington lakes where they are superabundant, but there was a > lot of open water that made it easy. > > Finally, I wonder if observations such as this hint at global warming or > only at increased field work. > > Dennis > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Hal White wrote: > >> Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very >> light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document >> the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond >> and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and >> Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) >> last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after >> two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F >> respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata >> (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it >> since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. >> >> Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found >> floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by >> Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A >> thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing >> embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water >> temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder >> about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the >> Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females >> dominated. >> >> Hal White >> Newark, DE >> >> > > ----- > Dennis Paulson > 1724 NE 98 St. > Seattle, WA 98115 > 206-528-1382 > dennispaulson AT comcast.net > > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: End of the season in Delaware? From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:50:46 -0500 Dennis, All of the dead individuals were floating on the water surface and were pretty easy to see once one got a search image. The always wet sedge meadow is fairly large ~400 x ~600 feet and the population of Ischnura hastata in the summer can be enormous at this site, perhaps more than a million. Lestes rectangularis is another species here that has an overwhelming dominance of females late in the season. Certainly the numbers for it also exceed 90-95% female. Any hypotheses about the preponderance of male Sympetrum vicinum we saw at the end of the season this year? Hal On 12/22/2011 11:31 PM, Dennis Paulson wrote: > Hal, > > That's interesting. I have usually found far more female I. hastata than > male at a given locality, just as in several other Ischnura species. > They are probably monandrous and can fertilize all the eggs they are > ever going to lay just by mating with one male, and I wouldn't be at all > surprised if the females live longer than the males (although data in > Corbet 1999 doesn't indicate this), at least in certain Ischnura. I have > often noticed the last individuals of an odonate species in the fall > being females, and it has always seemed to me that there should be > selection for longer life in females. Nevertheless, 14 females and no > males is quite a sex ratio. > > I think it's very interesting also that you actually found 13 dead > individuals. That's an amazing number of such a tiny species and in a > marshy environment. I have found a lot of dead bluets on occasion in the > fall in Washington lakes where they are superabundant, but there was a > lot of open water that made it easy. > > Finally, I wonder if observations such as this hint at global warming or > only at increased field work. > > Dennis > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Hal White wrote: > >> Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very >> light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document >> the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond >> and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and >> Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) >> last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after >> two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F >> respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata >> (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it >> since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. >> >> Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found >> floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by >> Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A >> thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing >> embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water >> temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder >> about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the >> Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females >> dominated. >> >> Hal White >> Newark, DE >> >> > > ----- > Dennis Paulson > 1724 NE 98 St. > Seattle, WA 98115 > 206-528-1382 > dennispaulson AT comcast.net > > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: End of the season in Delaware? From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:31:53 -0800 Hal, That's interesting. I have usually found far more female I. hastata than male at a given locality, just as in several other Ischnura species. They are probably monandrous and can fertilize all the eggs they are ever going to lay just by mating with one male, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the females live longer than the males (although data in Corbet 1999 doesn't indicate this), at least in certain Ischnura. I have often noticed the last individuals of an odonate species in the fall being females, and it has always seemed to me that there should be selection for longer life in females. Nevertheless, 14 females and no males is quite a sex ratio. I think it's very interesting also that you actually found 13 dead individuals. That's an amazing number of such a tiny species and in a marshy environment. I have found a lot of dead bluets on occasion in the fall in Washington lakes where they are superabundant, but there was a lot of open water that made it easy. Finally, I wonder if observations such as this hint at global warming or only at increased field work. Dennis On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Hal White wrote: > Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very > light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document > the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond > and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and > Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) > last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after > two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F > respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata > (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it > since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. > > Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found > floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by > Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A > thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing > embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water > temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder > about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the > Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females dominated. > > Hal White > Newark, DE > ----- Dennis Paulson 1724 NE 98 St. Seattle, WA 98115 206-528-1382 dennispaulson AT comcast.net Subject: Insects and plants From: Meena Haribal <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:23:46 +0000 Hi all, I did not see any odes, but did see odes' food! Temp here is in 46 o F. A cricket was chirping just few minutes ago in my backyard. Lots of gnats in the air. I also saw a moth (noctuid) on my office window. Elderberry has new leaves opening up. Then on the road in the morning as walked to work, found many dead and some live earthworms! Also a few Vinca flowers in bloom. Strange! Meena Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ ________________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Hal White [halwhite AT udel.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:07 PM To: NE Odonata; SE-Odonata; Jim White Subject: [NEodes] End of the season in Delaware? Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females dominated. Hal White Newark, DE ------------------------------------ Subject: Insects and plants From: Meena Haribal <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:23:46 +0000 Hi all, I did not see any odes, but did see odes' food! Temp here is in 46 o F. A cricket was chirping just few minutes ago in my backyard. Lots of gnats in the air. I also saw a moth (noctuid) on my office window. Elderberry has new leaves opening up. Then on the road in the morning as walked to work, found many dead and some live earthworms! Also a few Vinca flowers in bloom. Strange! Meena Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ ________________________________________ From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Hal White [halwhite AT udel.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:07 PM To: NE Odonata; SE-Odonata; Jim White Subject: [NEodes] End of the season in Delaware? Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females dominated. Hal White Newark, DE ------------------------------------ Subject: End of the season in Delaware? From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:07:00 -0500 Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females dominated. Hal White Newark, DE ------------------------------------ Subject: End of the season in Delaware? From: Hal White <halwhite AT udel.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:07:00 -0500 Today with official temperatures nearing 60*F, bright sun, and very light winds, Jim White suggested that it was a good excuse to document the end of the local Odonate season. We went to the "sedge meadow" pond and associated south facing slopes just north of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal where we had found Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawk) last on Dec. 11 after overnight temperatures of 22*F. On Dec 13, after two more nights when the temperature dropped to 20 and 22*F respectively, we found none flying. We had last seen Ischnura hastata (Citrine Forktail) on Dec. 4 but had not gone wading to look for it since. Today we looked hard for both species over the noon hour. Results: No meadowhawks found. 13 dead female Ischnura hastata found floating in the water, but hardly decayed, AND one live female seen by Jim! This is by far the latest date for an adult odonate in Delaware. A thermometer placed in the sun on the ground of the south-facing embankment read 36*C (96*F). Air temperature was about 70*F. Water temperature was 8*C (46*F). The lack of male Ischnura, makes one wonder about parthenogenesis because this species is parthenogenic in the Azores. On Dec. 4 there were a small number of males, but females dominated. Hal White Newark, DE ------------------------------------ Subject: Ringed Boghaunter Neighborhood Water Issue at Upton, MA From: "waltw0814" <waltw0814 AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:31:54 -0000 NEodes people will want to read about this in the Dec. 11 Boston Globe. Go to www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2011/12/11/upton_dodges_a_dragonfly_problem_seeks_better_beaver_solutions/?page=full Walt Webb Westwood, MA ------------------------------------ Subject: DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up From: Chris Hill <Chill AT coastal.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:33:00 -0500 Hi and pardon the crossposting, Thanks to the efforts of Marion Dobbs, there is now a website up for the Dragonfly Society of the Americas meeting coming next May in Florence, SC. The webpage is in the "beta" stage, with more to come, but there is travel info, hotel info, pre- and post-meeting trip info and a tentative schedule up. Oh, and also a registration page. Please register some time if you're planning on coming. http://web.me.com/ecurlew/DSA_2012/Welcome_DSA_2012.html Only 145 days 6 hours and 27 minutes until the meeting! Best, Chris Hill ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 843-349-2567 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.pugetsound.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up From: Chris Hill <chill AT coastal.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:33:00 -0500 Hi and pardon the crossposting, Thanks to the efforts of Marion Dobbs, there is now a website up for the Dragonfly Society of the Americas meeting coming next May in Florence, SC. The webpage is in the "beta" stage, with more to come, but there is travel info, hotel info, pre- and post-meeting trip info and a tentative schedule up. Oh, and also a registration page. Please register some time if you're planning on coming. http://web.me.com/ecurlew/DSA_2012/Welcome_DSA_2012.html Only 145 days 6 hours and 27 minutes until the meeting! Best, Chris Hill ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 843-349-2567 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm ------------------------------------ Subject: DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up From: Chris Hill <chill AT coastal.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:33:00 -0500 Hi and pardon the crossposting, Thanks to the efforts of Marion Dobbs, there is now a website up for the Dragonfly Society of the Americas meeting coming next May in Florence, SC. The webpage is in the "beta" stage, with more to come, but there is travel info, hotel info, pre- and post-meeting trip info and a tentative schedule up. Oh, and also a registration page. Please register some time if you're planning on coming. http://web.me.com/ecurlew/DSA_2012/Welcome_DSA_2012.html Only 145 days 6 hours and 27 minutes until the meeting! Best, Chris Hill ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 843-349-2567 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm ------------------------------------ Subject: DSA 2012 South Carolina Website up From: Chris Hill <chill AT coastal.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:33:00 -0500 Hi and pardon the crossposting, Thanks to the efforts of Marion Dobbs, there is now a website up for the Dragonfly Society of the Americas meeting coming next May in Florence, SC. The webpage is in the "beta" stage, with more to come, but there is travel info, hotel info, pre- and post-meeting trip info and a tentative schedule up. Oh, and also a registration page. Please register some time if you're planning on coming. http://web.me.com/ecurlew/DSA_2012/Welcome_DSA_2012.html Only 145 days 6 hours and 27 minutes until the meeting! Best, Chris Hill ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 843-349-2567 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm ------------------------------------ Subject: Fwd: Cambridge Ent Club - December 13th Meeting announcement [1 Attachment] From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:24:16 -0500 (EST) Hi all, I thought this might be of interest/feasibility to some on the list...see below. Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Walden-Gray To: cambridge-entomological-club Hello All, I am pleased to announce the second meeting of the 2011-2012 calendar. Please join me at 7:30 pm on December 13th, 2011 in MCZ 101 for the club's 1138th meeting. You are also welcome to join us for an informal dinner meeting at Harkness Commons (the law school cafeteria). Club members begin to arrive at Harkness around 6:15 and we all walk over to the MCZ about fifteen minutes before the meeting. There is a beautiful announcement poster attached to this message on the Google groups page. Tom Murray, Photographer, Amateur Entomologist and Author will discuss 'Amateur Entomologists and Digital Photography' Technical advances in digital photography and online media have created a worldwide forum for sharing information among amateur and professional entomologists.Through their photography, Tom and other amateurs are documenting range extensions, newly arriving exotics, and interesting behaviors.Tom Murray is a well known photographer and author of the forthcoming book, Insects of New England. He will share some of his favorite photos from the American tropics as well as winter insects of New England. I look forward to seeing you in one week Best, Jessica CEC President -- Jessica Walden-Gray Cornell University B.S. 2009 Boston University PhD Student Ecology, Behavior and Evolution -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambridge Entomological Club" group. To post to this group, send email to cambridge-entomological-club AT googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cambridge-entomological-club+unsubscribe AT googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cambridge-entomological-club?hl=en. Subject: NymphFest 2012 Postponed From: Bryan Pfeiffer <Bryan AT WingsEnvironmental.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:42:45 -0500 Dear Odonatists, With regrets, I'm postponing NymphFest 2012. We had planned to hold it in February here in Vermont. But we've been unable to generate enough solid interest in order to justify organizing the festival. It's sometimes tough to get to Vermont in winter, and storms are always a concern. I'm terribly sorry about this. I'm hopeful we can reschedule NymphFest for late summer or fall. I'll keep everyone posted. Best, Bryan Pfeiffer _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.pugetsound.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: RE: Green Darner - Cape Cod From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:15:15 -0500 Which reminds me that I meant to post that I saw a Green Darner at Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge (New York) on 12/4. Sightings through November (Autumn Meadowhawk, too) had been so routine that I decided it was no big deal until the calendar said December. So there it is. Steve Walter Bayside, NY From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Blair Nikula Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:09 PM To: NEodes Subject: [NEodes] Green Darner - Cape Cod While birding in Truro, MA, today (12/4), Peter Flood and I saw a Common Green Darner (Anax junius), my first ever in December, though I believe there is at least one other early December record in MA for this species. Blair Nikula -- 2 Gilbert Lane Harwich Port, MA 02646 http://www.odenews.org/ http://www.capecodbirds.org/ Subject: Green Darner - Cape Cod From: Blair Nikula <odenews AT odenews.org> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:09:06 -0500 While birding in Truro, MA, today (12/4), Peter Flood and I saw a Common Green Darner (Anax junius), my first ever in December, though I believe there is at least one other early December record in MA for this species. Blair Nikula -- 2 Gilbert Lane Harwich Port, MA 02646 http://www.odenews.org/ http://www.capecodbirds.org/ ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Late A.j. From: Don Miller <entdon AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:25:11 -0500 Though way outside the Northeast I saw a female S. vicinum on Thanksgiving Day in Spotsylvania Co, the only one seen in a secondary Ilex, beech, oak woodland that a couple of little streams running through it. The overhead canopy had just about completely dropped off a few days earlier. This was the only ode I saw in this woodland while visiting relatives. I walked around there on two separate days. It was not the kind of environment where I typically see this species in Vt yet the individual looked very healthy to me. No swamp, just a couple of streams meandering through a woodland with no vegetation along the edges. I worked outside raking leaves for most of the week and never saw another ode. My daughter has a niice aritifical stream that runs into a small pool and I saw no odes around either all the time I was there. A woman on an early morning walk in the wooded area commented that the weather was very "Florida like". Which indeed it was. She thought it was great, I had to think that it was pretty ominous in a way. Anyhow, a bid of ode trivia, perhaps? Don Miller, Ph.D Vt-Prof. Emeritus On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:50 PM, PAMELA HUNT wrote: > ** > > > ** > Up here in NH, observers had Common Green Darners at FOUR locations in > Rockingham County (which includes the coast) on Saturday, Nov 26 - a new > late date for the state. There were also Autum Meadowhawks at two sites. > The late date for these is Dec 4, so we're keeping our fingers crossed to > end the NHDS with a bang! > > Enjoy, > Pam Hunt > Concord, NH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joshua Rose > *To:* Northeastern Odes > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:25 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NEodes] Late A.j. > > > > I have not seen any dragonflies myself since the big snowstorm in late > October, but I have seen two recent posts on the MassBird e-mail list. One > mentioned Green Darners flying in Gloucester on 11-26; the other reported > the same species on 11-27 in Westport. > > Cheers, > > Josh > > Joshua Rose, Ph.D. > Amherst, MA > opihi AT mindspring.com > http://bugguide.net/user/view/2399 > http://www.facebook.com/opihi > > On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Lula Field wrote: > > > > On Nov. 19 I went on a bird trip to Plum Island, by Newburyport, MA. It > was quite warm (60o) & windy on the coast. At one spot on the beach, as we > watched eiders, scoters & loons, a green darner, Anax junius, went whipping > by over the dunes. The strong wind was blowing it more or less north. > Another member of the group spotted a second one a few minutes later. This > seems late for Massachusetts, but the last several days have been very warm > - there are probably other late sightings. (I still have moths at my porch > light!) - Lula > > > > __ > > > Subject: Re: Late A.j. From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:50:32 -0500 Up here in NH, observers had Common Green Darners at FOUR locations in Rockingham County (which includes the coast) on Saturday, Nov 26 - a new late date for the state. There were also Autum Meadowhawks at two sites. The late date for these is Dec 4, so we're keeping our fingers crossed to end the NHDS with a bang! Enjoy, Pam Hunt Concord, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Rose To: Northeastern Odes Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Late A.j. I have not seen any dragonflies myself since the big snowstorm in late October, but I have seen two recent posts on the MassBird e-mail list. One mentioned Green Darners flying in Gloucester on 11-26; the other reported the same species on 11-27 in Westport. Cheers, Josh Joshua Rose, Ph.D. Amherst, MA opihi AT mindspring.com http://bugguide.net/user/view/2399 http://www.facebook.com/opihi On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Lula Field wrote: > > On Nov. 19 I went on a bird trip to Plum Island, by Newburyport, MA. It was quite warm (60o) & windy on the coast. At one spot on the beach, as we watched eiders, scoters & loons, a green darner, Anax junius, went whipping by over the dunes. The strong wind was blowing it more or less north. Another member of the group spotted a second one a few minutes later. This seems late for Massachusetts, but the last several days have been very warm - there are probably other late sightings. (I still have moths at my porch light!) - Lula > > __ Subject: Re: Late A.j. From: Joshua Rose <opihi AT mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:25:11 -0500 I have not seen any dragonflies myself since the big snowstorm in late October, but I have seen two recent posts on the MassBird e-mail list. One mentioned Green Darners flying in Gloucester on 11-26; the other reported the same species on 11-27 in Westport. Cheers, Josh Joshua Rose, Ph.D. Amherst, MA opihi AT mindspring.com http://bugguide.net/user/view/2399 http://www.facebook.com/opihi On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Lula Field wrote: > > On Nov. 19 I went on a bird trip to Plum Island, by Newburyport, MA. It was quite warm (60o) & windy on the coast. At one spot on the beach, as we watched eiders, scoters & loons, a green darner, Anax junius, went whipping by over the dunes. The strong wind was blowing it more or less north. Another member of the group spotted a second one a few minutes later. This seems late for Massachusetts, but the last several days have been very warm - there are probably other late sightings. (I still have moths at my porch light!) - Lula > > __ ------------------------------------ Subject: Late A.j. From: Lula Field <lulafield2004 AT yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:14:38 -0800 (PST) On Nov. 19 I went on a bird trip to Plum Island, by Newburyport, MA.  It was quite warm (60o) & windy on the coast.  At one spot on the beach, as we watched eiders, scoters & loons, a green darner, Anax junius, went whipping by over the dunes.  The strong wind was blowing it more or less north.  Another member of the group spotted a second one a few minutes later.  This seems late for Massachusetts, but the last several days have been very warm - there are probably other late sightings.  (I still have moths at my porch light!)   - Lula  Subject: Re: Hmm From: Joshua Rose <opihi AT mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:17:17 -0500 I think, if you pick the right insect, it would not be so hard to get them in the general vicinity. You would not be able to get every one to land on one particular pin-head, but could probably get more than half of your insects within 10 feet or so of your target. The beetle in the article's photographs is one commonly attracted to overripe fruit. Moth and beetle photographers and collectors use this attraction to brew up bait that brings in their quarry from far and wide. Also works on many flies and wasps, of course. Pollinating insects can be lured in using the right combinations of sights (especially UV reflectance) and smells. Carrion-feeding insects are also attracted strongly to the right smell, to the extent that many flowers emit a rotting-meat stench that fools these critters into pollinating their flowers without any need for generating nectar. Maybe the most effective lure is pheromones, of course, used not only by mates attracting each other, but by orchids in another gambit fooling an insect into pollinating without a reward, and by Bolas Spiders to lure prey within range of their "lasso". Among other things. Also a common human control mechanism, used to collect Japanese Beetles, Green-head Flies, and various other pests into traps; I have a couple of flour moth pheromone traps operating in my pantry as I type this. And, of course, night-flying insects are attracted to lights, whether UV or mercury vapor, incandescent or compact florescent. They need to pick the right insect, pick the lure that attracts it, and - the hard part - figure out some way to transport the lure into the area, maybe on some sort of projectile. Cheers, Josh Joshua Rose, Ph.D. Amherst, MA opihi AT mindspring.com http://bugguide.net/user/view/2399 http://www.facebook.com/opihi On Nov 26, 2011, at 12:43 PM, tache AT pa.net wrote: > I guess I get the basic concept, but how do you force, coerce, compel > the little feller to go where you need him to go? > > Anyone who has ever photographed insects will tell you that they seem > to have an innate sense of exactly where you don't want them to be. > > > > Quoting Earle Baldwin : > >> http://earthsky.org/biodiversity/coming-soon-insect-cyborgs-to-the-rescue >> >> -- >> Earle Baldwin at Facebook >> > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Hmm From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:32:17 -0500 I can't decide if this is very cool or very freaky, but thanks Earle. Sue, enjoying her privacy while she still has it. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Sat, November 26, 2011 12:35, Earle Baldwin wrote: > http://earthsky.org/biodiversity/coming-soon-insect-cyborgs-to-the-rescue > > -- > Earle Baldwin at Facebook > ------------------------------------ Subject: Late large ode in Lincoln, MA From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:43:34 -0500 (EST) Today I saw a slow-ish, large adult ode that I believe to be an Aeshna (probably A. umbrosa, Shadow Darner), flying back and forth in a mowed field in conservation land, Lincoln, MA. The weather was incredible--very sunny, and very warm--I'd say mid-60s. It was large enough that I could say it was not a Sympetrum (w/o binocs). What a surprise! Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi Subject: Re: Hmm From: "tache AT pa.net" <tache@pa.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:43:42 -0500 I guess I get the basic concept, but how do you force, coerce, compel the little feller to go where you need him to go? Anyone who has ever photographed insects will tell you that they seem to have an innate sense of exactly where you don't want them to be. Quoting Earle Baldwin : > http://earthsky.org/biodiversity/coming-soon-insect-cyborgs-to-the-rescue > > -- > Earle Baldwin at Facebook > ------------------------------------ Subject: Hmm From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:35:00 -0500 http://earthsky.org/biodiversity/coming-soon-insect-cyborgs-to-the-rescue -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: Stop the Presses! From: PAMELA HUNT <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:10:17 -0500 Thanks to all you've sent the paper I asked for! I think I got three last night within an hour, and there are another 4-5 in my in-box this evening! If anyone else wants it, let me know and we can avoid a deluge at your end. And Happy Thanksgiving to all of us in the U.S. A bitterswwet time for odo-philes in this neck of the woods (last report of Sympetrum vicinum on Nov 19, and a "wintery mix" descending on us tomorrow... Pam Hunt Concord, NH _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Stop the Presses! From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:10:17 -0500 Thanks to all you've sent the paper I asked for! I think I got three last night within an hour, and there are another 4-5 in my in-box this evening! If anyone else wants it, let me know and we can avoid a deluge at your end. And Happy Thanksgiving to all of us in the U.S. A bitterswwet time for odo-philes in this neck of the woods (last report of Sympetrum vicinum on Nov 19, and a "wintery mix" descending on us tomorrow... Pam Hunt Concord, NH ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: [NEodes] Paper request From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:38:03 -0500 I would love a copy of this one too! * I went over the exuvial identifications for Bradeen but never saw the published paper. Nick Donnelly* On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, PAMELA HUNT wrote: > ** > > > Does anyone have a pdf of this paper that they could email me? > > Gibbs, K.E., B. Bradeen, and D. Boland. 2004. Spatial and temporal > segregation among six species of coexisting Ophiogomphus (Odonata: > Gomphidae) in the Aroostook River, Maine. Northeastern Naturalist Vol 11: > 295-312. > > Thanks, > Pam Hunt > Concord, NH > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender| Reply > to group | Reply via > web post| Start > a New Topic > Messages in this topic( > 1) > Recent Activity: > > > Visit Your Group > MARKETPLACE > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - > Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > Switch to: Text-Only, > Daily Digest• > Unsubscribe • Terms > of Use > . > > __,_._,___ >_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Paper request From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:38:03 -0500 I would love a copy of this one too! * I went over the exuvial identifications for Bradeen but never saw the published paper. Nick Donnelly* On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:48 PM, PAMELA HUNT wrote: > ** > > > Does anyone have a pdf of this paper that they could email me? > > Gibbs, K.E., B. Bradeen, and D. Boland. 2004. Spatial and temporal > segregation among six species of coexisting Ophiogomphus (Odonata: > Gomphidae) in the Aroostook River, Maine. Northeastern Naturalist Vol 11: > 295-312. > > Thanks, > Pam Hunt > Concord, NH > > > Subject: Paper request From: PAMELA HUNT <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:48:15 -0500 Does anyone have a pdf of this paper that they could email me? Gibbs, K.E., B. Bradeen, and D. Boland. 2004. Spatial and temporal segregation among six species of coexisting Ophiogomphus (Odonata: Gomphidae) in the Aroostook River, Maine. Northeastern Naturalist Vol 11: 295-312. Thanks, Pam Hunt Concord, NH _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Paper request From: "PAMELA HUNT" <biodiva AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:48:15 -0500 Does anyone have a pdf of this paper that they could email me? Gibbs, K.E., B. Bradeen, and D. Boland. 2004. Spatial and temporal segregation among six species of coexisting Ophiogomphus (Odonata: Gomphidae) in the Aroostook River, Maine. Northeastern Naturalist Vol 11: 295-312. Thanks, Pam Hunt Concord, NH ------------------------------------ Subject: Last Ode Flying From: "michaelxmoore" <mcmoore32 AT gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:09:07 -0000 Hi, My entry in the last ode flying contest: Today I was birding Bombay Hook in Delaware. In early afternoon the sun came out and temperatures soared into the low 60's. I was not surprised to find about a dozen Sympetrum vicinum (Autum Meadowhawks) around several of the fresh water pools, but I was surprised to see six Anax junius (Common Green Darners) flying over several of the fields. While S. vicinum flies into early Dec here, the last date for A. junius in Hal White's book on Delmarva dragonflies is Nov 9. This observation therefore extends the flight season by 11 days. All the A. junius individuals I saw well were mature males. Mike Moore Newark, DE Subject: Fw: Opinion on Gophus female From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:17:39 -0800 (PST)   Meena,   The only Gomphus descriptus female I have ever photographed was a road kill.   If you forced me to make a guess on that female, my guess would be Gomphus borealis.  What was the habitat?   Glenn   Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Meena Haribal To: "neodes AT yahoogroups.com" ; "nyog AT yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:41 PM Subject: [NEodes] Opinion on Gophus female   Hello all, I took this picture of a Gomphus female in 2010 in June in Connecticut Hills, Tomp County NY . Based several comparisons I am thinking it is a Harpoon Clubtail Gomphusdescriptus.  Here are several pictures of the same beast from different angles. It was feeding on a large insect and allowed me to peer at it through the camera from less than 2 inches head on. I have uploaded some of them to my flickr site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/91426175 AT N00/sets/72157628057248255/ I would appreciate any comments on this insect. Thanks in advance. Cheers Meena  PS: If anyone wants a high res pic to look at I will e-mail to you separately. Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ \ Subject: Opinion on Gophus female From: Meena Haribal <mmh3 AT cornell.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:41:22 +0000 Hello all, I took this picture of a Gomphus female in 2010 in June in Connecticut Hills, Tomp County NY . Based several comparisons I am thinking it is a Harpoon Clubtail Gomphus descriptus. Here are several pictures of the same beast from different angles. It was feeding on a large insect and allowed me to peer at it through the camera from less than 2 inches head on. I have uploaded some of them to my flickr site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/91426175 AT N00/sets/72157628057248255/ I would appreciate any comments on this insect. Thanks in advance. Cheers Meena PS: If anyone wants a high res pic to look at I will e-mail to you separately. Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ \ Subject: Black Petaltails From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:59:38 -0500 http://www.ijpr.org/Feature.asp?FeatureID=1943 -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: NymphFest, Anyone? From: Bryan Pfeiffer <bryan AT dailywing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:08:43 -0500 Greetings, As many of you may know, the Northeast chapter of the Dragonfly Society of the Americas has scheduled NymphFest 2012 for February 18-19 in Montpelier, Vermont. Sorry, no debauchery here -- only two days of presentations, workshops and displays on Odonata nymphs. We run these every four years. They're designed for beginning and advancing odonatists. This next NymphFest is scheduled to include Ken Tennessen, Nick Donnelly and other luminaries. I write to gauge your interest. We normally charge $25 for the entire weekend, which will help defray travel expenses for our keynote speaker and for food to keep you fed while nymphs nourish your soul. Please email me directly -- bryan AT dailywing.net and not to NEOdes -- if you think you might attend. I'm negotiating discounted rates with area hotels. I may also find folks in Montpelier willing to offer a bed to those of you on tight budgets. Here are some images from the 2008 NymphFest: http://www.odes.millersriver.net/nymphfestimages.htm I'll have a 2012 NymphFest web site up soon. Thanks. Best, Bryan Pfeiffer Northeast Coordinator, Dragonfly Society of the Americas -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bryan Pfeiffer Blogging: The Daily Wing - http://www.DailyWing.net Birding: Vermont Bird Tours - http://www.VermontBirdTours.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:41:08 -0500 I wasn't carrying a thermometer, so I did defer to the closest weather station. The specific spot was sheltered from the wind. But certainly, it wasn't the kind of day one would search for or expect to find odes. I was at the lake hoping the Green-winged Teals would be close enough to photograph. No such luck. However, it was the day that the first group of wintering Rusty Blackbirds appeared - another sign that it's not odes I should be looking for. Steve From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas W Donnelly Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:29 PM To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [NEodes] Re: Sympetrum vicinum The question is WHERE was it 47 degrees? Within a few feet of the bugs? In the community? At the nearest weather station? Temoparatures vary greatly over a distance of even a few yards, and the bugs are going to be affected only by what they sense in their immediate surroundings. Nick Donnelly Subject: RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:29:08 -0500 The question is WHERE was it 47 degrees? Within a few feet of the bugs? In the community? At the nearest weather station? Temoparatures vary greatly over a distance of even a few yards, and the bugs are going to be affected only by what they sense in their immediate surroundings. Nick Donnelly Subject: RE: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "Steve Walter" <swalter15 AT verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:30 -0500 For what it's worth, I came across an active Autumn Meadowhawk today at a neighborhood lake in Queens, Long Island. The local temperature was 47 degrees, a number that comes to mind as the lowest temperature at which I've seen Green Darners and hardier butterflies such as Common Buckeye and American Lady. And in fact, a Clouded Sulphur made a brief appearance a few minutes later. By the way, both of the dragonflies still being seen have been recorded into December in warmer years in southern New York and parts of New England. So they're not quite a big deal yet. Steve Walter Bayside, NY Subject: RE: Maine Aeshna From: "D W Bridgehouse" <d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:07:27 -0400 Hello all - I did say “Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little ! “ And also sometimes in some specimens its hard to differentiate verticalis from canadensis . Food for thought too ! So in agreement with u all “ The vertical view of thoracic stripes is a very poor diagnostic feature – due to the view “ . One thing is certain and that it is a male Aeshnid . All very good inferences Cheers – Derek Bridgehouse in Nova Scotia From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Corbiere Sent: November-11-11 2:00 PM To: Thomas W Donnelly Cc: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira; D W Bridgehouse; Northeast Odes Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna I do absolutely agree with Nick that this is a poor view of an Aeshna for ID purposes (not that it's a poor photo, mind you), and I also agree not to consider it "identified". From what I can see of the bug it does look like A verticalis to me, but would I bet even the decimal part of my paycheck on it? No, I would not. I choose to say "It looks like.......", rather than "Yes, It's A verticalis, but Nick is right that I should have made the reservation part clearer! Thank you, Nick. Glenn Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net From: Thomas W Donnelly To: Glenn Corbiere Cc: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ; D W Bridgehouse ; Northeast Odes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna You might be correct, but this is a very poor view to identify this Aeshna. The vertical view of thoracic stripes is a very poor diagnostic feature. I am sorry that you regard the bug as having been identified. Nick Donnelly On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Glenn Corbiere wrote: I agree that it looks like Aeshna verticalis. Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira To: D W Bridgehouse Cc: Northeast Odes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else think? Thanks for everyone's help, Annette On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse wrote: Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little ! DB From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira Sent: November-09-11 2:41 AM To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] [ Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] Hi, I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know what species this is? Thanks, Annette DeGiovine Oliveira Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira 1 of 1 Photo(s) Image removed by sender. Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) I do absolutely agree with Nick that this is a poor view of an Aeshna for ID purposes (not that it's a poor photo, mind you), and I also agree not to consider it "identified". From what I can see of the bug it does look like A verticalis to me, but would I bet even the decimal part of my paycheck on it? No, I would not.   I choose to say "It looks like.......", rather than "Yes, It's A verticalis, but Nick is right that I should have made the reservation part clearer!   Thank you, Nick.   Glenn           Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net ________________________________ From: Thomas W Donnelly To: Glenn Corbiere Cc: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ; D W Bridgehouse ; Northeast Odes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna   You might be correct, but this is a very poor view to identify this Aeshna.   The vertical view of thoracic stripes is a very poor diagnostic feature.  I am sorry that you regard the bug as having been identified.  Nick Donnelly On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Glenn Corbiere wrote: I agree that it looks like Aeshna verticalis. > > >Glenn Corbiere >100 Prospect St. >Chester, MA. 01011-9657 > >www.dragonhunter.net > > >From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira >To: D W Bridgehouse >Cc: Northeast Odes >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:25 AM >Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] > > >  >Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else think? > >Thanks for everyone's help, > >Annette > > > >On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse wrote: > >Could be Ae. verticalis but  not unusual  to see late autumn darners as  umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little ! >>  >>DB >>  >>From:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira >>Sent: November-09-11 2:41 AM >>To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] >>  >>[Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] >> >>Hi, >> >>I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know what species this is? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Annette DeGiovine Oliveira >> >> >>Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira >>1 of 1 Photo(s) >> >>Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:46 -0500 You might be correct, but this is a very poor view to identify this Aeshna. The vertical view of thoracic stripes is a very poor diagnostic feature. I am sorry that you regard the bug as having been identified. Nick Donnelly On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Glenn Corbiere wrote: > I agree that it looks like Aeshna verticalis. > > Glenn Corbiere > 100 Prospect St. > Chester, MA. 01011-9657 > > www.dragonhunter.net > > *From:* Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira > *To:* D W Bridgehouse > *Cc:* Northeast Odes > *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] > > > Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned > the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National > Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think > DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else > think? > > Thanks for everyone's help, > > Annette > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse < > d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as > umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little !**** > ** ** > DB**** > ** ** > *From:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira > *Sent:* November-09-11 2:41 AM > *To:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment]**** > ** ** > *[Attachment(s)from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] > * > > Hi, > > I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one > it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know > what species this is? > > Thanks, > > Annette DeGiovine Oliveira > > **** > *Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ***** > *1 of 1 Photo(s) ***** > [image: Image removed by sender. Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg] > **** > Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg > **** > > > **** > **** > > > > > Subject: past photos From: "sleitkam" <sleitkam AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:32:04 -0000 When Pam posted about the mantis with its double catch of dragonflies a week or so ago it got me thinking about some photos I'd taken in the past. I'm still trying to locate one batch, but the others I'd already posted in the photo section of this group. Therefore I'm sure some of you have seen them, but they've been there a few years so I thought I'd mention it in case anyone was interested. The batch in there now are of a large fishing spider. I believe the album is titled 'Steve's Pics', or something of that nature, and there a link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEodes/photos/album/1400352351/pic/list ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna From: Earle Baldwin <earlebaldwin AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:00:53 -0500 nicely done photos.... the location and date do matter. -- Earle Baldwin at Facebook Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira <graphicartist04 AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:34:10 -0500 Thanks Glenn! I looked at the images full size and compared them all to multiple images of the other suggested species and I came to the same conclusion. Annette On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Glenn Corbiere wrote: > I agree that it looks like Aeshna verticalis. > > Glenn Corbiere > 100 Prospect St. > Chester, MA. 01011-9657 > > www.dragonhunter.net > > *From:* Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira > *To:* D W Bridgehouse > *Cc:* Northeast Odes > *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] > > > [Attachment(s) from Annette > DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] > Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned > the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National > Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think > DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else > think? > > Thanks for everyone's help, > > Annette > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse < > d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as > umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little !**** > ** ** > DB**** > ** ** > *From:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira > *Sent:* November-09-11 2:41 AM > *To:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment]**** > ** ** > *[Attachment(s)from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] > * > > Hi, > > I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one > it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know > what species this is? > > Thanks, > > Annette DeGiovine Oliveira > > **** > *Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ***** > *1 of 1 Photo(s) ***** > [image: Image removed by sender. Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg] > **** > Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg > **** > > > **** > **** > > > > > > Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna From: Glenn Corbiere <gcorbiere AT dragonhunter.net> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:31:18 -0800 (PST) I agree that it looks like Aeshna verticalis. Glenn Corbiere 100 Prospect St. Chester, MA. 01011-9657 www.dragonhunter.net From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira To: D W Bridgehouse Cc: Northeast Odes Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment]   [Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else think? Thanks for everyone's help, Annette On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse wrote: Could be Ae. verticalis but  not unusual  to see late autumn darners as  umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little ! >  >DB >  >From:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira >Sent: November-09-11 2:41 AM >To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com >Subject: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] >  >[Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] > >Hi, > >I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know what species this is? > >Thanks, > >Annette DeGiovine Oliveira > > >Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira >1 of 1 Photo(s) >Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg > > > Subject: Re: Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira <graphicartist04 AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:25:05 -0500 Thanks everyone for help identifying this Aeshna. I should have mentioned the photo was take on September 28, 2011 when I was in The Acadia National Park in Maine. I blew up the thoracic stripes to show more detail. I think DB may have guessed correctly, Ae. verticalis. What does everyone else think? Thanks for everyone's help, Annette On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM, D W Bridgehouse < d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as > umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little !**** > > ** ** > > DB**** > > ** ** > > *From:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf > Of *Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira > *Sent:* November-09-11 2:41 AM > *To:* NEodes AT yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment]**** > > ** ** > > *[Attachment(s) <#1338a81581b69db7_TopText> from Annette > DeGiovine-Oliveira included below]* > > Hi, > > I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one > it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know > what species this is? > > Thanks, > > Annette DeGiovine Oliveira > > **** > > *Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira ***** > > *1 of 1 Photo(s) ***** > > [image: Image removed by sender. Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg] > **** > > Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg > **** > > > > **** > > **** > Subject: Adults in Lexington, MA From: MariaAA AT aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:18:29 -0500 (EST) Hi all, Today, in the fabulous weather, I saw (and then caught) an adult female Aeshna umbrosa at the stream along (northern?) side of the Arlington Great Meadows conservation land in Lexington, Mass. She had landed on a rotting log, just above the waterline...could have been ovipositing? Then I saw--really, I was bombarded by--a bunch of Sympetrums (should I assume that they were S. vicinum?) flying around the sunny vernal pool on the property (basin completely full of water). I would say I saw at least 10 individuals. Also saw a large ode flying around in the center, but not having my binocs I could not get a good look....however, I suspect it was Anax junius. Heard a few peepers today too... Maria Aliberti Lubertazzi Subject: RE: Maine Aeshna From: "D W Bridgehouse" <d.bridgehouse AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:44:51 -0400 Could be Ae. verticalis but not unusual to see late autumn darners as umbrosa and subarctica ! Hope this helps a little ! DB From: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:NEodes AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira Sent: November-09-11 2:41 AM To: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: [NEodes] Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira included below] Hi, I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know what species this is? Thanks, Annette DeGiovine Oliveira Attachment(s) from Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira 1 of 1 Photo(s) Image removed by sender. Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg Maine Aeshna_9-28-11.jpg Subject: Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: walter chadwick <mrcnaturally AT optonline.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:46:34 -0500 Today at Lenoir Nature Preserve, Yonkers, NY a few Anax junius were observed. One pair was flying while copulating. I am thinking perhaps these are migrants because on October 8 we had a snowstorm that dumped 6-8 inches on this area. Today’s temp was in the mid 60’s with plenty of sunshine. Walter Chadwick From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 PM To: Thomas W Donnelly Cc: NEodes AT yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NEodes] Re: Sympetrum vicinum We have had cold temperatures on LI last week. We actually went down below freezing so I thought the cold snap and the freezing weather would have killed all the remaining odes. I am wondering if the Meadowhawks emerged earlier and hide when the weather is bad or do they die off and another emergence happens if it warms up? Does anyone know? I was surprised to see so much activity on this pond after weeks of no activity. Annette On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly wrote: Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. Nick Donnelly Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "michaelxmoore" <mcmoore32 AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:29:45 -0000 I did a little poking around in the literature about dragonfly thermoregulation. For the more technically inclined, here is an interesting reference that can be found using Google Scholar: SFORMO, T. and DOAK, P. (2006), Thermal ecology of Interior Alaska dragonflies (Odonata: Anisoptera). Functional Ecology, 20: 114­123. Basically, large species, like Aeshna, can generate body heat with their wing muscles and can maintain high body temperatures when flying in cold air. Smaller species, like Meadowhawks can raise their body temps somewhat by basking, but are too small to retain the heat of muscle contraction. They must therefore have muscles that are optimized to work at lower body temperatures. For most species in this study the minimum flight temperature was 14 C (58 F). Mike Moore Newark, DE --- In NEodes AT yahoogroups.com, "michaelxmoore" wrote: > > Many animals survive cold by seeking warmer microclimates such as under cover, close to the ground, etc. A measured air temperature under a clear sky can be a lot colder than in a protected microclimate nearby. Even with air temps in the low 20's, there will be plenty of microclimates that do not freeze. I would guess that Autumn Meadowhawks survive by a combination of seeking warmer microclimates at night and physiological adaptations that allow them to avoid and/or tolerate freezing. > > There are also two questions with regard to cold tolerance. What is the lowest nighttime temperature they can survive and what is the lowest daytime temperature at which they can be active? On sunny days many animals can raise their body temperatures considerably by basking in the sun. Basking lizards in montane habitats can reach body temperatures of near 90 F when the air temperature is near freezing. > > Here in Delaware we have had several heavy frosts, but I do not think air temperatures have gotten below the very high 20's. Still I found three Autumn Meadowhawks, including a tandem pair, on Saturday (5 Nov) flying on a brilliantly sunny day at an air temperature of 48 F. I was impressed, but I found other insects still active too including some midges (food source?), a skipper sp and an Oblique-lined Tiger Beetle. > > Mike Moore > Newark, DE > > > --- In NEodes AT yahoogroups.com, "John and Sue Gregoire" wrote: > > > > The sympetrum warming on our dock yesterday had to have survived the 20 degree F low > > of a few days ago. > > Fred Sibley did a lot of late fall sympetrum checking a few years ago but don't know > > if he recorded weather data. > > -- > > John and Sue Gregoire > > Field Ornithologists > > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory > > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > > Burdett,NY 14818-9626 > > Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ > > "Conserve and Create Habitat" > > > > On Tue, November 8, 2011 22:44, Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira wrote: > > > We have had cold temperatures on LI last week. We actually went down below > > > freezing so I thought the cold snap and the freezing weather would have > > > killed all the remaining odes. I am wondering if the Meadowhawks emerged > > > earlier and hide when the weather is bad or do they die off and another > > > emergence happens if it warms up? Does anyone know? I was surprised to see > > > so much activity on this pond after weeks of no activity. > > > > > > Annette > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly > > > wrote: > > > > > >> ** > > >> > > >> > > >> Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal > > >> Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with > > >> temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > > >> > > >> Nick Donnelly > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:08:14 -0500 The answer is that I don't know. My quick assumption is that the temperature when they are feeding is more important. But who knows? Measuring night temperature more or less requires that you measure it where they are roosting. Night time temperature varies all over the place. We should not over analyze the problem, but some measurements might be interesting. Nick On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, June Tveekrem < damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> wrote: > I assume the 55 F must have been in the daytime. Wouldn't measuring the > overnight low temperature be a better indicator of how cold they can stand? > > June > > -- > June Tveekrem > Columbia, MD > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly > wrote: > > > > Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal > Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with > temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > > Nick Donnelly > > > > > Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "michaelxmoore" <mcmoore32 AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:20:33 -0000 Many animals survive cold by seeking warmer microclimates such as under cover, close to the ground, etc. A measured air temperature under a clear sky can be a lot colder than in a protected microclimate nearby. Even with air temps in the low 20's, there will be plenty of microclimates that do not freeze. I would guess that Autumn Meadowhawks survive by a combination of seeking warmer microclimates at night and physiological adaptations that allow them to avoid and/or tolerate freezing. There are also two questions with regard to cold tolerance. What is the lowest nighttime temperature they can survive and what is the lowest daytime temperature at which they can be active? On sunny days many animals can raise their body temperatures considerably by basking in the sun. Basking lizards in montane habitats can reach body temperatures of near 90 F when the air temperature is near freezing. Here in Delaware we have had several heavy frosts, but I do not think air temperatures have gotten below the very high 20's. Still I found three Autumn Meadowhawks, including a tandem pair, on Saturday (5 Nov) flying on a brilliantly sunny day at an air temperature of 48 F. I was impressed, but I found other insects still active too including some midges (food source?), a skipper sp and an Oblique-lined Tiger Beetle. Mike Moore Newark, DE --- In NEodes AT yahoogroups.com, "John and Sue Gregoire" wrote: > > The sympetrum warming on our dock yesterday had to have survived the 20 degree F low > of a few days ago. > Fred Sibley did a lot of late fall sympetrum checking a few years ago but don't know > if he recorded weather data. > -- > John and Sue Gregoire > Field Ornithologists > Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory > 5373 Fitzgerald Road > Burdett,NY 14818-9626 > Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ > "Conserve and Create Habitat" > > On Tue, November 8, 2011 22:44, Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira wrote: > > We have had cold temperatures on LI last week. We actually went down below > > freezing so I thought the cold snap and the freezing weather would have > > killed all the remaining odes. I am wondering if the Meadowhawks emerged > > earlier and hide when the weather is bad or do they die off and another > > emergence happens if it warms up? Does anyone know? I was surprised to see > > so much activity on this pond after weeks of no activity. > > > > Annette > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly > > wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal > >> Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with > >> temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > >> > >> Nick Donnelly > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:55:54 -0500 The sympetrum warming on our dock yesterday had to have survived the 20 degree F low of a few days ago. Fred Sibley did a lot of late fall sympetrum checking a few years ago but don't know if he recorded weather data. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" On Tue, November 8, 2011 22:44, Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira wrote: > We have had cold temperatures on LI last week. We actually went down below > freezing so I thought the cold snap and the freezing weather would have > killed all the remaining odes. I am wondering if the Meadowhawks emerged > earlier and hide when the weather is bad or do they die off and another > emergence happens if it warms up? Does anyone know? I was surprised to see > so much activity on this pond after weeks of no activity. > > Annette > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal >> Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with >> temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. >> >> Nick Donnelly >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ Subject: Maine Aeshna [1 Attachment] From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira <graphicartist04 AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:41:06 -0500 Hi, I took a few photos of an Aeshna I found in Maine. I wasn't sure which one it was because not all the thoracic stripes are visible. Does anyone know what species this is? Thanks, Annette DeGiovine Oliveira Subject: Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira <graphicartist04 AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:44:30 -0500 We have had cold temperatures on LI last week. We actually went down below freezing so I thought the cold snap and the freezing weather would have killed all the remaining odes. I am wondering if the Meadowhawks emerged earlier and hide when the weather is bad or do they die off and another emergence happens if it warms up? Does anyone know? I was surprised to see so much activity on this pond after weeks of no activity. Annette On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly wrote: > ** > > > Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal > Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with > temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > > Nick Donnelly > > > Subject: Re: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: Annette DeGiovine-Oliveira <graphicartist04 AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:26:57 -0500 Hi Nick, After having cold windy weather for a while on LI I wasn't finding any dragons or damsels but today we had milder weather with lots of sun and we had an explosion of Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn Meadowhawks) with about 8 Anax Junius on the same pond. They were all guarding, in tandem or ovapositing including the Anax Junius. There usually is only 1 or 2 Anax Junius on that pond. The pond is in a park surrounded by very old and tall white pines. It's off the main river and a little more protected. I knew the Meadowhawks were there but never saw so many Anax Junius there at the same time, in tandem and ovapositing this time of year. Annette On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly wrote: > ** > > > Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal > Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with > temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > > Nick Donnelly > > > Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:22:00 -0500 I assume the 55 F must have been in the daytime. Wouldn't measuring the overnight low temperature be a better indicator of how cold they can stand? June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, MD Sent from my iPad On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Thomas W Donnelly wrote: > > > Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. > > Nick Donnelly > > > Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: Thomas W Donnelly <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:15:12 -0500 Can you check the air temperature when you find a gathering of autumnal Sympetrum vicinum? Last year I found a cluster in a sheltered place with temperature 55 F. I am curious to know how cold they can stand. Nick Donnelly Subject: Odes Seen in Medfield, MA, Nov. 8 From: "waltw0814" <waltw0814 AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:03:00 -0000 For 3 hours this afternoon, we took advantage of the mid-60s warmth and visited six ponds along Route 27, from Walpole to Medfield, MA, mainly looking for migrating ducks but also keeping our eyes open for odes. Only two of the locations--both in Medfield--revealed odes. At Danielson Pond unidentified odes were flying across the middle of the pond--a couple of times dipping tails into the surface, apparently ovipositing. The second location actually was along a RR track running through Medfield State Forest but bordering marshes on each side. Here we encountered large numbers of Autumn Meadowhawks flitting around the track and along its banks. Walt Webb Westwood, MA ------------------------------------ Subject: Late ode From: "LARRY FEDERMAN" <birderlarry AT verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:10:19 -0500 Yesterday, at our RamsHorn-Livingston Sanctuary in the Town of Catskill, Greene County, NY, I observed a single dragon over the RamsHorn Creek and marsh. Appeared to be an Aeschna, but I could not get my binocular on it. Surprised me for sure! Larry Federman Education Coordinator Audubon New York Rheinstrom Hill, Buttercup Farm, RamsHorn-Livingston Audubon Centers and Sanctuaries ----- Original Message ----- From: trybulj To: NEodes Odes Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [NEodes] Sympetrum vicinum Sounds fantastic. Even though we're enjoying the warmth now, I haven't seen a single ode since we had the multiple nights below freezing last week up here in northern NY. Jan On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: Some very cold nights have reduced the number of Odes we have here to just a few Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn meadowhawk), no damselflies. Yesterday we visited Montezuma NWR in central NY and saw hundreds of S. vicinum sharing a dirt road with hundreds of Comma butterflies and ladybugs. All three species were landing all over us as we waded through them. It was a treat. Sue G. Jan Trybula, Ph.D. Adirondack Biodiversity: ATBI Co-leader Odonata TWiG Department of Biology SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Avenue Potsdam NY 13676 office: 205A Stowell Hall email: trybulj AT potsdam.edu phone: 315-267-2258 Subject: Re: Sympetrum vicinum From: "trybulj" <trybulj AT potsdam.edu> Date: 8 Nov 2011 13:04:26 -0500 Sounds fantastic. Even though we're enjoying the warmth now, I haven't seen a single ode since we had the multiple nights below freezing last week up here in northern NY. Jan On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: > Some very cold nights have reduced the number of Odes we have here > to just a few > Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn meadowhawk), no damselflies. Yesterday we > visited > Montezuma NWR in central NY and saw hundreds of S. vicinum sharing a > dirt road with > hundreds of Comma butterflies and ladybugs. All three species were > landing all over > us as we waded through them. It was a treat. > > Sue G. > > Jan Trybula, Ph.D. Adirondack Biodiversity: ATBI Co-leader Odonata TWiG Department of Biology SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Avenue Potsdam NY 13676 office: 205A Stowell Hall email: trybulj AT potsdam.edu phone: 315-267-2258 Subject: Sympetrum vicinum From: "John and Sue Gregoire" <khmo AT empacc.net> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:58:07 -0500 Some very cold nights have reduced the number of Odes we have here to just a few Sympetrum vicinum (Autumn meadowhawk), no damselflies. Yesterday we visited Montezuma NWR in central NY and saw hundreds of S. vicinum sharing a dirt road with hundreds of Comma butterflies and ladybugs. All three species were landing all over us as we waded through them. It was a treat. Sue G. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ "Conserve and Create Habitat" ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Red ode ID help From: walter chadwick <mrcnaturally AT optonline.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:02:47 -0400 I agree with Josh it is not a saddlebags but a male Scarlet Skimmer. Walter From: Joshua Rose Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 1:13 AM To: Northeast Odes Group Subject: Re: [NEodes] Red ode ID help Hi Fernando - no, that is not any Tramea with which I am familiar. I want to call it a Scarlet Skimmer, Crocothemis servilia, an Asian species which has become established as an exotic in southern Florida (and also Hawai'i). The color seems a little off, but maybe it's just the lighting conditions when you took the photo.... Cheers, Josh Joshua Rose, Ph.D. Amherst, MA mailto:opihi%40mindspring.com http://bugguide.net/user/view/2399 http://www.facebook.com/opihi On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:45 AM, fcorrada wrote: > I took this image 2 weeks ago in Orlando,Florida. I thought it might be a Tramea (Saddlebag) but I am not sure. Please let me know what specie I have photographed? Thank you. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/febco1/6313703823/in/photostream > > Fernando B. Corrada > S. Burlington,VT > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >