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5 Nov window strikes [Carol Kershner ] 3 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow [John Curran ] 3 Nov NW Missouri Summary 10-30 to 11-2-09 [Doug Willis ] 3 Nov SPARKS Emphasis Parks [Edge ] 2 Nov Re: my posts.. why keep on with them.. not giving up mobirds. [J C Allen ] 2 Nov Cooley Lake; Smithville, 5/2; Western Grebe NOT [Bob Fisher ] 2 Nov Red-breasted Nuthatch St. Francois CO [Judy Bergmann ] 2 Nov Re: Of Terns and ETS [Joyce Rosson ] 2 Nov Northern Shrike, Livingston Co. [Dianne & Steve Kinder ] 2 Nov SIX TRUMPETER SWANS ARRIVED AT RMBS: Heron Pond 11.02.2009 [Paul Bauer ] 4 Nov 1000 Hills Adair Co. [Frankie Cuculich ] 4 Nov Re: LeConte's Sparrow, Wallpaper, No Sighting [Patrick Harrison ] 2 Nov Fw: ID of tern at Carlyle Lake 10/31 [Bob Fisher ] 2 Nov Re: Rusty Blackbirds - Cooley Lake CA [Jennifer Reidy ] 4 Nov Of Terns and ETS [Leslie B Jenkins ] 2 Nov Tern ID [Charlene and Jim Malone ] 2 Nov Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake [Bill Rudden ] 2 Nov Golden Eagle in Macon Co. on Oct. 31 [Robert Brundage ] 2 Nov Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake [Bob Fisher ] 2 Nov my posts.. why keep on with them.. St.Louis Co [J C Allen ] 2 Nov ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake [Charlene and Jim Malone ] 2 Nov Re: Cliffy, Sandhill, G.Yellowlegs, G.Scaup, Vesper, Otter Slough CA area, 11/1, Stoddard Co. [Chris Hobbs ] 2 Nov Rose-Breasted Grosbeaks in Troy this AM [John Hitzeman ] 2 Nov Western Grebe - Smithville Lake 11/02 [Kristi Mayo ] 2 Nov Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County [Edge ] 2 Nov Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA [Edge ] 2 Nov denouement, my backyard, St.Louis County [J C Allen ] 2 Nov Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA [Chris Hobbs ] 2 Nov Rusty Blackbirds - Cooley Lake CA [Matt Gearheart ] 2 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow [David Scheu ] 2 Nov Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County [Andrew Forbes ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow [John Curran ] 1 Nov Shorebird Opportunity, St. Chas. County [Mike Thelen ] 1 Nov Red-breasted Nuthatch, Holly Ridge CA, 11/1, Stoddard Co. [Chris Barrigar ] 1 Nov Thomas Hill, Long Branch and Little Dixie Lakes [Jean Leonatti ] 1 Nov Cliffy, Sandhill, G.Yellowlegs, G.Scaup, Vesper, Otter Slough CA area, 11/1, Stoddard Co. [Chris Barrigar ] 1 Nov Carlyle Lake Report - STL birders [Charlene and Jim Malone ] 3 Nov DE Juncos, North StLouis County [Ken Thompson ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow [Ruth Reeg ] 1 Nov Re: Question on Birding on Denver Area [Eric Schuette ] 1 Nov Saturday's Birds at Squaw Creek NWR [Larry Lade ] 1 Nov Buffleheads,Fox Sparrow,Lesser Scaup, others-Big Muddy,Boone's Crossing Unit [bryan prather ] 1 Nov PINE SISKIN-Columbia [Edge ] 1 Nov Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County [Edge ] 1 Nov Lost SIBLEY FIELD GUIDE [Edge ] 1 Nov last day feeding , DE Juncos . St. Louis County [J C Allen ] 1 Nov Pine Siskin in yard/Project Feeder Watch [Ruth Simmons ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? [Jackie Chain ] 1 Nov Re: RMBS Eared Grebe and Common Loon [Wu Chang ] 1 Nov Black Scoters at Little Dixie Lake ["Wade, Jerry L. (Emeritus)" ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? [Joyce Rosson ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? [J C Allen ] 2 Nov Re: iPod birding software recommendations? [Margy Terpstra ] 1 Nov Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow [John Curran ] 1 Nov Re: Question on Birding on Denver Area [Cornelius Alwood ] 1 Nov Re: So long, and thanks for all the birds! [Bill Rudden ] 2 Nov RMBS Eared Grebe and Common Loon [Al and Lois Smith ] 2 Nov Eurasian Tree Sparrow [Spencer Byrne ] 31 Oct So long, and thanks for all the birds! [peter keyel ] 31 Oct Question on Birding on Denver Area [David Starrett ] 31 Oct White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County [Eric Wood ] 31 Oct Common Loon at Little Dixie Lake [Bonnie Heidy ] 31 Oct Common Loon at Little Dixie Lake Calloway County [Eric Wood ] 31 Oct Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA [Edge ] 31 Oct Re: Yellow-rumped Warblers Video from 10/25/2009 [Jackie Chain ] 31 Oct CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA [Bob Fisher ] 31 Oct Cooley Lake birds this morning [Jennifer Reidy ] 31 Oct Night-Heron, Bunting [Edge ] 31 Oct Green Heron, Duck Creek CA, 10/31, Stoddard CO. [Chris Barrigar ] 31 Oct Re: Lack of Acorns, not in my backyard [J C Allen ] 31 Oct Re: iPod birding software recommendations? [Bob Fisher ] 31 Oct Yellow-rumped Warblers Video from 10/25/2009 [John Curran ] 31 Oct Lack of Acorns [Marvin Staloch ] 31 Oct LITTLE GULL - Carlyle Lake, IL [Charlene and Jim Malone ] 31 Oct Eared Grebe at RMBS [Charlene and Jim Malone ] 1 Nov iPod birding software recommendations? [Margy Terpstra ] Subject: window strikes From: Carol Kershner <carol AT WILDBIRDREHAB.ORG> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:27:32 -0600 For the last month or so at Wild Bird Rehabilitation in St. Louis, we've been receiving mostly birds injured by hitting windows. Last week it was 3 golden crowned kinglets - one released the other two died (1 -fractured shoulder 1- head trauma) Today we took in a yellow billed cuckoo from the Chesterfield area. Still awfully groggy. The USPS went out of their way delivering. They brought us an American woodcock from downtown and almost a young american coot. The coot had got itself stranded on the roof of their downtown building. After a bit of a chase it was able run across the roof and clear the four foot wall. Last seen heading down Market to the roof of the Federal Building - hopefully it will figure a way to exit St. Louis. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Fall Meeting: September 25-27 at Lake of the Ozarks State Park http://mobirds.org/Meetings/fallmtg09.asp Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: John Curran <webjc AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:34:51 -0800 David, you are right NABA do not suggest relocating the house sparrows. I just figured this was a sensitive topic so I didn't want to say it. But since it is true, I'll quote what they suggest with House Sparrows. "Since House Sparrows are classified as pests and are not protected by federal law, they should be quickly and humanely dispatched as soon as they are captured. Do not consider relocating the bird, as this just relocates the problem." http://www.nabluebirdsociety.org/sparrowcontrol.htm Thanks, John Curran --- On Mon, 11/2/09, David Scheu wrote: > From: David Scheu > Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 9:01 AM > I don't know that there is a right > answer for House Sparrows and other > unwanted wildlife, but I do know that relocation is the > wrong answer, > and it is NOT what the Bluebird Society recommends. If you > believe the > sparrows are so detrimental to native birds that > intervention is > necessary, how could you also think it an acceptable > solution to dump > them in someone else's back yard, so they can crowd out and > kill native > birds there? > > Dave Scheu > St. Louis, MO > david.scheu AT swmcmillan.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU] > On > Behalf Of John Curran > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:23 PM > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > > I guess I side more with the BlueBirds of North American > Society (I'm > not a member of) where removal and eradications of sparrows > is listed on > their site in order for bluebirds to thrive in an area. > > Until I trapped and relocated sparrows, I had zero > bluebirds. Now I have > 2 successful seasons of bluebirds, and 3 broods raised in 3 > years. > > The ETS harrass and take over nesting boxes for bluebirds, > chickadees, > and housewrens in my small little backyard. I know this has > to occur > everywhere else ETS and House sparrows roam. > > If we just allow birds to be birds, then shouldn't we just > let bugs be > bugs (green ash borer) and plants be plants (bush > honeysuckle)? > > It does seem the consensus is  that since it's a bird > unique to the > midwest, then why not let it thrive, even if it crowds out > and kills > native birds. I would think at some point the ETS will be > as numerous as > House Sparrows. I think it will only be a matter of time. > > Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I was just curious. I used > to be at that > point many years ago, neat, an ETS. Until I saw what they > did to the > native birds. > > John Curran > Manchester, MO > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Fall Meeting: September 25-27 at Lake of the Ozarks State Park http://mobirds.org/Meetings/fallmtg09.asp Subject: NW Missouri Summary 10-30 to 11-2-09 From: Doug Willis <birdsnbrews AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:36:50 -0800 Hello All: I managed to get some birding in the past few days between work and family stuff. Smithville Lake (Clay County, MO) has been very dynamic over the weekend. Highlights as follows: Friday PM: Common Loon-4 Common Tern-3 Forster's Tern-1 The terns were seen at the Little Platte Marina boatslips. Overall, the lake was pretty quiet birdwise. Met Joe Eades at Smithville Lake Sat. evening. Wow! The lake was loaded down with gulls, ducks and loons. Notables: Common Loon-88 (possibly a new Smithville high count!) Huge raft of ducks, including FOS Red Breasted Merganser, Bufflehead, Ring-Necked Duck and Canvasback. We had one small, dark loon in the waning light at a great distance. Couldn't ID for sure, though. Sunday AM: Prarie Falcon-1 (seen north of Bob Brown CA ,Holt County) Spotted by Joe..."bird of the day" FOS Harris Sparrows and American Tree Sparrows in brushpiles at this locale. Squaw Creek NWR was full of ducks and geese (although only 500+ Snow Geese observed). Had one Blue-Headed Vireo in the cedars near the start of the auto tour. Cackling Geese could be picked out of the Canada's. Shorebirds included Dunlin, Dowitcher, sp., both Yellowlegs, Pectoral Sandpiper and American Avocet. 100+ Rusty Blackbirds were working the remnant bottomland north of Mallard Marsh. Raptor numbers and diversity was quite impressive, with Krider's-type, Harlan's-type, Eastern and Western type Red-Tailed Hawks observed. Sunday PM: Smithville Lake proved disappointing, with perhaps the weirdest lighting conditions I have ever seen at the lake. Even in the evening, the shimmer proved nearly unbearable. Joe theorized that the temp. difference between air and H2O was the culprit. Nonetheless, we were able to pick out 45 Common Loons from the north end of the dam. Waterfowl numbers/diversity were way down from Sat. Monday AM: Spent a few hours at the Smoke and Davey trail/Smithville Lake. Tried in vain to relocate the Spotted Towhees. Berries (Dogwood, grape, poison ivy, etc.) fast disappearing. Still many Yellow-Rumped Warblers, Cedar Waxwings, Sparrows, etc. Very nice raft of ducks on the main body of the lake, well-chronicled by Kristi Mayo in a previous post. Never saw the Western Grebe (again!). Seemed like more Bonaparte's Gulls around today. Scoped a raft of 21 Common Loon. Good Birding, Doug Willis Liberty, MO birdsnbrews AT yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Fall Meeting: September 25-27 at Lake of the Ozarks State Park http://mobirds.org/Meetings/fallmtg09.asp Subject: SPARKS Emphasis Parks From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:41:27 -0600 The SPARKS (state parks checklist project) has undergone a shift of focus. We are moving from the practice of changing target parks annually to a longer term emphasis on a few selected state parks. Of course, ALL site visit reports to all DNR sites are still very much needed for the SPARKS database. The change just means that we will have a multi-year emphasis/special effort to collect data for a few parks, with an occasional addition of a park for special attention over the course of one to three years. The parks selected for this long-term emphasis are part of or near Important Bird Areas (IBAs), and/or are part of or near Conservation Oportunity Areas (COAs), and/or are part of or near ongoing or proposed major habitat improvement work. Special emphasis parks: Park County Bennett Spring Dallas and Laclede Ha Ha Tonka Camden Johnson’s Shut-Ins Reynolds Long Branch Macon Meramec Franklin Pershing Linn Prairie Barton Weston Bend Platte Let’s go birding! Edge Wade ASM Conservation Partnership Coordinator Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Fall Meeting: September 25-27 at Lake of the Ozarks State Park http://mobirds.org/Meetings/fallmtg09.asp Subject: Re: my posts.. why keep on with them.. not giving up mobirds. From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:22:02 -0800   my phrase " moving on" only meant I'm moving on from that particular subject matter (feeding the birds). It is true without having all that bird life in my yard, I may post less often.. I did not receive any disrespectful e-mails, only a variety of points of view.  so I think it was well covered.   maybe I was bit too personal re: my stuff.. didn't mean to be dramatic.     Jane Allen  ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net  St. Louis County  -- Hi Jane   I dont write much on the boards and almost never send an email direct to someone, but I just wanted you to know I am sorry if you are leaving the boards.    I     --- On Mon, 11/2/09, J C Allen wrote: From: J C Allen Subject: my posts.. why keep on with them.. St.Louis Co To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 5:40 PM  I'm getting some interesting private responses to my posts re: feeding the birds. Some may have noted that I've been ambivalent since the beginning of feeding the birds.  And I am getting the feedback that supports the variety of feelings people have.     I love seeing the birds in the yard, some of the drama seen there. I appreciate how humans have interfered with the natural environment for birds and other wildlife.  I have felt needed and yet got in over my head.     Some mitigating issues:  I live relatively close (as birds fly) to natural areas (i.e. Grant's Farm, other city parks.  When out and about in these areas, I've seen healthy populations of "my birds".  I am open to  periods of episodic feeding during times of weather issues that interfere with usual natural feeding. I continue to put out fresh and when necessary warmed water and make my yard more hospitable in a self renewing way.     One more thing:  the spark that exploded for me re: feeding came with that spotted towhee that came and stayed for four months during the winter. I got hooked in a care-taking mode for that one bird.. and enjoyed others seeing it.. got me in touch with the broader birding community. and I lost two beloved pets in the last few years.     So I am moving on...    Jane Allen  ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net  St. Louis Co.------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Cooley Lake; Smithville, 5/2; Western Grebe NOT From: Bob Fisher <bobgfisher AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:11:08 -0600 Gary Johnson and I birded Cooley Lake CA and Smithville Lake today. Let me get right to the point. All of the good birds reported by others at these locations were gone -- if not in hiding. No Rusty Blackbirds, singing Marsh Wren, Fox Sparrows, etc. at Cooley. Just the usual. No Western Grebe at Smithville Lake. No Canvasbacks. No Pintail either. We did, however, corroborate the following reports: 14 Common Loons at Smithville - one group of 8, plus another of 5, plus a lone individual = 14. Lots of ducks. Astronomical numbers of Coots huddled together in tight rafts. Oodles of Franklin's Gulls still coming in to the evening roost at dusk (at least 1000). In addition, we did see the following at Smithville Lake : 3 White Pelicans 1 Forster's Tern 8-10 Horned Grebes 1 Bufflehead I also noted the following meteorological phenomena: Whenever we wanted to spish or play the tape for sparrows, it would cloud over and get gloomy and windy. When we were observing the lake from the picnic area, the sun was out, and it was obvious that viewing conditions on the dam were ideal. By the time we got to the dam 15 minutes later, clouds covered the sun; the atmosphere was gloomy, and objects on the water were quite dark and bouncing around because the lake's surface was somewhat agitated by wind. And so it goes, sometimes. Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Red-breasted Nuthatch St. Francois CO From: Judy Bergmann <judithbergmann AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:10:50 -0600 MoBirders: My daughter, who lives on an acreage outside Park Hills has been seeing a Red-breasted Nuthatch daily since Saturday, she told me today. She had two that stayed all winter two winters ago and last winter she had none. Perhaps we'll have a good winter for them. Judy Bergmann Rural Bonne Terre St/ Francois Co. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: Of Terns and ETS From: Joyce Rosson <motherswift AT MSN.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:08:51 -0600 Right on!! Joyce Rosson ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie B Jenkins To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Of Terns and ETS Just having looked at Bill Ruddens Tern I would agree this is an Artic Tern, if I was on the beach in Wales or Devon and saw that I wouln't have any hesitation in deciding that, and I've seen lots of them. As for the ETS question, I usually avoid these topics like the plague but I have one question for those who think they should be removed, the question is if somebody physically picked you up and put you in a cage and shipped you overseas to say some remote part of Asia or Africa and there was no way that you could get back home , what would you do?Make the most of your new home is probably the answer.Many humans 100's of years ago had the same thing happen to them as the original family of ETS's that came to StLouis, they were shipped to the US against there will, surely it's not still the thinking of some people in this fine country that they should all be shipped out to. Just like people from all over the world that have been made welcome here Parrots, Pheasants, Swans and many others have been made very welcome so whats the problem with the lowly ETS. Diversity of culture is what makes this country great.Les Jenkins ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Northern Shrike, Livingston Co. From: Dianne & Steve Kinder <dmkinder AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:43:18 -0800 This morning I saw a Shrike flying towards me as I was driving a gravel road. My first thought was that it looked to long-tailed for a Loggerhead. Of course it flew East towards the sun before landing on a power line. Fortunately I was able to get a scope view and verify it as a Northern Shrike. It was seen in Western Livingston Co., close to the Daviess Co. line,  between the very small towns of Sampsel and Lock Springs. I had gone there to look for Longspurs and other open area birds - was not even thinking about NSHR. Saw a few Horned Lark, no Longspurs but did hear one rattle while scoping the NSHR. Mucho traffic on the roads today with the farmers working hard to get the crops out with the drier weather this week.   I saw another Shrike as it flew away behind me a little ways up hyw U as I headed for the Poosey CA area. I could not relocate it but my impression of that one was probably a Loggerhead. Saw several Northern Harriers around Poosey and lots of Dogs and upland bird hunters. I did finally spot a Rough-legged Hawk perched towards the top of a small tree about half a mile away. I was able to get a scope look of it also for verification. It was a light phase female or immature.     I checked some places the last two evenings where I have seen Short-eared Owls the last couple of years. I saw NOHA - 4 at one place and two big white tail bucks, but no SEOW yet.   I had a Red-breasted Nuthatch in the backyard yesterday but never saw it go to the feeders.   Wonder if it is going to be a third good year for NSHR?     Later,  Steve Kinder Chillicothe, Livingston Co. dmkinder AT yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: SIX TRUMPETER SWANS ARRIVED AT RMBS: Heron Pond 11.02.2009 From: Paul Bauer <bauerbird5511 AT ATT.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:38:06 -0800     The Heron Pond region of Riverlands is being flooded for the winter waterfowl season to enlarge the area under control from the 18 acres to the full 42 acres..     This action will  start the process of causing the vegetation to decay, so that some day the Managed Shorebird Habitat will be available during the peak Spring and Fall  shorebird migrations periods.     Also realize that flooding is necessary in June and the first half of July to stop the growth of new vegetation. The biggest "enemy" of mudflat habitat are willow trees that   eliminate the desired and needed habitat, and their leaves which help to silt in the pond.      The bonus was the sighting in the Subject.  Forgive me if it sounds like I'm still trying to "sell" this topic.  It has taken so long to get all of the physical elements needed to do the job, now we must wait and learn how to make it work. After waiting through all of these active years of effort since 1992,  I hope we can  be patient enough to see the final results become more than we dared to dream !     Again To ALL of my Birding Friends:  ALWAYS HAVE FUN; GO BIRDING !     Paul Bauer;        Florissant, St. Louis County, Missouri      ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: 1000 Hills Adair Co. From: Frankie Cuculich <flcuculich AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:30:13 -0600 Spent a couple hours before work at 1000 Hills SP. Highlights: Bonaparte's gull-18 Ring-billed gull horned grebe-1 mallard gadwall shovler ring-necked duck lesser scaup imm. bald eagle green heron In the pine grove red breasted nuthatch FOY sapsucker w. t. sparrow I couldn't see any unusal ducks, had to just look for drakes. They were to far to ID. Bird on!! Frankie Cuculich Brashear Mo. Adair Co ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: LeConte's Sparrow, Wallpaper, No Sighting From: Patrick Harrison <saxman AT MARKTWAIN.NET> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:53:36 -0600 If you have images you would like to make available for use as "wallpaper" for the public, send a copy to me at webmaster AT mobirds.org. I'll collect them and will make them available selectively as time passes. Thanks, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Fw: ID of tern at Carlyle Lake 10/31 From: Bob Fisher <bobgfisher AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:49:54 -0600 Dan Kassebaum replied to my email as follows: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Kassebaum To: Bob Fisher Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: ID of tern at Carlyle Lake 10/31 Bob, I'm quite certain the tern is a COTE and not an ARTE. The inner primaries are new compared to the older outer primaries. COTE molt before migration and ARTE molt after migration. Dan Don't fret, Charlyne. Sometimes when I stick my neck out, I learn while my head is being lopped off. Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: Rusty Blackbirds - Cooley Lake CA From: Jennifer Reidy <grizzlyskye AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:10:37 -0600 Oh man, I was specifically looking for Rusties in a wooded swamp at Cooley Lake (north area adjacent to bluff) last weekend to no avail:( Jennifer Reidy Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:16:08 -0600 From: gearheart.matt AT GMAIL.COM Subject: Rusty Blackbirds - Cooley Lake CA To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Yesterday, Nic Allen I and made a brief visit to Cooley Lake CA, Clay County around dusk. First heard, then seen, we counted just over 100 Rusty Blackbirds in the trees at the Southern parking area. Also noted were a few Fox Sparrows and a singing Marsh Wren. Earlier in the day, just over the state line, I spotted 2 different Red-Shafted Flickers in Kansas. Good Birding, Matt Gearheart Shawnee, KS gearheart.matt AT gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:112009 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Of Terns and ETS From: Leslie B Jenkins <m1n1lover AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:56:33 -0600 Just having looked at Bill Ruddens Tern I would agree this is an Artic Tern, if I was on the beach in Wales or Devon and saw that I wouln't have any hesitation in deciding that, and I've seen lots of them. As for the ETS question, I usually avoid these topics like the plague but I have one question for those who think they should be removed, the question is if somebody physically picked you up and put you in a cage and shipped you overseas to say some remote part of Asia or Africa and there was no way that you could get back home , what would you do?Make the most of your new home is probably the answer.Many humans 100's of years ago had the same thing happen to them as the original family of ETS's that came to StLouis, they were shipped to the US against there will, surely it's not still the thinking of some people in this fine country that they should all be shipped out to. Just like people from all over the world that have been made welcome here Parrots, Pheasants, Swans and many others have been made very welcome so whats the problem with the lowly ETS. Diversity of culture is what makes this country great.Les Jenkins ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Tern ID From: Charlene and Jim Malone <2bbirdn AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:56:25 -0600 I did not look at this tern well enough before jumping the gun. Erase, Erase, ERASE. Hopefully I will learn not to do this STUPID thing again...but probably not. Can't spell either........ Charlene Malone St. Louis co. ---------------- Subject: Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake From: Bill Rudden Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:10:21 -0800 Be careful Dan K. doesn't call a tern Common without thought. Here a web pic of a Arctic Tern: http://pie.midco.net/dougback/arctic_tern.htm?? Note the REALLY short legs compared to Common ? ? ? ?the fast tapering bill ? ? ? ?rounder forehead than Common ? ? ? ?dark secondary panel It appears hard to eliminate a worn adult Common Tern. Bill RuddenSt. Louisbilrudn AT yahoo.com --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Bob Fisher wrote: From: Bob Fisher Subject: Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 11:50 AM I think? the bird labld "October 31"?may be an Arctic Tern. Note the very short tarsus, round head, short neck, short bill (all dark red in one photo), weak carpal bar, pale upperwing?and narrow black trailing edge of the? underwing primaries. ? Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake From: Bill Rudden <bilrudn AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:10:21 -0800 Be careful Dan K. doesn't call a tern Common without thought. Here a web pic of a Arctic Tern: http://pie.midco.net/dougback/arctic_tern.htm   Note the REALLY short legs compared to Common        the fast tapering bill        rounder forehead than Common        dark secondary panel It appears hard to eliminate a worn adult Common Tern. Bill RuddenSt. Louisbilrudn AT yahoo.com --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Bob Fisher wrote: From: Bob Fisher Subject: Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 11:50 AM I think  the bird labld "October 31" may be an Arctic Tern. Note the very short tarsus, round head, short neck, short bill (all dark red in one photo), weak carpal bar, pale upperwing and narrow black trailing edge of the  underwing primaries.   Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Golden Eagle in Macon Co. on Oct. 31 From: Robert Brundage <r.brundage AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:52:30 -0600 While deer hunting, a beautiful Golden Eagle soared over the top of my tree stand for almost a minute. I have not seen a Golden in some years in Missouri. . ____________________ Robert J. Brundage 354 Cannondale Rd. Jefferson City, MO 65109 (573) 893-5753 Home (573) 338-5753 Cell ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake From: Bob Fisher <bobgfisher AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:50:10 -0600 I think the bird labld "October 31" may be an Arctic Tern. Note the very short tarsus, round head, short neck, short bill (all dark red in one photo), weak carpal bar, pale upperwing and narrow black trailing edge of the underwing primaries. Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: my posts.. why keep on with them.. St.Louis Co From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:40:55 -0800  I'm getting some interesting private responses to my posts re: feeding the birds. Some may have noted that I've been ambivalent since the beginning of feeding the birds.  And I am getting the feedback that supports the variety of feelings people have.     I love seeing the birds in the yard, some of the drama seen there. I appreciate how humans have interfered with the natural environment for birds and other wildlife.  I have felt needed and yet got in over my head.     Some mitigating issues:  I live relatively close (as birds fly) to natural areas (i.e. Grant's Farm, other city parks.  When out and about in these areas, I've seen healthy populations of "my birds".  I am open to  periods of episodic feeding during times of weather issues that interfere with usual natural feeding. I continue to put out fresh and when necessary warmed water and make my yard more hospitable in a self renewing way.     One more thing:  the spark that exploded for me re: feeding came with that spotted towhee that came and stayed for four months during the winter. I got hooked in a care-taking mode for that one bird.. and enjoyed others seeing it.. got me in touch with the broader birding community. and I lost two beloved pets in the last few years.     So I am moving on...    Jane Allen  ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net  St. Louis Co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: ID Challege - Tern at Carlyle Lake From: Charlene and Jim Malone <2bbirdn AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:19:23 -0600 ILLINOIS bird - Carlyle Lake "Common" v. Forster's v. Common For those advanced birders: Check out the various tern photos http://www.htc.net/~kdan/report.htm E-mail comments to Dan. (e-mail bottom of his page) Charlene Malone St. Louis co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: Cliffy, Sandhill, G.Yellowlegs, G.Scaup, Vesper, Otter Slough CA area, 11/1, Stoddard Co. From: Chris Hobbs <chobbs AT EVERESTKC.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:13:26 -0500 Hi Chris, did you consider (rule-out) Cave Swallow?! Any pics? Chris Hobbs Shawnee, KS chobbs AT everestkc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Barrigar <1chrisbarrigar AT LIVE.COM> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:18 pm Subject: Cliffy, Sandhill, G.Yellowlegs, G.Scaup, Vesper, Otter Slough CA area, 11/1, Stoddard Co. > > Greetings! > > Today at Otter Slough CA, I ran into Dr. Eddleman and his class on > field trip, and they allowed me to tag along. > > Along the South end of Otter Slough CA on a utility wire > overlooking Pool 21 sat a lone Cliff Swallow. It was a welcomed > surprise! > > > Chris Barrigar > Bloomfield > Stoddard Co. > 1chrisbarrigar AT live.com > chrisbarrigar AT hotmail.com > > http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris > > http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris1 > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum > Questions or comments? Email the list owners: > mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Rose-Breasted Grosbeaks in Troy this AM From: John Hitzeman <rgspemkt AT AOL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:12:03 -0500 Besides a ton of Goldfinches, Titmice, Chickadees, House Finches and some others, an immature male and a mature female Rose-Breasted Grosbeak(s) visited the backyard feeders this AM. I was a bit surprised, but the heavy breast streaking and beaks were proof. We also had White-Crowned Sparrows at the same time and there was no confusion. John Hitzeman Troy, MO ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Western Grebe - Smithville Lake 11/02 From: Kristi Mayo <kristi AT WRITEBIRDS.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:10:36 -0600 A single Western Grebe was in the raft of 1000+ ducks on the main body of Smithville Lake (Clay Co.) this morning. Birds were in good light and at a decent scoping distance from the west cul-de-sac of the north campground at Crow's Creek. Nice variety, including Bufflehead and Canvasbacks. Last seen at 9:20 am. Yesterday afternoon there was a group of at least 14 Common Loons near the dam. Today I only saw one or two on the main body of the lake, but they are likely scattered out and feeding in the coves (if they're still around). Around 8:00 this morning, I observed what looked to be a dark-backed adult larid flying north up the main channel as 1000s of Franklin's Gulls were taking flight - Seen with binoculars only from my position near the dam; not ideal light. But could be worth watching for. Kristi Mayo Kearney MO (Clay Co.) kristi AT writebirds.com Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:19 -0600 On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Forbes wrote: > albino Barred Owl of the Scott/KK Intersection This bird is leucistic, not albino, as it has brown eyes. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:26 -0600 Thank you, Chris! Good memories and research efforts are a great help to all. Does anyone have information regarding the Carolina Chickadee or Pine Grosbeak observations? If no record immediately at hand, these will be followed up with a query to the MBRC. Edge Wade (wish I were out birding!) Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Chris Hobbs wrote: > Once upon a time, Jas. A Reed WMA was 'out in the country' and a > pretty darned good little birding spot! Today, it's more like a > large greenspace within a residential development (not necessarily > a 'bad' place - just very different these days). > > Baird's Sparrow from 30 October 1971, and Iceland Gull from 15 > December 1984 were documented (field notes taken and sketches made > during the observation) and reviewed / accepted by others. The > Baird's passed muster with Robbins and Easterla for inclusion in > Birds of Missouri. Kim Eckert discussed the Iceland Gull > observation in American Birds 85th Christmas Count issue. > > Chris Hobbs > Shawnee, KS > chobbs AT everestkc.net > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Fisher > > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:15 pm > > Subject: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA > > > > After a brief trip to Reed CA today, I took a look at the > > checklist. It contains the following highly improbable entries: > > > > Ruffed Grouse > > Iceland Gull > > Carolina Chickadee > > Baird's Sparrow > > Pine Grosbeak > > > > Can anything be done about that? > > > > > > Bob Fisher > > Independence, MO > > bobgfisher AT comcast.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum > > List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: denouement, my backyard, St.Louis County From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:47:02 -0800   Seed feeders removed (except for nyger socks).  fresh water available in three places. Two eurasian tree sparrows are bringing pine needles to one bird house ( I know, not so native as bluebirds) for roosting, I guess.. Still a number of birds scouring the grass/green stuff under former feeders and a number of birds in the fresh water.      Review of natural food:  Dogwood fruit gone, some holly berries remain. About half of poke plants still have some berries.. Invasive honeysuckle behind back fence still has  berries. Much leaf litter.. I'm rearranging the leaves rather than bagging them.   Jane Allen  ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net  St. Louis County  ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA From: Chris Hobbs <chobbs AT EVERESTKC.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:28:35 -0500 Subject: Rusty Blackbirds - Cooley Lake CA From: Matt Gearheart <gearheart.matt AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:16:08 -0600 Yesterday, Nic Allen I and made a brief visit to Cooley Lake CA, Clay County around dusk. First heard, then seen, we counted just over 100 Rusty Blackbirds in the trees at the Southern parking area. Also noted were a few Fox Sparrows and a singing Marsh Wren. Earlier in the day, just over the state line, I spotted 2 different Red-Shafted Flickers in Kansas. Good Birding, Matt Gearheart Shawnee, KS gearheart.matt AT gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: David Scheu <David.Scheu AT SWMCMILLAN.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:01:23 -0600 I don't know that there is a right answer for House Sparrows and other unwanted wildlife, but I do know that relocation is the wrong answer, and it is NOT what the Bluebird Society recommends. If you believe the sparrows are so detrimental to native birds that intervention is necessary, how could you also think it an acceptable solution to dump them in someone else's back yard, so they can crowd out and kill native birds there? Dave Scheu St. Louis, MO david.scheu AT swmcmillan.com -----Original Message----- From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of John Curran Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:23 PM To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow I guess I side more with the BlueBirds of North American Society (I'm not a member of) where removal and eradications of sparrows is listed on their site in order for bluebirds to thrive in an area. Until I trapped and relocated sparrows, I had zero bluebirds. Now I have 2 successful seasons of bluebirds, and 3 broods raised in 3 years. The ETS harrass and take over nesting boxes for bluebirds, chickadees, and housewrens in my small little backyard. I know this has to occur everywhere else ETS and House sparrows roam. If we just allow birds to be birds, then shouldn't we just let bugs be bugs (green ash borer) and plants be plants (bush honeysuckle)? It does seem the consensus is that since it's a bird unique to the midwest, then why not let it thrive, even if it crowds out and kills native birds. I would think at some point the ETS will be as numerous as House Sparrows. I think it will only be a matter of time. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I was just curious. I used to be at that point many years ago, neat, an ETS. Until I saw what they did to the native birds. John Curran Manchester, MO ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County From: Andrew Forbes <Andrew.Forbes AT MDC.MO.GOV> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:42:08 -0600 The albino Barred Owl of the Scott/KK Intersection is becoming quite the local celebrity- I've had several calls about him/her these last few weeks. Supposedly (according to the locals), the best time to see it is between 400PM-dusk, as you would expect with an owl, and it is also seen fairly frequently in mid-morning. It will often sit on fence posts right next to the road. Good luck everyone! Andrew Forbes, Resource Scientist (Avian Ecologist) Missouri Department of Conservation 1110 S. College Ave. Columbia, MO 65201 ph. 573-882-9909 ext. 3241 fax. 573-882-4517 From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Edge Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:44 PM To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County This photo clearly shows a leuscistic Barred Owl. Based on a previous photo, showing an owl looking over its shoulder with face partially hidden, I jumped to the conclusion of Barn Owl, despite the photographer's statement that it was too big. You can bet I'll continue to watch carefully when I head to/from Eagle Bluffs, as this is on my regular route there. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Eric Wood wrote: Ever since a friend e-mailed me a picture of a white owl she saw on Route KK I've been driving that way to Eagle Bluffs. Thursday morning about 10:30 AM I spotted the white owl off of Scott Blvd. within sight of the Route KK. It was in a line of trees east of the road. If anyone wants a copy of the photo drop me a line and I'll send you a copy. Eric Wood Columbia Mo. ewood802 at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: John Curran <webjc AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:23:15 -0800 I guess I side more with the BlueBirds of North American Society (I'm not a member of) where removal and eradications of sparrows is listed on their site in order for bluebirds to thrive in an area. Until I trapped and relocated sparrows, I had zero bluebirds. Now I have 2 successful seasons of bluebirds, and 3 broods raised in 3 years. The ETS harrass and take over nesting boxes for bluebirds, chickadees, and housewrens in my small little backyard. I know this has to occur everywhere else ETS and House sparrows roam. If we just allow birds to be birds, then shouldn't we just let bugs be bugs (green ash borer) and plants be plants (bush honeysuckle)? It does seem the consensus is that since it's a bird unique to the midwest, then why not let it thrive, even if it crowds out and kills native birds. I would think at some point the ETS will be as numerous as House Sparrows. I think it will only be a matter of time. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I was just curious. I used to be at that point many years ago, neat, an ETS. Until I saw what they did to the native birds. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Ruth Reeg wrote: > From: Ruth Reeg > Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 3:09 PM > I do like the ETSs.  I > lived near 270 and 40 in St. Louis County for more than 20 > years, and often had many ETS, including lots and lots of > babies almost every year.  They're very pretty, and > the only behavior I observed was entertaining, not > aggressive.  They were not nearly as mean as house > sparrows around the feeder.  (Although sometimes they > could go through bird seed pretty quickly!) Last year I > moved out farther west in Chesterfield, and have not seen > one since, and really miss them. > > Ruth Reeg > St. Louis County > > > > > From: John > Curran > To: > MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Sent: Sunday, > November 1, 2009 7:44:36 AM > Subject: Re: > Eurasian Tree Sparrow > > I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in > the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? > > Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like > House Sparrows? > > I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and > drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to > the natives. > > I don't see them being any different than house > sparrows. > > I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi > river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. > > John Curran > Manchester, MO > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne > wrote: > > > From: Spencer Byrne > > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > > outside of their > > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. > Happy > > Birding! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird > Discussion > > Forum > > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ > > > > >     >   > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > Questions or comments? Email the list owners: > mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Shorebird Opportunity, St. Chas. County From: Mike Thelen <mikethelen AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:43:23 -0600 MOBIrders: Starting at Riverlands MBS, I drove up the road toward Confluence SP. Where the road intersects the pipeline construction -- there is heavy equipment parked here -- there's a "large" lake to the left of the road. There were gulls and a flock of shorebirds on the side of the lake farthest from the road. I didn't feel like making the long march in the muck to get closer and into better light but, for those who are inspired, it looks doable. The best approach might be to walk from the road along a path parallel to the pipeline route. BTW, close to where the Confl Pt parking lot is the road was flooded and I decided to make a 180. Mike Thelen St. Louis County mikethelen AT sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Red-breasted Nuthatch, Holly Ridge CA, 11/1, Stoddard Co. From: Chris Barrigar <1chrisbarrigar AT LIVE.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:27:25 -0700 Thought Otter Slough CA was the bulk of my day, I swung through Holly Ridge CA for some Persimmons, as the Mrs. mentioned she hadn't had any this year. While there, I did a bit of birding - why not? At the Archery Range, there is a small stand of pines along the drive to the range, and as I walked into the drive, I kept hearing this, "mer, mer, mer, mer, mer, mer, mer". My subconscious kept telling me RBNU, but my brain kept getting in the way. I saw Carolina Chickadees and kept trying to tell myself that they were the source. Once I stopped and watched the tops of the pines - cone crop, it was then I saw a small dart fly in and from the pines. There it was, a Red-breasted Nuthatch gathering its pinenuts and caching them behind bark of nearby trees and in nooks and crannies where ever it could find. I stood and watched for the better part of 20 minutes - not knowing when I'll see the next one. I was able to digiscope a few shots through my binoculars . . . just in case photo evidence is needed for documentation. What a wonderful day to be out (both birds and weather)! Bodacious Birding! Chris Barrigar Bloomfield Stoddard Co. 1chrisbarrigar AT live.com chrisbarrigar AT hotmail.com http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris1 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Thomas Hill, Long Branch and Little Dixie Lakes From: Jean Leonatti <jleonatti AT CMAAA.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:20:37 -0600 We started out this morning intending to intensively bird Thomas Hill and Long Branch Lakes, but a phone call regarding Black Scoters at Little Dixie Lake weighed heavy on our minds. Should we stay or should we go??? At Thomas Hill Reservoir at the location we refer to as "Gull Point", there were literally a thousand gulls sitting on the lake, and a large raft of ducks. Unfortunately, too distant for any good identifications - but there were some Shovelers, Scaup, coots, ruddies. All the gulls flying close to us were Bonaparte's. The causeway have very little in the way of birds, so we cut it short and went to Long Branch. Long Branch has extremely high water - in some places even coming over the causeway at the marina. Have never seen it like this. The gulls were concentrated on the small amount of causeway available and on the dock roof. The majority of gulls here were Ring-billeds with some Franklins. Had a Franklins not more then five feet from me on the causeway. Several large rafts of ducks too far out for identification; and a single Common Loon giving great views. We then high-tailed it to Little Dixie with only a momentary turn around for an unusually looking bird on a telephone pole between Moberly and Clark --- the back track was worth it as we had good looks at a Merlin, both perched and flying. Arrived at Little Dixie at about 2p, and found the seven black scoters in almost the identical spot we were told they had been that morning - just off the east side parking lot. Several times they all started splashing in the water - not sure if that was bathing or getting ready to leave. Also saw the common loon that had been reported yesterday. Ducks numbers here were definitely down from yesterday. No Sibley, sorry Edge. Jean Leonatti Boone County, Columbia, MO jleonatti AT cmaaa.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Cliffy, Sandhill, G.Yellowlegs, G.Scaup, Vesper, Otter Slough CA area, 11/1, Stoddard Co. From: Chris Barrigar <1chrisbarrigar AT LIVE.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:18:46 -0700 Greetings! Today at Otter Slough CA, I ran into Dr. Eddleman and his class on field trip, and they allowed me to tag along. Otter Slough CA site map: http://mdc.mo.gov/documents/area_brochures/5004map.pdf We had many of the regulars along the boardwalk. At the southeastern end of the boardwalk loop we heard a Sandhill Crane vocalize. Both Bill Eddleman and I looked at each other instantly to make sure we each had heard what we thought we heard. The students watched us scramble for a visual; yet, no visual could be had. On the South end of Otter Slough CA near Pool 17 and R9, a Vesper Sparrow perched up in front of the field trips van giving us good looks and comparison to the nearby juvenile White-crowned Sparrows. Along the South end of Otter Slough CA on a utility wire overlooking Pool 21 sat a lone Cliff Swallow. It was a welcomed surprise! Along the West side of Otter Slough CA at the privately owned lake, we sorted through the many ducks present to located a Greater Scaup showing nicely the green sheen on its rounded head. Other ducks in this area were Am. Wigeons, Gadwalls, a lone GW Teal, several Ring-necked Ducks, Ruddies, and more of the expected. Also present were 4 Great Egrets still lingering around. At Pool 35, the heavy rains received last week brought the water levels well up into the winter wheat field and afforded us with great looks at 5 Greater Yellowlegs. I had heard another individual vocalize earlier in the day while on the East side of the Slough. At a minimum 5 Bald Eagles were present today, and the numbers of N. Harriers observed are increasing. Good Birding to all! Chris Barrigar Bloomfield Stoddard Co. 1chrisbarrigar AT live.com chrisbarrigar AT hotmail.com http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris1 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Carlyle Lake Report - STL birders From: Charlene and Jim Malone <2bbirdn AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0600 Carlyle Lake, ILLINOIS LITTLE GULL - NOT seen by Dan LOTS of birds on the lake because hunting has started in the Central zone which includes Madison co but not until Nov. 13 or 14 in the Southern Zone which includes Carlyle Lake. Birds have been pushed over into the southern zone. Lots of loons, waterfowl and gulls to look through but difficult to see today due to the birds not being concentrated by lack of winds. More on Dan's updated Carlyle Lake report tomorrow. Look through the photos for an ID challenge for those with tern ID experience. RMBS: NO Eared Grebe found. SANDERLING and Franklin's Gulls were found. Charlene Malone St. Louis co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: DE Juncos, North StLouis County From: Ken Thompson <kthompsn AT SPRINGMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:11:03 -0600 Ever since the FOS report of Juncos in the StLouis area, have been on the lookout. Columbia Bottom, Bella Fontaine County Park, North Riverfront Park -- nothing. This morning when i looked out the front window for the newspaper, there were 4 juncos feeding on sweetgum seeds, down at the foot of my driveway in Moline Acres. By my book, winter is now here. Ken Thompson (KTHOMPSN AT SPRINGMAIL.COM) Moline Acres, North StLouis county ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: Ruth Reeg <rmzreeg AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:09:01 -0800 I do like the ETSs.  I lived near 270 and 40 in St. Louis County for more than 20 years, and often had many ETS, including lots and lots of babies almost every year.  They're very pretty, and the only behavior I observed was entertaining, not aggressive.  They were not nearly as mean as house sparrows around the feeder.  (Although sometimes they could go through bird seed pretty quickly!) Last year I moved out farther west in Chesterfield, and have not seen one since, and really miss them. Ruth Reeg St. Louis County ________________________________ From: John Curran To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:44:36 AM Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like House Sparrows? I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to the natives. I don't see them being any different than house sparrows. I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne wrote: > From: Spencer Byrne > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > outside of their > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy > Birding! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ >       ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum Questions or comments? Email the list owners: mailto://mobirds-l-request AT po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Question on Birding on Denver Area From: Eric Schuette <ericschuette AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:06:21 -0600 Dave et al, Since it sounded like there may be some other interest I decided to post to the whole list. I live in Denver and any recommendations would be based on what you were interested in seeing during your time out here. I know that sounds general but if you were interested in owls (you are right I would not expect to see an burrowing still around but you never know), gulls, finches, loons, ptarmigan, raptors, barrows goldeneye, etc....then you will end up in very different spots. During this time most of the birding is generally done around water or feeders so that's where alot of people concentrate their time. You shouldn't have to worry about the roads at all even with 2-4 ft of snow as of Friday they were pretty much all clear (it's a different world). Estes and Rocky are very nice and worth visiting but right now the diversity of birds is low unless you want to get out and hike alot. However, the Fawn Brook Inn in Allenspark is by far the most reliable spot for all finches including 3 Rosy-Finches right now and is just south of estes. Other areas that seem to attract a fair number of good birds during this time are the reservoirs in south park (Antero, Spinney, Eleven-Mile), which is a bit of a drive, but offers some pretty scenery and gives a good chance for something unusual. Another little drive but worth it is summit county (Frsico, Silverthorne, Breck) that offers chances for finches, barrows goldeneye, ptarmigan, and other mountain birds. In the Denver metro area Cherry Creek State park is good if you don't mind paying a few bucks, with good diversity of birds including the recently returned northern shrike. Reservoirs in the front range that have held some good birds lately include Timnath, Baseline, Boulder, Union, and Aurora. I know that is very general but just wanted to give anyone coming out an idea of what to expect. If you would like more specifics or have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Good Luck! Eric Schuette Denver CO/Troy MO Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:38:20 -0500 From: starrett AT CSTL.SEMO.EDU Subject: Question on Birding on Denver Area To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU MO Birders, I will be in Denver for a conference this coming week. I have arranged my schedule to have one full day and a couple of 1/2-3/4 days to explore. I have looked at numerous web sites and the CO-birds list archives so have some ideas. But, if anyone here has any suggestions on places to go within reasonable distance of Denver (I'll have a rental car), please drop me a line. Also, if any suggestions on WHAT to look for. We already plan on a run up to the burrowing owl colonies near the airport, hoping some are still there though it will be late. They are seeing 3 different kinds of Rosy Finches. We'll go up to Estes park or RNP Areas that are open, weather permitting. They just got 2 feet of snow out there, so that may be limited. They are seeing lots of ducks, grebes, etc. but nothing different than I am seeing posted on MOBirds. Any suggestions most welcome. Dave Starrett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Dr. David Starrett, | Dean, School of University Studies and | Academic Information Services and | Director, Center for Scholarship in Teaching and Learning | MS 4650, 1 University Plaza | Southeast Missouri State University | Cape Girardeau, MO 63701 | Ph: (573) 651-2298 | Fax: (573) 986-6858 | email: dstarrett AT semo.edu | WWW: http://www.semo.edu/ustudies ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Saturday's Birds at Squaw Creek NWR From: Larry Lade <gcrownkinglet AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:02:40 -0800 Steve Kinder and I birded Squaw Creek National Wildlife Refuge Saturday Morning and found the following birds: Waterfowl (17) species, most species in multiples of 100's & 1000's: Greater White-fronted Goose, Snow Goose, Canada Goose, Wood Duck, Gadwall, American Wigeon, Mallard, Northern Shoveler, Northern Pintail, Green-winged Teal, Canvasback (3), Redhead, Ring-necked Duck, Lesser Scaup, Bufflehead (one female), Hooded Merganser (4) and Ruddy Duck. Ring-necked Pheasant, Pied-billed Grebe, American White Pelican, Double-crested Cormorant, Great Blue Heron, Great Egret, Bald Eagle, Northern Harrier, Sharp-shinned Hawk, Cooper's Hawk and Red-tailed Hawk. American Coot (including one leucistic one which Linda had taken some photos of a few days ago, ENTIRELY WHITE with dark legs and bill), American Avocet (13), Greater Yellowlegs, Lesser Yellowlegs, Dunlin, Long-billed Dowitcher, Mourning Dove and Belted Kingfisher. Red-bellied Woodpecker, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, Downy Woodpecker, Hairy Woodpecker, Northern Flicker, Blue Jay, American Crow, Tree Swallow, Black-capped Chickadee, Tufted Titmouse, White-breasted Nuthatch, Carolina Wren, American Robin, European Starling and Yellow-rumped Warbler. American Tree Sparrow (FOS for Steve and me), Chipping Sparrow, Fox Sparrow, Song Sparrow, Swamp Sparrow, White-throated Sparrow, White-crowned Sparrow and Dark-eyed Junco. Northern Cardinal, Red-winged Blackbird, Eastern Meadowlark, Common Grackle, Brown-headed Cowbird and American Goldfinch. Larry Lade Saint Joseph, MO gcrownkinglet AT yahoo DOT com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Buffleheads,Fox Sparrow,Lesser Scaup, others-Big Muddy,Boone's Crossing Unit From: bryan prather <brynprth AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:15:32 -0800 Big Muddy Boone's Crossing Unit-11am-12:15pm   Took a drive over to the area to see who was out.  W/all the rain recently, the little pond area is quite full.  5 Buffleheads(2 males), 3 Lesser Scaups(Females), 3 Pied-billed Grebes, and 20 or so Am. Coots were in their respective clans-on the North side(no scope needed.)  2 Fox Sparrows were seen along the pathway toward the Mo. river (about halfway).  They were most cooperative. Also, a Turkey Vulture was seen soaring, a Sharp-Shinned Hawk cruised the area, and Red-Shouldered hawks were heard.   Bryan Prather brynprth AT yahoo.com St.Louis, Co. Mo. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: PINE SISKIN-Columbia From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:06:08 -0600 A lone Pine Siskin just joined the American Goldfinches on our deck in southwest Columbia. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:44:00 -0600 This photo clearly shows a leuscistic Barred Owl. Based on a previous photo, showing an owl looking over its shoulder with face partially hidden, I jumped to the conclusion of Barn Owl, despite the photographer's statement that it was too big. You can bet I'll continue to watch carefully when I head to/from Eagle Bluffs, as this is on my regular route there. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > Ever since a friend e-mailed me a picture of a white owl she saw on > Route KK I've been driving that way to Eagle Bluffs. > Thursday morning about 10:30 AM I spotted the white owl off of > Scott Blvd. within sight of the Route KK. It was in a > line of trees east of the road. If anyone wants a copy of the photo > drop me a line and I'll send you a copy. > > > Eric Wood > Columbia Mo. > ewood802 at yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Lost SIBLEY FIELD GUIDE From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:41:06 -0600 Once again, I put a field guide on the hood and reached for keys, etc. My Sibley field guide is now A.W.O.L. It was last seen at the southeast parking lot at Little Dixie CA about 10:00 this morning. If found, please email me. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: last day feeding , DE Juncos . St. Louis County From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:41:35 -0800   I will have exhausted all my sunflower seeds today, leaving only some nyger seed. While sitting by large window, saw two DE juncos in nearby tree.. Didn't see them eat anything. I did have a few Eurasian tree sparrows eat the sunflower, although their preference is mixed seed. Several mourning doves were near the bottom of the window, out of the wind, in the sun.    I comfort myself by observations of my usual yard birds while camping in Kentucky,Tennesse, and Virginia (Cumberland Gap).  So while I need to walk a bit, will be good for me.. (not walk to Cumberland Gap,HA!)  Jane Allen ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net St. Louis Co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Pine Siskin in yard/Project Feeder Watch From: Ruth Simmons <tinamou99 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:34:25 -0600 The first Pine Siskin of the season has been on the nyjer along with 3 American Goldfinches. Tons of Am Robins and Starlings in the Cedar with a small flock of Cedar Waxwings. The Juncos, White-throated and White-crowned Sparrows also put in an appearance this week. I also wanted to remind everyone that Project Feeder Watch starts this month. There's still plenty of time to sign up. http://www.birds.cornell.edu/pfw Happy birding, Ruth Simmons Lee's Summit, Jackson Co., MO tinamou99 AT hotmail.com "A nation behaves well if the natural resources and assets which one generation turns over to the next are increased and not impaired in value." (Theodore Roosevelt) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? From: Jackie Chain <chainjac AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:23:14 -0800 ...and as Jane touched on, how many among us don't have immigrant ancestors whether they desired the immigration or were forced into it?   Jackie Chain St Louis County chainjac AT sbcglobal.net --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Joyce Rosson wrote: From: Joyce Rosson Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:45 AM A bird is a bird is a bird one Ornithologist said.   Joyce Rosson ----- Original Message ----- From: J C Allen To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? John, I remember your former post re: ETS.. As I have had as many as 30 of those in my yard, I felt chagrined that you disliked them so much.. this is my view:     While feeding the birds, (I know, giving it up, may feel differently), how can one select the birds who come?  In nature, there is competition.. like FOOTBALL.       The only attack I ever witnessed in my yard was a grackle eating a young ETS.  Now I don't have nesting birds.  So my thoughts may change when  I get nesting birds.    I have also read on this list how wrens are predatory..    I have appreciated the lovely markings on starlings. and the shimmer on grackles. and once I got accustomed to it, the dive bombing of the Cooper's hawk ( it helped that "nobody got hurt") .       So no matter what we feel, I think those birds fly where they want to.      And, I think that St. Louisans sort of enjoy having a rarity of some sort around here. Birders are all about rarities.      Oh, and one more thought.  As long as birds fly, how come we expect them to stay in one place.. or one country.. Humans didn't stay in one place or one country.      Jane Allen     ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net     St. Louis County --- On Sun, 11/1/09, John Curran wrote: From: John Curran Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:44 AM I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like House Sparrows? I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to the natives. I don't see them being any different than house sparrows. I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne wrote: > From: Spencer Byrne > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > outside of their > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy > Birding! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ >       ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: RMBS Eared Grebe and Common Loon From: Wu Chang <wuchang AT ASIA.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:08:07 -0500 Riverlands- Heron Pond-Ellis Bay and Mississippi at Clark Bridge Trumpeter Swans There appears to be at least two groups and maybe a third Please look for a neck banded Trumpeter that has fishing line entangled and report to the COE its location ( George Goeken said he thinks the band number is U-11 and she is one of the first birds to return each year-- she has cygnets in tow George said he would email me the neck band number if possible Back levee destruction at Heron Pond has allowed partial flooding of Brian P's property This is unfortunate because Brian keeps an eye on folk's vehicles that park at the back parking lot. He may be less inclined to be so neighborly now Brian is a good fellow and I hope he doesn't get down on the COE and bird watchers/photographers because of this Northern Harrier patrolling the Refuge area and the farm fields between Riverland Way and Red Schoolhouse Road Mallards,Widgeon and Pintails in Heron and Two Pecan Ponds Goldfinches abundant eating thistle seeds in area between COE HQ and Two Pecan Trail Parking lot "blackbirds" all over the place :) American Coots in Heron Pond and Ellis Bay Great Blue Herons are landing on debris in the Mississippi and Ellis Bay and "surfing" the crest They also are hunting the ditch to Pintail Pond just past entrance gate into the Sanctuary Teal Pond has the usual assortment of ducks and Canada Geese American Pelicans on Mississippi at Clark Bridge- they fly upriver and float back down Road to Ellis Island parking lot has water over portion-- was passable this morning but it looks like the water will be rising and they may decide to close the road Lincoln Shields is still closed due to construction Unpaved portion to Cora Road will need a 4x4--Pipeline ditch is full of water and may go higher due to low water table in area,plus be aware that the property owners have erected no parking signs now on the levee road -----Original Message----- From: Al and Lois Smith To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:34 am Subject: RMBS Eared Grebe and Common Loon Ellis Bay no mudflats, almost over spillway, below spillway flooded, only ery top of Maple Island Road (closed) showing. The Eared Grebe was just ast the closed gate just below the gate. The Common Loon was going up and own Ellis about 150 yds out. I could hear it call now and then. http://www.photosbyat.com/photos/698876259_ktRKQ-L.jpg ttp://www.photosbyat.com/photos//699023732_DADK7-L.jpg allery ttp://www.photosbyat.com/Birds/Birding-2009-October/2009-10-31-RMBS Al Smith ridgeton, St. Louis County ttp://www.photosbyat.com ttp://MoBirds.smugmug.com (admin) ------------------------------------------------------------ he Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum SM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Black Scoters at Little Dixie Lake From: "Wade, Jerry L. (Emeritus)" <WadeJ AT MISSOURI.EDU> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:43:50 -0600 At 9:35a, Edge Wade and Susan Hazelwood are at the Handicap fishing jetty on the asphalt handicap trail on the SE corner of Little Dixie Lake. Just to the north of the jetty in the middle of the lake are 7 female Black Scoters sleeping in a tight bunch. Jerry Wade Boone County ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? From: Joyce Rosson <motherswift AT MSN.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:45:21 -0600 A bird is a bird is a bird one Ornithologist said. Joyce Rosson ----- Original Message ----- From: J C Allen To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? John, I remember your former post re: ETS.. As I have had as many as 30 of those in my yard, I felt chagrined that you disliked them so much.. this is my view: While feeding the birds, (I know, giving it up, may feel differently), how can one select the birds who come? In nature, there is competition.. like FOOTBALL. The only attack I ever witnessed in my yard was a grackle eating a young ETS. Now I don't have nesting birds. So my thoughts may change when I get nesting birds. I have also read on this list how wrens are predatory.. I have appreciated the lovely markings on starlings. and the shimmer on grackles. and once I got accustomed to it, the dive bombing of the Cooper's hawk ( it helped that "nobody got hurt") . So no matter what we feel, I think those birds fly where they want to. And, I think that St. Louisans sort of enjoy having a rarity of some sort around here. Birders are all about rarities. Oh, and one more thought. As long as birds fly, how come we expect them to stay in one place.. or one country.. Humans didn't stay in one place or one country. Jane Allen ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net St. Louis County --- On Sun, 11/1/09, John Curran wrote: From: John Curran Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:44 AM I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like House Sparrows? I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to the natives. I don't see them being any different than house sparrows. I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne > wrote: > From: Spencer Byrne > > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > outside of their > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy > Birding! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow , or what birds do we want in our yard? From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:25:50 -0800 John, I remember your former post re: ETS.. As I have had as many as 30 of those in my yard, I felt chagrined that you disliked them so much.. this is my view:     While feeding the birds, (I know, giving it up, may feel differently), how can one select the birds who come?  In nature, there is competition.. like FOOTBALL.       The only attack I ever witnessed in my yard was a grackle eating a young ETS.  Now I don't have nesting birds.  So my thoughts may change when  I get nesting birds.    I have also read on this list how wrens are predatory..    I have appreciated the lovely markings on starlings. and the shimmer on grackles. and once I got accustomed to it, the dive bombing of the Cooper's hawk ( it helped that "nobody got hurt") .       So no matter what we feel, I think those birds fly where they want to.      And, I think that St. Louisans sort of enjoy having a rarity of some sort around here. Birders are all about rarities.      Oh, and one more thought.  As long as birds fly, how come we expect them to stay in one place.. or one country.. Humans didn't stay in one place or one country.      Jane Allen     ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net     St. Louis County --- On Sun, 11/1/09, John Curran wrote: From: John Curran Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:44 AM I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like House Sparrows? I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to the natives. I don't see them being any different than house sparrows. I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne wrote: > From: Spencer Byrne > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > outside of their > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy > Birding! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ >       ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: iPod birding software recommendations? From: Margy Terpstra <ladybirdterp AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:56:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: John Curran <webjc AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:44:36 -0800 I posed this question a year or so ago. Maybe people are in the mood to discuss it now that birding is slower? Do birders really like/want Eurasian sparrows around like House Sparrows? I've seen Eurasian Sparrows kill two house wrens and drive off my bluebirds in my yard. I find them a hazard to the natives. I don't see them being any different than house sparrows. I think Eurasians are all over the place along Mississippi river all the way up to Iowa where I've seen them. John Curran Manchester, MO --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Spencer Byrne wrote: > From: Spencer Byrne > Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow > To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 3:36 AM > Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree > sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just > thought this was interesting since I believe this is > outside of their > normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy > Birding! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion > Forum > ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: Question on Birding on Denver Area From: Cornelius Alwood <calwood AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:18:09 -0600 Hi Dave, I plan on being in the Denver area over Thanksgiving (my wife's sister lives in Cheyenne). I would be interested in seeing the highlights of your trip., especially the Rosy-Finches. I have the Black from Utah, but the other two have eluded me for some time now. Thanks, Connie Alwood calwood AT sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: David Starrett To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: Question on Birding on Denver Area MO Birders, I will be in Denver for a conference this coming week. I have arranged my schedule to have one full day and a couple of 1/2-3/4 days to explore. I have looked at numerous web sites and the CO-birds list archives so have some ideas. But, if anyone here has any suggestions on places to go within reasonable distance of Denver (I'll have a rental car), please drop me a line. Also, if any suggestions on WHAT to look for. We already plan on a run up to the burrowing owl colonies near the airport, hoping some are still there though it will be late. They are seeing 3 different kinds of Rosy Finches. We'll go up to Estes park or RNP Areas that are open, weather permitting. They just got 2 feet of snow out there, so that may be limited. They are seeing lots of ducks, grebes, etc. but nothing different than I am seeing posted on MOBirds. Any suggestions most welcome. Dave Starrett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Dr. David Starrett, | Dean, School of University Studies and | Academic Information Services and | Director, Center for Scholarship in Teaching and Learning | MS 4650, 1 University Plaza | Southeast Missouri State University | Cape Girardeau, MO 63701 | Ph: (573) 651-2298 | Fax: (573) 986-6858 | email: dstarrett AT semo.edu | WWW: http://www.semo.edu/ustudies ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: So long, and thanks for all the birds! From: Bill Rudden <bilrudn AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:40:22 -0800 Thank you Peter for all your good finds.You are a pleasure to be around birding.I tried my best not to hold your double PhD against you. br   --- On Sat, 10/31/09, peter keyel wrote: From: peter keyel Subject: So long, and thanks for all the birds! To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 11:15 PM I'd like to say thanks and farewell to everyone. I've just moved to Pittsburgh to be with my wife (who is a grad student studying mathematics). I've had a great time meeting and birding with everyone, and I'll miss the collegiality of this list. Since I am an avid lister, I'm going to share some numbers, which don't quite do justice to the help everyone's given me and the fun that I've had. In the 3 years I've been here, I've added 57 life birds (bringing me to a total 313 for the US). I had 228 species for MO, 112 for IL, and 231 for the St Louis Magic Circle, with a grand total of 235 species for all 3 years in MO/IL, out of 478 sites/days. It was great birding with everyone! Peter Keyel St Louis, MO labtroglodyte AT yahoo.com "They say we constitute The constitutional With justice here for all So justifiable I'm trying not to laugh But man, it's laughable" -Styx, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"       ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: RMBS Eared Grebe and Common Loon From: Al and Lois Smith <alandlois AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:34:38 -0600 Ellis Bay no mudflats, almost over spillway, below spillway flooded, only very top of Maple Island Road (closed) showing. The Eared Grebe was just past the closed gate just below the gate. The Common Loon was going up and down Ellis about 150 yds out. I could hear it call now and then. http://www.photosbyat.com/photos/698876259_ktRKQ-L.jpg http://www.photosbyat.com/photos//699023732_DADK7-L.jpg gallery http://www.photosbyat.com/Birds/Birding-2009-October/2009-10-31-RMBS Al Smith Bridgeton, St. Louis County http://www.photosbyat.com http://MoBirds.smugmug.com (admin) ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrow From: Spencer Byrne <carolina.wren AT LIVE.COM> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:36:52 -0600 Yesterday I saw a eurasian tree sparrow in my backyard in Ladue. I just thought this was interesting since I believe this is outside of their normal range. At least, I had never seen one before. Happy Birding! ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: So long, and thanks for all the birds! From: peter keyel <labtroglodyte AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:15:58 -0700 I'd like to say thanks and farewell to everyone. I've just moved to Pittsburgh to be with my wife (who is a grad student studying mathematics). I've had a great time meeting and birding with everyone, and I'll miss the collegiality of this list. Since I am an avid lister, I'm going to share some numbers, which don't quite do justice to the help everyone's given me and the fun that I've had. In the 3 years I've been here, I've added 57 life birds (bringing me to a total 313 for the US). I had 228 species for MO, 112 for IL, and 231 for the St Louis Magic Circle, with a grand total of 235 species for all 3 years in MO/IL, out of 478 sites/days. It was great birding with everyone! Peter Keyel St Louis, MO labtroglodyte AT yahoo.com "They say we constitute The constitutional With justice here for all So justifiable I'm trying not to laugh But man, it's laughable" -Styx, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Question on Birding on Denver Area From: David Starrett <starrett AT CSTL.SEMO.EDU> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:38:20 -0500 MO Birders, I will be in Denver for a conference this coming week. I have arranged my schedule to have one full day and a couple of 1/2-3/4 days to explore. I have looked at numerous web sites and the CO-birds list archives so have some ideas. But, if anyone here has any suggestions on places to go within reasonable distance of Denver (I'll have a rental car), please drop me a line. Also, if any suggestions on WHAT to look for. We already plan on a run up to the burrowing owl colonies near the airport, hoping some are still there though it will be late. They are seeing 3 different kinds of Rosy Finches. We'll go up to Estes park or RNP Areas that are open, weather permitting. They just got 2 feet of snow out there, so that may be limited. They are seeing lots of ducks, grebes, etc. but nothing different than I am seeing posted on MOBirds. Any suggestions most welcome. Dave Starrett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Dr. David Starrett, | Dean, School of University Studies and | Academic Information Services and | Director, Center for Scholarship in Teaching and Learning | MS 4650, 1 University Plaza | Southeast Missouri State University | Cape Girardeau, MO 63701 | Ph: (573) 651-2298 | Fax: (573) 986-6858 | email: dstarrett AT semo.edu | WWW: http://www.semo.edu/ustudies ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: White Barred Owl on Scott Blvd. Boone County From: Eric Wood <ewood802 AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:55:52 -0700 Ever since a friend e-mailed me a picture of a white owl she saw on Route KK I've been driving that way to Eagle Bluffs. Thursday morning about 10:30 AM I spotted the white owl off of Scott Blvd. within sight of the Route KK. It was in a line of trees east of the road. If anyone wants a copy of the photo drop me a line and I'll send you a copy. Eric Wood Columbia Mo. ewood802 at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Common Loon at Little Dixie Lake From: Bonnie Heidy <bheidy AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:47:12 -0500 Eric Wood and I saw a Common Loon at Little Dixie Lake late this afternoon. There were also some Ruddy Ducks, Horned Grebes and a raft of American Coots. Good birding to all! Bonnie Heidy Columbia, Mo Boone County ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Common Loon at Little Dixie Lake Calloway County From: Eric Wood <ewood802 AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:48:31 -0700 This evening Mom (Bonnie Hiedy) and I went looking for the Surf Scoter which we did not find. We did see a Common Loon form the southern entrance along with Horned Grebes, Pied-billed Grebes, Canada Geese, Buffleheads, Great Blue Herons, a Great Egret and a immature Bald Eagle   Eric Wood Columbia Mo ewood802 at yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:45:33 -0500 Bob, Of course something can be done, and it will. I've reviewed the species listed below. All but the grouse were on the area extant checklist that was entered into the CACHE database at the beginning of the project. These are, of course, unlikely species for that area--so unlikely that their occurrence there would require documentation (or, if before the establishment of the MBRC, a write- up in a seasonal report. The MBRC will be asked to check on these records. If they are unsubstantiated, they will be removed. The one remaining species, Ruffed Grouse, was entered into the database in the first month of the project. It is likely an input error (i.e., wrong species indicated at the time of data entry). The observer will be asked about this record and the correct species entered in the database. The CACHE and SPARKS databases now have a check/balance system in place so that these types of errors are very unlikely. There may be a few other "problem" species that were on extant checklists entered en masse at the beginning of the projects. They will be weeded out. Thanks for your alert query. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Bob Fisher wrote: > After a brief trip to Reed CA today, I took a look at the > checklist. It contains the following highly improbable entries: > > Ruffed Grouse > Iceland Gull > Carolina Chickadee > Baird's Sparrow > Pine Grosbeak > > Can anything be done about that? > > > Bob Fisher > Independence, MO > bobgfisher AT comcast.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum > List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum ASM Website: http://mobirds.org/ Subject: Re: Yellow-rumped Warblers Video from 10/25/2009 From: Jackie Chain <chainjac AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:22:43 -0700 Both the video and the music (recordings and bird twitterings) were charming.  Thank you for sharing them with us.   Jackie Chain St Louis County chainjac AT sbcglobal.net --- On Sat, 10/31/09, John Curran wrote: From: John Curran Subject: Yellow-rumped Warblers Video from 10/25/2009 To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:44 PM From outside my window in Manchester, MO from last sunday, 10/25/2009 www.currans.com/videos/YellowRumpedWarblers20091025.wmv John Curran Manchester, MO       ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: CACHE -- Jas. A. Reed CA From: Bob Fisher <bobgfisher AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:15:59 -0500 After a brief trip to Reed CA today, I took a look at the checklist. It contains the following highly improbable entries: Ruffed Grouse Iceland Gull Carolina Chickadee Baird's Sparrow Pine Grosbeak Can anything be done about that? Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Cooley Lake birds this morning From: Jennifer Reidy <grizzlyskye AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:53:01 -0500 Randy Cartwright and I walked around Cooley Lake CA for about an hour this morning. It was very birdy, but mostly robins. Red-tailed Hawk - 1 A. Kestrel - 1 Franklin's Gulls - >30 migrating south overhead M. Dove N. flicker - 1 Red-bellied Woodpecker - 1 Downy Woodpecker - 2 T. Titmouse - 3 BC Chickadee - >5 WB Nuthatch - 3 Brown Creeper - 1 (FOS) Carolina Wren - 1 (oddly looked like the pic of Mexican race in Sibley) RC Kinglet - 1 (FOS) A. Robin - lots and lots C. Waxwing - lots YR Warbler - 2 (FOS) N. Cardinal - 2 WT Sparrow - lots DE Junco Fox Sparrow - 3 Song Sparrow - at least 2 Disclaimer: FOS = for me! Hum, it seemed so birdy til I wrote out this list (I guess I was just overwhelmed by robins and white-throateds)! Jennifer Reidy Liberty, MO _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Night-Heron, Bunting From: Edge <edgew AT MCHSI.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:21:57 -0500 After dipping on the Surf Scoter this morning at Little Dixie Lake, I headed west in the mid-afternoon to Prairie Home Conservation Area (Cooper and Moniteau counties). The big surprise of the day was an immature Black-crowned Night-Heron at Cattail Lake (pond) that flushed as I walked along the trail beside the lake. It flew across the lake, right at a bunch of Blue- winged Teal that exploded off the water as the night-heron came in. In all the commotion, I lost sight of the night-heron. I had had a brief, inconclusive look at a bird in the same spot about a week ago and left the area trying to figure out what I'd glimpsed. Today there was no doubt as the powder blue looking bird with yellow legs and feet a-dangling flew away from me. The second surprise (not counting the two flocks of turkeys) was a half-chestnut, half-blue Indigo Bunting that flew across the road, then sat and fed in low scrubby stuff long enough for me to get views from several angles. Both of these birds are late, but not extraordinarily late. I really like Prairie Home. Just when I think I've got the place figured out, something new pops up. Edge Wade Columbia, MO edgew AT mchsi.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Green Heron, Duck Creek CA, 10/31, Stoddard CO. From: Chris Barrigar <1chrisbarrigar AT LIVE.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:13 -0600 Soggy Greetings! This morning, unable to get to any of the trees I normally hunt from due to the flooding of Duck Creek CA, I huddled among a tree-lined levee - just about the only dry land I could find. At about 8:45 a.m., the "Cluck-cluck" of a Green Heron startled me somewhat as it landed somewhere in the trees overhead. I had no visual at first, but I felt confident that I had identified the "cluck-cluck" correctly, I turned my attention back to hunting. At about 9:15 a.m., I began to move around to see if I could, in fact make it to one of my trees to climb up in. As I moved quietly along the treeline, the Green Heron flushed from the tree line where the tree trunks and sticks were swallowed up by the water. I was able to get a few rather crappy photos of the late wader, just in case documentation is necessary. Needless to say, there was no way in to my tree stand locations, barring soakers or hip waders! It wasn't a bad day considering the high waters had the insects running up all the tree trunks, sticks and vegetation above the water's surface, and the birds were on a feeding frenzy unlike I've ever seen. I think for the first time in my life, the Ruby-crowned Kinglets actually outnumbered the Golden-crowned Kinglets. They seemingly outnumbered all other species present including a massive flock of Yellow-rumped Warblers. Tried as I may, I couldn't pull another warbler species out of those present. Chris Barrigar Bloomfield Stoddard Co. 1chrisbarrigar AT live.com chrisbarrigar AT hotmail.com http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris http://community.webshots.com/user/photosbychris1 _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Re: Lack of Acorns, not in my backyard From: J C Allen <ssallen1 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:58:55 -0700  Depends on where one is, I guess. I had a huge amount of large acorns from neighbors tree. The squirrels have had a great time.  Sounds like gunfire when they drop on the house in a high wind, though.     Jane Allen   St. Louis County   ssallen1 AT sbcglobal.net --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Marvin Staloch wrote: From: Marvin Staloch Subject: Lack of Acorns To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:04 PM   We did a hike of the Lewis (8 mile) trail at Weldon Spring, St. Charles County today and were surprised at the lack of oak acorns, hickory nuts, and black walnuts.  We did hear a pair of Pileated woodpeckers, also heard and saw a Red-shouldered hawk.  There will be some hungry woodpeckers, turkeys and deer in that area this winter.  Both red oak and white oak acorns were absent from the trail.  We did see a few acorn cups but not any acorns.   Marv and Karen Staloch St. Louis County     ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Re: iPod birding software recommendations? From: Bob Fisher <bobgfisher AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:57 -0500 Margy: When you have made a decision and tried it out, please let us all know how you like it and why. Thanks. Bob Fisher Independence, MO bobgfisher AT comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Margy Terpstra To: MOBIRDS-L AT PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: iPod birding software recommendations? Hi MOBirders, My husband has my daughter's iPod G2 now that she has an iPhone and no longer needs it. We'd like some recommendations on the most current and complete birding software to load onto it. We've been looking at several, birdJam, iBird Explorer Pro and the new Audubon Birds of North America. Your input is greatly appreciated! Margy & Dan Terpstra ladybirdterp AT sbcglobal.net Kirkwood, St. Louis Co, MO ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Yellow-rumped Warblers Video from 10/25/2009 From: John Curran <webjc AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:44:59 -0700 From outside my window in Manchester, MO from last sunday, 10/25/2009 www.currans.com/videos/YellowRumpedWarblers20091025.wmv John Curran Manchester, MO ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Lack of Acorns From: Marvin Staloch <mstaloch01 AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:04:01 -0500 We did a hike of the Lewis (8 mile) trail at Weldon Spring, St. Charles County today and were surprised at the lack of oak acorns, hickory nuts, and black walnuts. We did hear a pair of Pileated woodpeckers, also heard and saw a Red-shouldered hawk. There will be some hungry woodpeckers, turkeys and deer in that area this winter. Both red oak and white oak acorns were absent from the trail. We did see a few acorn cups but not any acorns. Marv and Karen Staloch St. Louis County ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: LITTLE GULL - Carlyle Lake, IL From: Charlene and Jim Malone <2bbirdn AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:28:29 -0500 ILLINOIS bird: Dan Kassebaum had an adult LITTLE GULL from the Saddle Dam at Carlyle Lake. This is between the Lake Access (Handicap parking lot) and Dam East Access (Green Meadows) in South Shores SP part of Carlyle. EARED GREBE location at RMBS: Just past the observation tower the field is flooded. Parking lot at dam is closed. Bird was near the road. Charlene Malone St. Louis co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: Eared Grebe at RMBS From: Charlene and Jim Malone <2bbirdn AT CHARTER.NET> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:58:40 -0500 Riverlands MBS Msg left: EARED GREBE found and seen by multiple birders. "It's in a pool just past the parking, but the parking lot is closed"....?? I am assuming Ellis Bay past the new Heron Pond parking lot...?? Halloween Trick AND Treat? Don't eat too much candy. Charlene Malone St. Louis co. ------------------------------------------------------------ The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum List archives: https://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html Subject: iPod birding software recommendations? From: Margy Terpstra <ladybirdterp AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:20:44 -0600