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10 May Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern [Dermot McCabe ] 10 May Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern [Phil Davis ] 10 May Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern [Phil Davis ] 10 May Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern [Hugh Delaney ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Bill McGrath ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Owen Foley ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Dr Graham Saunders ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Eamonn ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern ["Fitzpatrick, Dara" ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Eamonn ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Owen Foley ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Eamonn ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Eamonn ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Eamonn ] 9 May Re: Recent Little Bittern [Owen Foley ] 9 May Recent Little Bittern [Lee Evans ] 9 May Re: Great tits cope well with warming [Billy Quinn ] 9 May Great tits cope well with warming [Andrew Kelly ] 7 May 338 New Total [Lee Evans ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Lee Evans ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Eamonn ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? ["jhobbs AT iol.ie" ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Eamonn ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Lee Evans ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Michael ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Eamonn ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Lee Evans ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Eamonn ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Lee Evans ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Hugh Delaney ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Evan Salholm ] 7 May Little Terns - Volunteers Needed! [Breffni Martin ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? ["jhobbs AT iol.ie" ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Eamonn ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Dr Graham Saunders ] 7 May Re: Differences ??? [Lee Evans ] 6 May waterways of ireland [Breffni Martin ] 4 May irishbirding.com [Breffni Martin ] 2 May Re: Mail address ["jhobbs AT iol.ie" ] 2 May Re: Mail address ["Fitzharris, Jim" ] 2 May Mail address ["jhobbs AT iol.ie" ] 2 May Re: For Eugene Archer - Zeiss Jena 8x30 [Dr Graham Saunders ] 1 May Re: Caspian Plover [Eamonn ] 1 May Caspian Plover [Joseph Doolan ] 30 Apr Re: East Cork Bird Race [Phil Davis ] 30 Apr Re: East Cork Bird Race ["jhobbs AT iol.ie" ] 30 Apr Differences ??? [Eamonn ] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Dermot McCabe <dermot.mccabe AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:33:44 +0100 Well, Owen, I see the Guardian Angel is ever vigilant. There's another species for the list after the GAA., and it does not require a rarity description. See you on the outing on Saturday? Dermot. 2008/5/10 Phil DavisSubject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Phil Davis <phildavis AT IOL.IE> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:19:46 +0100 Sorry lads meant to say...get a life and a sense of humour! Phil. -------Original Message------- From: Hugh Delaney Date: 10/05/2008 03:24:37 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Seconded, come back when you have something interesting to say, about anything HD ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill McGrath"Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Phil Davis <phildavis AT IOL.IE> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:18:01 +0100 My My are'nt we touchy......get a life lads! Phil. -------Original Message------- From: Hugh Delaney Date: 05/10/08 03:24:37 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Seconded, come back when you have something interesting to say, about anything HD ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill McGrath"Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Hugh Delaney <hughdelaney AT EIRCOM.NET> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 03:22:15 +0100 Seconded, come back when you have something interesting to say, about anything HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McGrath"Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Bill McGrath <birds_bill AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:31:10 -0700 Not funny. Please get off this forum. >Homo Corkonianus, Homo Kerryensis, Homo wicklonii and other species >of GAA loving primative proto humans.... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:43:13 +0100 Homo Corkonianus, Homo Kerryensis, Homo wicklonii and other species of GAA loving primative proto humans.... On 5/9/08, Dr Graham SaundersSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:37:50 +0100 Nor indeed that they had to be bird species: Fallow Deer, Badger, Rabbit, Hare, Stoat, Slug, Mosquito, Sheep, Ant ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Fitzpatrick, Dara To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Bob you didn't say they had to be wild so get counting Dennis. BUDGIE (401), Zebra Finch (402), Egyptian Goose (403), Scarlet Macaw (404)...... -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Eamonn Sent: 09 May 2008 16:11 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Swarovski bins, Kowa scope and Hamlyn Guide to Irish Garden Birds will be given to the first Irish birder that sees 500 species in Ireland. God knows I won't need them (apart from when I go to Gambia so please don't do it before November). What was his 400? BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 16:02 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Eamonn, Can you not give them yourself when you see him?..oh...wait...I see the flaw in that plan....you would have to go birding first!! Owen On 5/9/08, EamonnSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:37:22 +0100 Booted Eagle (405), Red-breasted Goose (406), Bar-headed Goose (407), Ring-necked Parakeet (408), Black Swan, (409), Great Horned Owl (410), Semi-palmated Plover (411), Phoenix (412).................... Have a nice weekend. BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Fitzpatrick, Dara Sent: 09 May 2008 16:32 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Bob you didn't say they had to be wild so get counting Dennis. BUDGIE (401), Zebra Finch (402), Egyptian Goose (403), Scarlet Macaw (404)...... -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Eamonn Sent: 09 May 2008 16:11 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Swarovski bins, Kowa scope and Hamlyn Guide to Irish Garden Birds will be given to the first Irish birder that sees 500 species in Ireland. God knows I won't need them (apart from when I go to Gambia so please don't do it before November). What was his 400? BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 16:02 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Eamonn, Can you not give them yourself when you see him?..oh...wait...I see the flaw in that plan....you would have to go birding first!! Owen On 5/9/08, EamonnSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: "Fitzpatrick, Dara" <d.fitzpatrick AT UCC.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:32:28 +0100 Bob you didn't say they had to be wild so get counting Dennis. BUDGIE (401), Zebra Finch (402), Egyptian Goose (403), Scarlet Macaw (404)...... -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Eamonn Sent: 09 May 2008 16:11 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Swarovski bins, Kowa scope and Hamlyn Guide to Irish Garden Birds will be given to the first Irish birder that sees 500 species in Ireland. God knows I won't need them (apart from when I go to Gambia so please don't do it before November). What was his 400? BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 16:02 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Eamonn, Can you not give them yourself when you see him?..oh...wait...I see the flaw in that plan....you would have to go birding first!! Owen On 5/9/08, EamonnSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:10:40 +0100 Swarovski bins, Kowa scope and Hamlyn Guide to Irish Garden Birds will be given to the first Irish birder that sees 500 species in Ireland. God knows I won't need them (apart from when I go to Gambia so please don't do it before November). What was his 400? BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 16:02 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Eamonn, Can you not give them yourself when you see him?..oh...wait...I see the flaw in that plan....you would have to go birding first!! Owen On 5/9/08, EamonnSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:02:16 +0100 Eamonn, Can you not give them yourself when you see him?..oh...wait...I see the flaw in that plan....you would have to go birding first!! Owen On 5/9/08, EamonnSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:50:37 +0100 Owen, please pass on my congratulations to Dennis. Sorry I wasn't there to witness the monumental moment (whenever it was??). Hard luck Jimmy. I hope you have better luck reaching 500 first. BBB -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 15:12 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Lee, Dennis o Sullivan did not require this species as an irish tick. He has found several in this country. It was the 400th tick for Jim Dowdall I believe, with dennis having achieved this total some time ago. The bird was present on one evening only on the 26th of April at brownstown head, co. Waterford. Seen by 10 Observers or so. Shots are online on a number of websites. Owen On 5/9/08, Lee EvansSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:15:50 +0100 Also, Jimmy is only 399 and a half. -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 15:12 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Lee, Dennis o Sullivan did not require this species as an irish tick. He has found several in this country. It was the 400th tick for Jim Dowdall I believe, with dennis having achieved this total some time ago. The bird was present on one evening only on the 26th of April at brownstown head, co. Waterford. Seen by 10 Observers or so. Shots are online on a number of websites. Owen On 5/9/08, Lee EvansSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:15:08 +0100 What was Denis' 400th and when did that happen?? -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Owen Foley Sent: 09 May 2008 15:12 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Recent Little Bittern Lee, Dennis o Sullivan did not require this species as an irish tick. He has found several in this country. It was the 400th tick for Jim Dowdall I believe, with dennis having achieved this total some time ago. The bird was present on one evening only on the 26th of April at brownstown head, co. Waterford. Seen by 10 Observers or so. Shots are online on a number of websites. Owen On 5/9/08, Lee EvansSubject: Re: Recent Little Bittern From: Owen Foley <pariah.owen AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:12:07 +0100 Lee, Dennis o Sullivan did not require this species as an irish tick. He has found several in this country. It was the 400th tick for Jim Dowdall I believe, with dennis having achieved this total some time ago. The bird was present on one evening only on the 26th of April at brownstown head, co. Waterford. Seen by 10 Observers or so. Shots are online on a number of websites. Owen On 5/9/08, Lee EvansSubject: Recent Little Bittern From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:55:49 EDT Can somebody kindly supply me with details of the recent Little Bittern in Ireland. I am guessing it was a new bird for the majority of Irish Listers and by my reckoning the 400th IRBC accepted species for a certain leading Denis O'Sullivan (although of course this total well surpasses this mark by UK400 Club rulings). I require a little history on the record - age/sex, locality, full dates/number of observers if known Many thanks Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Great tits cope well with warming From: Billy Quinn <bqsnr44 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:18:38 +0100 That is a very interesting article. We have 2 nest boxes in our garden - one always has great tits in it and the other one always has blue tits and a webcam. The survival rate as far as we can ascertain is better for the Great Tits than for the Blue Tits. One year when the Blue Tit chicks all died the Great Tits did not seem to have the same problem. Bill On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Andrew KellySubject: Great tits cope well with warming From: Andrew Kelly <andrew_kelly_home AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:40:38 +0100 I see the BBC journalists are hard at work Great tits cope well with warming or http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7390109.stm _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces – your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overviewSubject: 338 New Total From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:16:56 EDT With the further addition of 17 species in the past 15 days, the total number of species now recorded in Britain and Ireland in 2008 now surges forward to 338 species. The new additions are thus -: LITTLE BITTERN BLACK STORK Eurasian Honey Buzzard Corncrake CASPIAN PLOVER AMERICAN GOLDEN PLOVER BROAD-BILLED SANDPIPER UPLAND SANDPIPER Little Tern European Nightjar PALLID SWIFT European Bee-eater CITRINE WAGTAIL Golden Oriole Woodchat Shrike WHITE-THROATED SPARROW Ortolan Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:20:52 EDT In a message dated 07/05/2008 16:13:34 GMT Daylight Time, eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE writes: Wasn't there a photo of a Bay-breasted Warbler from somewhere Lee? What happened that? Do the BOU accept the Slender-billed Curlew as a genuine vagrant positively identified?? Eamonn There is a video of a first-winter Bay-breasted Warbler said to have been filmed in West Cornwall (it was filmed on a day when several Red-eyed Vireos arrived, including one which alighted on the Scillonian between Penzance and St Mary's). I have seen the video and a copy of it was used to try and find the exact location in Cornwall - the location was never matched nor the vegetation found. It is an interesting piece of film, (inserted) spliced between a Great Spotted Cuckoo in Sussex and holiday footage of Land's End and common seabirds. The BOU accept the Druridge Bay SBC as the real thing but in my opinion, all video evidence and photographs suggest the bird is nothing more than a Eurasian Curlew (in fact I have emailed images of the bird to international experts under the pseudonym of mystery bird and none has ever suggested SBC). To fit the bill, a unique first-summer plumage was invented to explain the odd-looking numenius, one of at least 10 such 'runt' individuals being seen subsequently from Norfolk to Gloucestershire. Much of the evidence and original investigative work was based on Didier Vandaleuwe, who famously identified and confirmed the Minsmere curlew as a Slender-billed Curlew a few years later. He managed to secure a large sum of money in his quest for this species, largely due to the fact that an immature had been sighted in Northumberland. In my view, SBC is extinct and most likely became so when the final surviving wintering bird in Morocco was last recorded in February 1995. I had seen four different birds (all identically plumaged) at Merja Zerga in the five years prior to this.Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:56:11 +0100 It must have been a really really long time ago when he was young naive if he thought Spoonbill was a garden bird ! -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of jhobbs AT iol.ie Sent: 07 May 2008 16:52 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Michael I know that bus, the 84! If you miss one, just start walking as you have more chance of a black woodpecker. joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael michael AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:26:10 +0100 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Speaking of garden ornaments - I remember a long, long time ago jumping off the bus to Kilcoole just outside Greystones when we caught a glimpse of a Spoonbill. It was a long walk into Kilcoole....... Regards, Michael. -----Original Message----- >From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 15:10 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? You don't know the general quality of the birding franertity over here !! There are far more unsubstantiated claims of Cattle Egrets, Black Kites, eagle species and Glossy Ibises, and rare gulls such as Laughing and Great Black-headed are forever being mistaken for Mediterranean Gulls. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ######################################################################## #### ######### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ######################################################################## #### ######### -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft(r) Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: "jhobbs AT iol.ie" <jhobbs@IOL.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:51:57 -0400 Michael I know that bus, the 84! If you miss one, just start walking as you have more chance of a black woodpecker. joe Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael michael AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:26:10 +0100 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Speaking of garden ornaments - I remember a long, long time ago jumping off the bus to Kilcoole just outside Greystones when we caught a glimpse of a Spoonbill. It was a long walk into Kilcoole....... Regards, Michael. -----Original Message----- >From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 15:10 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? You don't know the general quality of the birding franertity over here !! There are far more unsubstantiated claims of Cattle Egrets, Black Kites, eagle species and Glossy Ibises, and rare gulls such as Laughing and Great Black-headed are forever being mistaken for Mediterranean Gulls. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ############################################################################ ######### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ############################################################################ ######### -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/ExchangeSubject: Re: Differences ??? From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:11:16 +0100 There is a sense of puzzlement about the fact that no 'believable' birder has seen even one of these so just maybe there haven't been any. It is a bit like UFO enthusiasts who never get to actually see a UFO and are always skeptical about reports from other observers. Wasn't there a photo of a Bay-breasted Warbler from somewhere Lee? What happened that? Do the BOU accept the Slender-billed Curlew as a genuine vagrant positively identified?? Sorry if my American Warbler question is mistaken. Regards, Eamonn -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Dr Graham Saunders Sent: 07 May 2008 15:50 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? That is certainly at odds with Fitter, who was of the opinion that there were about 80 worthwhile out of about 150 reports of Black Woodpecker in Britain. And from what I recall, the detail of the reports he used as evidence showed considerable research on his part in firstly sourcing original reports and then providing supporting evidence. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:57:57 EDT Reeves's Pheasant has a population of no more than seven males in Britain (mostly in Norfolk Breckland), all local releases. It has never been self-sustaining Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:51:05 +0100 Reeves' Pheasant - wasn't one spotted quite recently. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Evans To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Differences ??? Australian Black Swan is breeding in the wild in Britain but in very small numbers (9 pairs). Budgerigar has long since become extinct on Scilly, as has Northern Bobwhite, whilst both exotic pheasants are in trouble, with just 7 male Lady A's left and 43 Goldens. There are no acceptable Black Woodpecker records out of the 125 or so reported claims. It is a potential vagrant though despite what others say. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:49:51 +0100 That is certainly at odds with Fitter, who was of the opinion that there were about 80 worthwhile out of about 150 reports of Black Woodpecker in Britain. And from what I recall, the detail of the reports he used as evidence showed considerable research on his part in firstly sourcing original reports and then providing supporting evidence. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Michael <michael AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:26:10 +0100 Speaking of garden ornaments - I remember a long, long time ago jumping off the bus to Kilcoole just outside Greystones when we caught a glimpse of a Spoonbill. It was a long walk into Kilcoole....... Regards, Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 15:10 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? You don't know the general quality of the birding franertity over here !! There are far more unsubstantiated claims of Cattle Egrets, Black Kites, eagle species and Glossy Ibises, and rare gulls such as Laughing and Great Black-headed are forever being mistaken for Mediterranean Gulls. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:21:22 +0100 Fantastic ! It must be a real bummer having so many false claims of Mediterranean Gulls of birds which are, in fact, Great Black-headed ! We have the same problem with Ringed Plovers. Interesting stuff. Eamonn -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 15:10 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? You don't know the general quality of the birding franertity over here !! There are far more unsubstantiated claims of Cattle Egrets, Black Kites, eagle species and Glossy Ibises, and rare gulls such as Laughing and Great Black-headed are forever being mistaken for Mediterranean Gulls. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:10:22 EDT You don't know the general quality of the birding franertity over here !! There are far more unsubstantiated claims of Cattle Egrets, Black Kites, eagle species and Glossy Ibises, and rare gulls such as Laughing and Great Black-headed are forever being mistaken for Mediterranean Gulls. The Black Woodpecker claims relate to a wide variety of misidentifications, from Carrion Crows to garden ornaments. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Eamonn <eamonn AT COLLIERKITCHENS.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:50:18 +0100 How the hell can you have 125 unsubstantiated/unacceptable reports of Black Woodpecker???? What were they, distant Black Swans ?? -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 14:45 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Australian Black Swan is breeding in the wild in Britain but in very small numbers (9 pairs). Budgerigar has long since become extinct on Scilly, as has Northern Bobwhite, whilst both exotic pheasants are in trouble, with just 7 male Lady A's left and 43 Goldens. There are no acceptable Black Woodpecker records out of the 125 or so reported claims. It is a potential vagrant though despite what others say. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ##################################################################################### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal #####################################################################################Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Lee Evans <LGREUK400 AT AOL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:44:42 EDT Australian Black Swan is breeding in the wild in Britain but in very small numbers (9 pairs). Budgerigar has long since become extinct on Scilly, as has Northern Bobwhite, whilst both exotic pheasants are in trouble, with just 7 male Lady A's left and 43 Goldens. There are no acceptable Black Woodpecker records out of the 125 or so reported claims. It is a potential vagrant though despite what others say. Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400ClubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders)Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:30:11 +0100 44 pairs of Eagle Owl - FORTY FOUR! - but no Budgerigar (wasn't there a colony on Scilly?) or Zebra Finch. Black Swan must be breeding somewhere in Britain, there's enough of them about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Delaney To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Differences ??? Black Woodpecker has been recorded on Helgoland. http://oag-helgoland.de/ Regards Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Graham Saunders"Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Hugh Delaney <hughdelaney AT EIRCOM.NET> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:13:29 +0100 Black Woodpecker has been recorded on Helgoland. http://oag-helgoland.de/ Regards Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Graham Saunders"Subject: Re: Differences ??? From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:05:23 +0100 But Joe, wasn't there also a report of one on Heligoland from that era?
----- Original Message -----
From: jhobbs AT iol.ie
To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Differences ???
Snow Finch... Hastings Rarity surely?
Original Message:
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From: Dr Graham Saunders g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:58:40 +0100
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Differences ???
... And Snow Finch.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eamonn
To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Differences ???
Hi Lee,
Thanks very much for such a comprehensive reply. I'm sure others will
find this very interesting also.
Doc, maybe Black Woodpeckers don't cross big expanses of water. Just
like Booted Eagle.
eamonn
-----Original Message-----
From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of
Lee Evans
Sent: 07 May 2008 12:25
To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: Differences ???
Eamonn
I have just returned from China and just read your email. Not sure where
you
have found a BOU list stating the number of species recorded in the UK
this
year.
The UK400 Club List of British and Irish birds has the following
differences
It does NOT recognise Feral Pigeon nor Scottish Parrot Crossbill, the
latter
considered an isolated form of Parrot Crossbill. Slender-billed Curlew
is also
not accepted (the most recent claim is considered to relate to Eurasian
Curlew).
Pacific Diver (considered distinct from BTD), Masked Booby (1-2
records),
Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross (2 records of one individual), European
White
Pelican (several records), American Least Bittern (1 record), Chinese
Pond Heron
(Category D), Sacred Ibis (Category C vagrant from population in
France),
Greater Flamingo (several records considered genuine vagrants), Chilean
Flamingo
(Category C vagrant from feral population in Germany), North American
Whistling Swan (considered distinct from Bewick's Swan), Ross's Snow
Goose (numerous
records, vagrants from North America where species has undergone 71%
increase
in population; record 4 birds in 2007/8 winter), Greenland White-fronted
Goose
(considered distinct from Eurasian/Pacific), Tundra Bean Goose
(considered
distinct from Taiga Bean Goose), Pale-bellied Brent Goose and Black
Brant (both
considered specifically distinct from Dark-bellied Brent Goose), Ruddy
Shelduck
(mix of vagrants and Category C vagrants from Russia and elsewhere),
Bar-headed Goose (Category C vagrant from feral populations in The
Netherlands), North
American Wood Duck (1 record - vagrant male in North Sea), Falcated Duck
(numerous records - Category D), Marbled Duck (numerous records, clear
pattern of
vagrancy), Baikal Teal (several records, one at least on Category A),
Cinnamon
Teal (1 record considered vagrant - Outer Hebrides), White-winged Scoter
(1
record - NW Scotland), Hooded Merganser (numerous records, clear pattern
of
occurrence), White-headed Duck (numerous records including influx years;
clear
pattern of occurrence), Eurasian Black Vulture (1 record - considered
Vagrant),
North American Bald Eagle (1+ records), Booted Eagle (at least 4 records
-
considered vagrant), North American Hen Harrier (considered distinct
from Hen
Harrier), Red-shouldered Hawk (1 ship-assisted vagrant), Saker (records
under
consideration for recategoristaion - currently in Category E), Lady
Amherst's
Pheasant (Category C - 7 males still survive), Hudsonian Whimbrel
(considered
distinct from Eurasian Whimbrel), Caspian Gull (considered distinct from
Herring
Gull), Thayer's Gull (5 accepted records from Ireland; at least 4 others
under
review), North American Least Tern (1 record; considered distinct from
Little
Tern), Elegant Tern (at least 5 records), North American Black Tern (6+
records mainly from Ireland; considered specifically distinct from Black
Tern),
Eurasian Eagle Owl (population of 44 pairs in UK of unknown provenance;
accepted
to Category D), White-rumped Swift (single record from Ireland), Monk
Parakeet
(status being reviewed, feral population currently just under 100
individuals), Middle-spotted Woodpecker (1 record, East Kent), Northern
Flicker
(ship-assisted vagrant to Ireland), White Wagtail (considered distinct
from Pied
Wagtail), Amur Wagtail (considered distinct from Pied Wagtail; 3 vagrant
records),
Black-headed Wagtail (numerous records; considered distinct from Yellow
Wagtail), Eastern Yellow Wagtail (10+ records; considered distinct from
Yellow
Wagtail), Eastern Common Nightingale (3 records; taxonomic status
currently under
review), Siberian and Caspian Stonechats (both vagrants and both
considered
specifically distinct from Common Stonechat), Bicknell's Thrush (vagrant
on Scilly
1 record; considered distinct from Grey-cheeked Thrush), Red-throated
Thrush
(1 record in Essex; considered distinct from Black-throated Thrush),
Naumann's
Thrush (3 records; considered distinct from Dusky Thrush), Desert Lesser
Whitethroat (10+ records; considered distinct from Lesser/Siberian
Lesser
Whitethroats), Eastern Subalpine Warbler (regular vagrant; considered
distinct from
Western/Moltoni's Subalpine Warblers), Sykes's Booted Warbler (8+
records;
considered distinct from Booted Warbler), Siberian Chiffchaff
(considered distinct
from Common/Scandinavian Chiffchaffs), Two-barred Greenish and Green
Warbler
(both vagrants and both considered specifically distinct from Greenish
Warblers), Asiatic Brown Flycatcher (2 vagrant records), Mugimaki
Flycatcher (1 record
- considered vagrant), House Crow (ship-assisted records to Ireland),
Daurian
Starling (2 vagrant records), Mealy, Greenland and Scandinavian Arctic
Redpolls (5 species recognised by UK400 Club but may all relate to one
North-south
cline of single species), Pine Siskin (ship-assisted record), Field
Sparrow
(ship-assisted record), American Goldfinch (ship-assisted record in
Ireland -
still under review), Rusty Blackbird, Yellow-headed Blackbird (several
records),
Brown Thrasher (ship-assisted record), Spotted Towhee (ship-assisted
record)
and Red-headed Bunting (numerous records; clear pattern of summer
vagrancy)
Lee G R Evans
British Birding Association
UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and
Conservationist
Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/)
Rare Bird Alert:
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ubBBA/_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl
ubBBA/)
Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com
Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_
(http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/)
Chaffinch House
8 Sandycroft Road
Little Chalfont
Amersham
Buckinghamshire
England
HP6 6QL
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Subject: Re: Differences ???From: Evan Salholm <Evan.Salholm AT SPD.DCU.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:08:45 +0100 Eamonn, Black 'Peckers do.They colonised the Baltic island of Bornholm,from either Germany,Poland or Sweden.The English Channel would be no problem,and they may be breeding closer to the Channel than in the past. Evan -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE]On Behalf Of Eamonn Sent: 07 May 2008 12:43 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Hi Lee, Thanks very much for such a comprehensive reply. I'm sure others will find this very interesting also. Doc, maybe Black Woodpeckers don't cross big expanses of water. Just like Booted Eagle. eamonn -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 12:25 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Eamonn I have just returned from China and just read your email. Not sure where you have found a BOU list stating the number of species recorded in the UK this year. The UK400 Club List of British and Irish birds has the following differences It does NOT recognise Feral Pigeon nor Scottish Parrot Crossbill, the latter considered an isolated form of Parrot Crossbill. Slender-billed Curlew is also not accepted (the most recent claim is considered to relate to Eurasian Curlew). Pacific Diver (considered distinct from BTD), Masked Booby (1-2 records), Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross (2 records of one individual), European White Pelican (several records), American Least Bittern (1 record), Chinese Pond Heron (Category D), Sacred Ibis (Category C vagrant from population in France), Greater Flamingo (several records considered genuine vagrants), Chilean Flamingo (Category C vagrant from feral population in Germany), North American Whistling Swan (considered distinct from Bewick's Swan), Ross's Snow Goose (numerous records, vagrants from North America where species has undergone 71% increase in population; record 4 birds in 2007/8 winter), Greenland White-fronted Goose (considered distinct from Eurasian/Pacific), Tundra Bean Goose (considered distinct from Taiga Bean Goose), Pale-bellied Brent Goose and Black Brant (both considered specifically distinct from Dark-bellied Brent Goose), Ruddy Shelduck (mix of vagrants and Category C vagrants from Russia and elsewhere), Bar-headed Goose (Category C vagrant from feral populations in The Netherlands), North American Wood Duck (1 record - vagrant male in North Sea), Falcated Duck (numerous records - Category D), Marbled Duck (numerous records, clear pattern of vagrancy), Baikal Teal (several records, one at least on Category A), Cinnamon Teal (1 record considered vagrant - Outer Hebrides), White-winged Scoter (1 record - NW Scotland), Hooded Merganser (numerous records, clear pattern of occurrence), White-headed Duck (numerous records including influx years; clear pattern of occurrence), Eurasian Black Vulture (1 record - considered Vagrant), North American Bald Eagle (1+ records), Booted Eagle (at least 4 records - considered vagrant), North American Hen Harrier (considered distinct from Hen Harrier), Red-shouldered Hawk (1 ship-assisted vagrant), Saker (records under consideration for recategoristaion - currently in Category E), Lady Amherst's Pheasant (Category C - 7 males still survive), Hudsonian Whimbrel (considered distinct from Eurasian Whimbrel), Caspian Gull (considered distinct from Herring Gull), Thayer's Gull (5 accepted records from Ireland; at least 4 others under review), North American Least Tern (1 record; considered distinct from Little Tern), Elegant Tern (at least 5 records), North American Black Tern (6+ records mainly from Ireland; considered specifically distinct from Black Tern), Eurasian Eagle Owl (population of 44 pairs in UK of unknown provenance; accepted to Category D), White-rumped Swift (single record from Ireland), Monk Parakeet (status being reviewed, feral population currently just under 100 individuals), Middle-spotted Woodpecker (1 record, East Kent), Northern Flicker (ship-assisted vagrant to Ireland), White Wagtail (considered distinct from Pied Wagtail), Amur Wagtail (considered distinct from Pied Wagtail; 3 vagrant records), Black-headed Wagtail (numerous records; considered distinct from Yellow Wagtail), Eastern Yellow Wagtail (10+ records; considered distinct from Yellow Wagtail), Eastern Common Nightingale (3 records; taxonomic status currently under review), Siberian and Caspian Stonechats (both vagrants and both considered specifically distinct from Common Stonechat), Bicknell's Thrush (vagrant on Scilly 1 record; considered distinct from Grey-cheeked Thrush), Red-throated Thrush (1 record in Essex; considered distinct from Black-throated Thrush), Naumann's Thrush (3 records; considered distinct from Dusky Thrush), Desert Lesser Whitethroat (10+ records; considered distinct from Lesser/Siberian Lesser Whitethroats), Eastern Subalpine Warbler (regular vagrant; considered distinct from Western/Moltoni's Subalpine Warblers), Sykes's Booted Warbler (8+ records; considered distinct from Booted Warbler), Siberian Chiffchaff (considered distinct from Common/Scandinavian Chiffchaffs), Two-barred Greenish and Green Warbler (both vagrants and both considered specifically distinct from Greenish Warblers), Asiatic Brown Flycatcher (2 vagrant records), Mugimaki Flycatcher (1 record - considered vagrant), House Crow (ship-assisted records to Ireland), Daurian Starling (2 vagrant records), Mealy, Greenland and Scandinavian Arctic Redpolls (5 species recognised by UK400 Club but may all relate to one North-south cline of single species), Pine Siskin (ship-assisted record), Field Sparrow (ship-assisted record), American Goldfinch (ship-assisted record in Ireland - still under review), Rusty Blackbird, Yellow-headed Blackbird (several records), Brown Thrasher (ship-assisted record), Spotted Towhee (ship-assisted record) and Red-headed Bunting (numerous records; clear pattern of summer vagrancy) Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ############################################################################ ######### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ############################################################################ #########Subject: Little Terns - Volunteers Needed! From: Breffni Martin <bmartin AT REGINTEL.COM> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:36:25 +0100 The Little Terns at Baltray have begun prospecting for nest sites so the season for volunteer wardening is about to begin. This year again we will be depending entirely on volunteers to make a success of the project, so anyone available to give any time whatsoever please contact me - email info AT louthnaturetrust.org or sandramckeever AT eircom.net, or phone/text me on 086 8625901. The beach will need to be wardened from early morning - 5am, until late evening - 10pm, 7 days a week. This is a lot of time to get cover for, so if anyone is even able to offer a couple of hours the odd time it will all add up and hopefully relieve the massive pressure that was on some of the volunteers last year. The volunteer effort really is vital to the success of the Little Terns, and we learned from last year that this needs to be in place as early on in the season as possible. Look forward to hearing from you all!!! __________________ www.louthnaturetrust.orgSubject: Re: Differences ??? From: "jhobbs AT iol.ie" <jhobbs@IOL.IE> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:05:37 -0400 Snow Finch... Hastings Rarity surely? Original Message: ----------------- From: Dr Graham Saunders g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:58:40 +0100 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? ... And Snow Finch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eamonn To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Differences ??? Hi Lee, Thanks very much for such a comprehensive reply. I'm sure others will find this very interesting also. Doc, maybe Black Woodpeckers don't cross big expanses of water. Just like Booted Eagle. eamonn -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 12:25 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Eamonn I have just returned from China and just read your email. Not sure where you have found a BOU list stating the number of species recorded in the UK this year. The UK400 Club List of British and Irish birds has the following differences It does NOT recognise Feral Pigeon nor Scottish Parrot Crossbill, the latter considered an isolated form of Parrot Crossbill. Slender-billed Curlew is also not accepted (the most recent claim is considered to relate to Eurasian Curlew). Pacific Diver (considered distinct from BTD), Masked Booby (1-2 records), Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross (2 records of one individual), European White Pelican (several records), American Least Bittern (1 record), Chinese Pond Heron (Category D), Sacred Ibis (Category C vagrant from population in France), Greater Flamingo (several records considered genuine vagrants), Chilean Flamingo (Category C vagrant from feral population in Germany), North American Whistling Swan (considered distinct from Bewick's Swan), Ross's Snow Goose (numerous records, vagrants from North America where species has undergone 71% increase in population; record 4 birds in 2007/8 winter), Greenland White-fronted Goose (considered distinct from Eurasian/Pacific), Tundra Bean Goose (considered distinct from Taiga Bean Goose), Pale-bellied Brent Goose and Black Brant (both considered specifically distinct from Dark-bellied Brent Goose), Ruddy Shelduck (mix of vagrants and Category C vagrants from Russia and elsewhere), Bar-headed Goose (Category C vagrant from feral populations in The Netherlands), North American Wood Duck (1 record - vagrant male in North Sea), Falcated Duck (numerous records - Category D), Marbled Duck (numerous records, clear pattern of vagrancy), Baikal Teal (several records, one at least on Category A), Cinnamon Teal (1 record considered vagrant - Outer Hebrides), White-winged Scoter (1 record - NW Scotland), Hooded Merganser (numerous records, clear pattern of occurrence), White-headed Duck (numerous records including influx years; clear pattern of occurrence), Eurasian Black Vulture (1 record - considered Vagrant), North American Bald Eagle (1+ records), Booted Eagle (at least 4 records - considered vagrant), North American Hen Harrier (considered distinct from Hen Harrier), Red-shouldered Hawk (1 ship-assisted vagrant), Saker (records under consideration for recategoristaion - currently in Category E), Lady Amherst's Pheasant (Category C - 7 males still survive), Hudsonian Whimbrel (considered distinct from Eurasian Whimbrel), Caspian Gull (considered distinct from Herring Gull), Thayer's Gull (5 accepted records from Ireland; at least 4 others under review), North American Least Tern (1 record; considered distinct from Little Tern), Elegant Tern (at least 5 records), North American Black Tern (6+ records mainly from Ireland; considered specifically distinct from Black Tern), Eurasian Eagle Owl (population of 44 pairs in UK of unknown provenance; accepted to Category D), White-rumped Swift (single record from Ireland), Monk Parakeet (status being reviewed, feral population currently just under 100 individuals), Middle-spotted Woodpecker (1 record, East Kent), Northern Flicker (ship-assisted vagrant to Ireland), White Wagtail (considered distinct from Pied Wagtail), Amur Wagtail (considered distinct from Pied Wagtail; 3 vagrant records), Black-headed Wagtail (numerous records; considered distinct from Yellow Wagtail), Eastern Yellow Wagtail (10+ records; considered distinct from Yellow Wagtail), Eastern Common Nightingale (3 records; taxonomic status currently under review), Siberian and Caspian Stonechats (both vagrants and both considered specifically distinct from Common Stonechat), Bicknell's Thrush (vagrant on Scilly 1 record; considered distinct from Grey-cheeked Thrush), Red-throated Thrush (1 record in Essex; considered distinct from Black-throated Thrush), Naumann's Thrush (3 records; considered distinct from Dusky Thrush), Desert Lesser Whitethroat (10+ records; considered distinct from Lesser/Siberian Lesser Whitethroats), Eastern Subalpine Warbler (regular vagrant; considered distinct from Western/Moltoni's Subalpine Warblers), Sykes's Booted Warbler (8+ records; considered distinct from Booted Warbler), Siberian Chiffchaff (considered distinct from Common/Scandinavian Chiffchaffs), Two-barred Greenish and Green Warbler (both vagrants and both considered specifically distinct from Greenish Warblers), Asiatic Brown Flycatcher (2 vagrant records), Mugimaki Flycatcher (1 record - considered vagrant), House Crow (ship-assisted records to Ireland), Daurian Starling (2 vagrant records), Mealy, Greenland and Scandinavian Arctic Redpolls (5 species recognised by UK400 Club but may all relate to one North-south cline of single species), Pine Siskin (ship-assisted record), Field Sparrow (ship-assisted record), American Goldfinch (ship-assisted record in Ireland - still under review), Rusty Blackbird, Yellow-headed Blackbird (several records), Brown Thrasher (ship-assisted record), Spotted Towhee (ship-assisted record) and Red-headed Bunting (numerous records; clear pattern of summer vagrancy) Lee G R Evans British Birding Association UK400 Club, Rare Birds Magazine, Ornithological Consultant and Conservationist Discussion Forum/Email Group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UK400Club/) Rare Bird Alert: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RareBirdAlertforBritainandIreland_UK400Cl ubBBA/) Email Address: LGREUK400 AT aol.com Website Address: _www.uk400clubonline.co.uk_ (http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/) Chaffinch House 8 Sandycroft Road Little Chalfont Amersham Buckinghamshire England HP6 6QL Telephones: 01494 763010 and 01494 581157 Mobile/Text Alerts: 07881 906629 (Lee Evans Enterprises incorporate documentation of rare bird occurrences in Britain & Ireland and elsewhere in the Western Palearctic and in North America; Rare Bird Information and Rare Bird Alerts; Rare Birds Magazine and other related publications; Bird Tours for Birders) ########################################################################## ########### This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ########################################################################## ########### -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePointSubject: Re: Differences ??? From: Dr Graham Saunders <g.saunders AT QUB.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:58:40 +0100 ... And Snow Finch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eamonn To: IBN-L AT listserv.heanet.ie Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Differences ??? Hi Lee, Thanks very much for such a comprehensive reply. I'm sure others will find this very interesting also. Doc, maybe Black Woodpeckers don't cross big expanses of water. Just like Booted Eagle. eamonn -----Original Message----- From: Irish Bird Network [mailto:IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: 07 May 2008 12:25 To: IBN-L AT LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: Re: Differences ??? Eamonn I have just returned from China and just read your email. Not sure where you have found a BOU list stating the number of species recorded in the UK this year. The UK400 Club List of British and Irish birds has the following differences It does NOT recognise Feral Pigeon nor Scottish Parrot Crossbill, the latter considered an isolated form of Parrot Crossbill. Slender-billed Curlew is also not accepted (the most recent claim is considered to relate to Eurasian Curlew). Pacific Diver (considered distinct from BTD), Masked Booby (1-2 records), Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross (2 records of one individual), European White Pelican (several records), American Least Bittern (1 record), Chinese Pond Heron (Category D), Sacred Ibis (Category C vagrant from population in France), Greater Flamingo (several records considered genuine vagrants), Chilean Flamingo (Category C vagrant from feral population in Germany), North American Whistling Swan (considered distinct from Bewick's Swan), Ross's Snow Goose (numerous records, vagrants from North America where species has undergone 71% increase in population; record 4 birds in 2007/8 winter), Greenland White-fronted Goose (considered distinct from Eurasian/Pacific), Tundra Bean Goose (considered distinct from Taiga Bean Goose), Pale-bellied Brent Goose and Black Brant (both considered specifically distinct from Dark-bellied Brent Goose), Ruddy Shelduck (mix of vagrants and Category C vagrants from Russia and elsewhere), Bar-headed Goose (Category C vagrant from feral populations in The Netherlands), North American Wood Duck (1 record - vagrant male in North Sea), Falcated Duck (numerous records - Category D), Marbled Duck (numerous records, clear pattern of vagrancy), Baikal Teal (several records, one at least on Category A), Cinnamon Teal (1 record considered vagrant - Outer Hebrides), White-winged Scoter (1 record - NW Scotland), Hooded Merganser (numerous records, clear pattern of occurrence), White-headed Duck (numerous records including influx years; clear pattern of occurrence), Eurasian Black Vulture (1 record - considered Vagrant), North American Bald Eagle (1+ records), Booted Eagle (at least 4 records - considered vagrant), North American Hen Harrier (considered distinct from Hen Harrier), Red-shouldered Hawk (1 ship-assisted vagrant), Saker (records under consideration for recategoristaion - currently in Category E), Lady Amherst's Pheasant (Category C - 7 males still survive), Hudsonian Whimbrel (considered distinct from Eurasian Whimbrel), Caspian Gull (considered distinct from Herring Gull), Thayer's Gull (5 accepted records from Ireland; at least 4 others under review), North American Least Tern (1 record; considered distinct from Little Tern), Elegant Tern (at least 5 records), North American Black Tern (6+ records mainly from Ireland; considered specifically d |