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28 May Thank you [Laura L Burkholder ] 28 May Fw: Farewell to Bluebird-L [] 28 May Re: Farewell to Bluebird-L ["Joe O'Brien" ] 28 May Farewell to Bluebird-L [Mary Roen ] 28 May Re: Thanks, Cornell [Carla Caretto ] 28 May Wings of Blue ["Kathleen Arnold" ] 28 May Thanks, Cornell [] 28 May Fond Farewell ["Shawn" ] 28 May Goodbye and a repeat offer ["Bob Walshaw" ] 28 May Thanks to Cornell ["Kathleen Arnold" ] 28 May Goodbye Bluebird-L [John Schuster ] 28 May Re: Cornell/Happy Trails to YOU!!! [Wick Ann ] 28 May End of Bluebird-L Happy Trails to YOU!!! [Wick Ann ] 28 May Fw: Bluebird-L the last ten years ["kingston" ] 28 May Re: Cornell ["Bob Walshaw" ] 28 May Goodbye and Thanks ["Shari Kastner" ] 28 May End of Bluebird-L Happy Trails to YOU!!! [Wick Ann ] 28 May Appreciation and Gratitude [] 28 May Thank You. [drdodson ] 28 May Re: Thank you all [theresa ] 28 May Goodbye ["Paula Ziebarth" ] 28 May Thank you! [] 28 May Thank you all [] 28 May Bluebird-L ["linyl" ] 28 May Thank You! [] 28 May RE: Bluebird-L the last ten years ["Gail Storm" ] 28 May Goodbye! [] 28 May Goodbye ["John Hibbard" ] 28 May Bluebird-L the last ten years ["Keith Kridler" ] 28 May Goodbye BBL ["Dottie" ] 28 May Re: more ? about egg shells ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May RE: Cowbird Solution [Tina Mitchell ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) [Chad Sarles ] 27 May Re: Cornell [] 27 May Cowbird Solution [drdodson ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Paula Ziebarth" ] 27 May RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Dottie" ] 27 May Moving a cowbird chick [drdodson ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Mike Leonard" ] 27 May RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Bet Zimmerman" ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) [Chad Sarles ] 27 May Re: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes ["Bob Walshaw" ] 27 May Re: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes ["Bruce Burdett" ] 27 May "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes [jrodewald ] 27 May Re: Big chick PROW or not? ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May Re: Big chick PROW or not? ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May Cornell ["Bob Walshaw" ] 27 May RE: Big chick... Same species or not? ["Brown, Andrew J." ] 27 May RE: Big chick... Same species or not? [drdodson ] 27 May RE: Big chick... Same species or not? [Mary Roen ] 27 May Big chick... Same species or not? [drdodson ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May Re: Re: Babies at day 16 ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Bet Zimmerman" ] 27 May Waiting for others to answer questions ["Keith Kridler" ] 27 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) [] 26 May RE: Evelyn's bluebird photo [Tina Mitchell ] 26 May RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["linyl" ] 26 May Re: Evelyn's bluebird photo ["Keith Kridler" ] 26 May Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Keith Kridler" ] 26 May RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) ["Gail Storm" ] 26 May Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) [Chad Sarles ] 26 May BMG turns 100! [] 25 May RE: Goodbye for now ["linyl" ] 25 May RE: Goodbye for now ["Dottie" ] 25 May RE: Unknown nest in nest box [jrodewald ] 25 May RE: Goodbye for now ["Gail Storm" ] 25 May Goodbye for now ["Bob Walshaw" ] 26 May Re: Unknown nest in nest box [] 25 May Unknown nest in nest box [jrodewald ] 25 May Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird ["Joe O'Brien" ] 25 May Re: Fledgling in the yard!! ["Joe O'Brien" ] 25 May Re: Fledgling in the yard!! ["Joe O'Brien" ] 25 May Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird [] 25 May RE: Fledgling in the yard!! ["Shari Kastner" ] 25 May Re: Testing for disease in plants and birds ["Keith Kridler" ] Subject: Thank you From: Laura L Burkholder <llb93 AT cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:12:27 -0400 Hi all, Thank you again for your participation in the Bluebird-L. Thank you also for the many kind words of thanks to Cornell staff for hosting the list. We hope to see you and your wonderful insights on cavity nesters continue to inform us and others on Facebook and other forums. Best wishes to all of you! Laura Burkholder *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Fw: Farewell to Bluebird-L From: WoolwineHouse AT aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:52:19 +0000 Christine Southwest Virginia ----------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: WoolwineHouse AT aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:50:49 To: Mary Roen Subject: Re: Farewell to Bluebird-L I have been heads down on projects and house guests for past 2 months and say thanks to Cornell and will see you all on Yahoo and Facebook. Also bye and thanks to Bluebird Bob! Christine in SW Virginia Woolwine House Bluebird Trail Christine Southwest Virginia ----------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mary Roen Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:19:36 To: Subject: Farewell to Bluebird-L Hi, I echo the sentiments of everyone else who has learned so much from this list. I have made about every mistake imaginable in putting up nest boxes. There is perhaps not one right way, but there are a lot of wrong ways! I have improved my fledging rate dramatically with tips from all the wonderful people who have shared their knowledge and experience with me here. Thank you all and Cornell! I have moved over to Yahoo and hope to see all of you there as well. Even though we must say good-bye to Bluebird-L we don't have to say good-bye to each other. Mary Roen, River Falls, WI _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Farewell to Bluebird-L From: "Joe O'Brien" <obiscoinc AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:09:41 -0500 Nice touch Mary. My bluebird partner Beverly and i have made our own share of mistakes, as new to BBing, and indeed the Cornell server list has been invaluable. In as you say, what not to do, yet also in emotional sustenance from feeling not alone in the effort. I have not set up with yahoo yet, but plan to this weekend. Saying au revoir to the Cornell service may also be saying hello to a renewed level of BBing interaction. On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Mary Roen wrote: > Hi, > > I echo the sentiments of everyone else who has learned so much from this > list. I have made about every mistake imaginable in putting up nest boxes. > There is perhaps not one right way, but there are a lot of wrong ways! I > have improved my fledging rate dramatically with tips from all the wonderful > people who have shared their knowledge and experience with me here. Thank > you all and Cornell! I have moved over to Yahoo and hope to see all of you > there as well. Even though we must say good-bye to Bluebird-L we don't have > to say good-bye to each other. > > Mary Roen, River Falls, WI > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more. > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Farewell to Bluebird-L From: Mary Roen <mbroen AT hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:19:36 -0500 Hi, I echo the sentiments of everyone else who has learned so much from this list. I have made about every mistake imaginable in putting up nest boxes. There is perhaps not one right way, but there are a lot of wrong ways! I have improved my fledging rate dramatically with tips from all the wonderful people who have shared their knowledge and experience with me here. Thank you all and Cornell! I have moved over to Yahoo and hope to see all of you there as well. Even though we must say good-bye to Bluebird-L we don't have to say good-bye to each other. Mary Roen, River Falls, WI _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Thanks, Cornell From: Carla Caretto <ccaretto AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:17:49 -0400 What???? I just subscribed today!!!! Please don't go! Carla Metamora, MI On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, wrote: > I join in with all the others saying "Fare Thee Well" to Cornell. I > can't even remember how I first stumbled across this group and signed on, > but it was a lucky day indeed. I've learned so much, and shared with others > what I am learning. The ripples in the pond are surely spreading. > > And besides the ripples are the friendships and connections I've made here > on line, and which seem to be continuing on the Yahoo group. > > Thanks, Cornell! Your list "served" far more than folks there may have > ever imagined. > > Carla Hill > N of Atlanta GA > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Wings of Blue From: "Kathleen Arnold" <koscharn AT suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:11:16 -0500 As a last post to Bluebird-L, I thought I would share this poem again. I wrote it seven years ago and shared it with the list, but I know it will be new to some of you. Enjoy! Wings of Blue On a gloomy day I hear a call, And a bluebird flies into view, So soon I feel my spirits lift, Borne upward on wings of blue. Now he claims a sturdy nestbox, That one whose plans I drew, And before long entices a pretty young bird With a flash of those wings of blue. As days pass, I find a treasure indeed, Five little eggs so new. In a few short weeks they will carry life's dreams Aloft on wings of blue. Year after year I watch that pair; Each season my hopes renew, As again I see life hopes and dreams Carried skyward on wings of blue. Old Mr. Bluebird, I saw that young male Take the nestbox away from you, And now he will catch a pretty bird's eye, With a wave of those wings so blue. So soon you'll soar through heaven's gates- Please take my prayers with you! And when at last I enter there, I'll be watching for wings of blue. With five little eggs in the nestbox again, The cycle begins anew, As life's hopes and wishes are carried with mine, Ever upward on wings of blue. Kate Arnold 2/8/03 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thanks, Cornell From: <chill55 AT peoplepc.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:00:08 -0400 I join in with all the others saying "Fare Thee Well" to Cornell. I can't even remember how I first stumbled across this group and signed on, but it was a lucky day indeed. I've learned so much, and shared with others what I am learning. The ripples in the pond are surely spreading. And besides the ripples are the friendships and connections I've made here on line, and which seem to be continuing on the Yahoo group. Thanks, Cornell! Your list "served" far more than folks there may have ever imagined. Carla Hill N of Atlanta GA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Fond Farewell From: "Shawn" <shawnee4 AT charter.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:17:27 -0400 I only knew you 6 years, but you were helpful! I know I will see most of you on Facebook or Yahoo! Five new EABL fledged the 16 at 16 days old! Shawn in Sevierville, TN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye and a repeat offer From: "Bob Walshaw" <walshaw1 AT cox.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:04:32 -0500 Goodbye all and thanks. It has been a great ride. And thanks to Cornell in spite of my complaints about the timing! To repeat, the free 20 page Bluebird book will still be available to anyone who sends their mailing address to me at walshaw1 AT cox.net and I will answer calls for information and help at that address. The Oklahoma Bluebird Society has made a donation to the book program and with a bit more help it appears that I will be able to continue the free program at least through 2011. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thanks to Cornell From: "Kathleen Arnold" <koscharn AT suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:54:48 -0500 I found Bluebird-L shortly after becoming a bluebird monitor, and it has helped me immensely. I have enjoyed the wealth of information shared by everyone, and I treasure some of the friends that I have acquired, some of whom I haven't even met yet! Thank you, Cornell, for hosting Bluebird-L. And thanks to everyone who has participated over the years. Hopefully I will see you on Yahoo when I sign up. Kate Arnold Paris, TX, 100 mi NE of Dallas 33.6853N 95.6293W *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye Bluebird-L From: John Schuster <wildwing AT sonic.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:44:26 -0700 Dear Friends, It is difficult to put into words how valuable Bluebird L was to me, and to those of us who participated, sharing our collective knowledge for the betterment of native cavity nesting avian, so I wish Cornell, and fellow Bluebirders, who I’ve enjoyed over the years… “May the Bluebird of happiness always rest on your shoulder.” Cheers and as always... Happy Bluebird Trails To You, John Schuster, Owner / Operator Wild Wing Company 1179 Debbie Hill Road Cotati, CA 94931-9604, USA PH: (707) 795-4440 MOBILE: (707) 327-8505 E-MAIL: john AT wildwingco.com WEB: http://www.wildwingco.com/ *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Cornell/Happy Trails to YOU!!! From: Wick Ann <jwick AT tds.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:35:08 -0500 I have now attempted to post the following HAPPY TRAILS message to Bluebird-L twice in the past hour. It is not posting, so here goes attempt #3! ~Ann Wick I certainly find this to be a sad day. I remember as if it were yesterday being present at the North American Bluebird Society Board meeting where the inception of Bluebird-L was first announced. I could not wait to sign up and have been a member since the beginning. My posts were few and far between, thanks to Keith chiming in regularly, writing what I might have posted, written in "oh so much better form!" I truly hope everyone who loves and cares for bluebirds as much I do will migrate to the yahoo Bluebird Monitor's or the Facebook Group. It takes some effort to get on board if you're not computer savvy, but I believe it will be well worth the effort. Group Email Addresses Subscribe: BluebirdMonitors-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com Post message: BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: BluebirdMonitors-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com List owner: BluebirdMonitors-owner AT yahoogroups.com Bluebird-L has allowed us to connect in a timely way to other "Bluebirders" all over and for providing that forum, I heartily applaud the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. Happy Bluebirding!!! As Roy Rogers and Dale Evans would have sung: HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU...... Ann Wick Black Earth, WI (20 miles west of Madison, WI) (Bluebird Monitor and Bander) *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: End of Bluebird-L Happy Trails to YOU!!! From: Wick Ann <jwick AT tds.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:13:41 -0500 I certainly find this to be a sad day. I remember as if it were yesterday being present at the North American Bluebird Society Board meeting where the inception of Bluebird-L was first announced. I could not wait to sign up and have been a member since the beginning. My posts were few and far between, thanks to Keith chiming in regularly, writing what I might have posted, written in "oh so much better form!" I truly hope everyone who loves and cares for bluebirds as much I do will migrate to the yahoo Bluebird Monitor's or the Facebook Group. It takes some effort to get on board if you're not computer savvy, but I believe it will be well worth the effort. Group Email Addresses Subscribe: BluebirdMonitors-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com Post message: BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: BluebirdMonitors-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com List owner: BluebirdMonitors-owner AT yahoogroups.com Bluebird-L has allowed us to connect in a timely way to other "Bluebirders" all over and for providing that forum, I heartily applaud the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. Happy Bluebirding!!! As Roy Rogers and Dale Evans would have sung: HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU...... Ann Wick Black Earth, WI (20 miles west of Madison, WI) (Bluebird Monitor and Bander) *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Fw: Bluebird-L the last ten years From: "kingston" <kingston AT cstone.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:22:41 -0400 Well it's time to move on. Over at BMG we already have 110 Members; 262 email messages. I'm positive that the bluebirds are thankful of what we all did and have had much success because of what we discussed and practiced these past many years. Just wanted to share with you some of the first messages that I have archived since I joined the Cornell's Bluebird_L--- back in 1998. Some eleven and half years ago. Ron Kingston, Charlottesville VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Cornell University Mailing List Server To: kingston AT cstone.net Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:51 PM Subject: SUBSCRIBE BLUEBIRD-L RON KINGSTON Welcome! You are now a subscriber to the BLUEBIRD-L mailing list. Please save this message for future reference, because it contains information you will need on managing your list subscription and for obtaining documentation and assistance. Your subscription address ------------------------- Your subscription address for this list has been recorded as: kingston AT cstone.net To be recognized as a valid subscriber, you must send all your postings and administrative commands from that address. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Williams To: BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:55 PM Subject: membership We close 1998 with 98 members on BLUEBIRD-L. Spread the word about the net. Happy New Year. Good birding. Share your birds and adventures. Jim Williams Burnett County, Wisconsin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Begin Included Message ----- From twojays AT win.bright.net Tue Nov 24 12:42:00 1998 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:47:22 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: twojays AT bucky.win.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: BernerKL AT Cobleskill.edu, CLENO AT aol.com, nabluebird AT aol.com, mpearman AT mail.ccinet.ab.ca, aripley AT mail.digiweb.com, scriv001 AT maroon.tc.umn.edu, ehann84266 AT aol.com, bluebird AT mnsinc.com, aharr AT telusplanet.net, emdiev AT clover.net, cjmd AT swls.org, bbcdf AT hotmail.com, blubrdbob AT prodigy.net, shiels AT airmail.net, dsheldonjr AT hotmail.com, bstinson AT webtv.net, bluebird11 AT juno.com, tomschaef AT juno.com, rekings AT ngic.osis.gov, Warbler5 AT aol.com From: twojays AT win.bright.net (Jim Williams) Subject: bluebird net up and running Content-Length: 697 The new e-mail network for persons interested in bluebirds and other North American cavity nesters is up and running. Many thanks to Paul Allen and all of the people at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology for their fast and most helpful work on this. To subscribe send a message to listproc AT cornell.edu containing a single line of text SUBSCRIBE BLUEBIRD-L your name as: SUBSCRIBE BLUEBIRD-L Jim Williams -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baffle plans: copy/paste KINGSTON STOVEPIPE PREDATOR GUARD - http://www.nabluebirdsociety.org/predatorcontrol.htm ; and http://audubon-omaha.org/bbbox/nabs/rk1.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Kridler To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu ; bluebirds Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:05 AM Subject: Bluebird-L the last ten years Once AGAIN I want to thank Cornell for providing Bluebird-L and sharing so MANY more of their research projects with members of this list over the years. IShawn Kridler <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Cornell From: "Bob Walshaw" <walshaw1 AT cox.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:10:58 -0500 I can agree with this, but the timing in the middle of the nesting season when so many people need help is hard to forgive. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: KCBSP AT aol.com To: walshaw1 AT cox.net ; BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu Cc: cacooper AT vt.edu Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Cornell Thank you for all the years of Bluebird-L. Thank you for coming to Pennsylvania Dr. Caren Cooper!! I really enjoyed the data logger study and everything you do for the birds. I can't thank you enough You all are wonderful. I applaud you!! Kathy Clark, New Cumberland, PA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye and Thanks From: "Shari Kastner" <smk AT teamv.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:02:48 -0700 To Cornell and everyone that has helped me throughout the past 5 years or so: THANK YOU! I absolutely could not have done it without you. I feel so blessed that I was part of this group. You helped so willingly and truly cared about what was happening with each and every predicament that we inquired about. It has been a great learning experience and I owe my very good bluebird friends in my hometown to this list; you gave me the knowledge to reach out to other birders. And Cornell, thanks for putting up with us in our moments of temporary insanity where we would bicker with each other about what is the best solution. You knew we were really trying to help and somehow lost our way. I'll remember you fondly, Shari in New Berlin, WI *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: End of Bluebird-L Happy Trails to YOU!!! From: Wick Ann <jwick AT tds.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:48:19 -0500 I certainly find this to be a sad day. I remember as if it were yesterday being present at the North American Bluebird Society Board meeting where the inception of Bluebird-L was first announced. I could not wait to sign up and have been a member since the beginning. My posts were few and far between, thanks to Keith chiming in regularly, writing what I might have posted, written in "oh so much better form!" I truly hope everyone who loves and cares for bluebirds as much I do will migrate to the yahoo Bluebird Monitor's or the Facebook Group. It takes some effort to get on board if you're not computer savvy, but I believe it will be well worth the effort. Group Email Addresses Subscribe: BluebirdMonitors-subscribe AT yahoogroups.com Post message: BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: BluebirdMonitors-unsubscribe AT yahoogroups.com List owner: BluebirdMonitors-owner AT yahoogroups.com Bluebird-L has allowed us to connect in a timely way to other "Bluebirders" all over and for providing that forum, I heartily applaud the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. Happy Bluebirding!!! As Roy Rogers and Dale Evans would have sung: HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU...... Ann Wick Black Earth, WI (20 miles west of Madison, WI) (Bluebird Monitor and Bander) *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Appreciation and Gratitude From: Bluebyrder AT aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:39:19 EDT Thank you Cornell for providing us with a vehicle that brought us all together for the purpose of exchanging Bluebird information, only it turned out to be so much more..... We found friends and partnerships. On our way to trying to make things better for Bluebirds and other native cavity nesters, you also gave us the opportunity to make this world a little better place for our fellow human beings. The ripple effects will be felt for a long time to come. You Cornell, have help contribute to the greater good in this world. Job well done! Hope to see as many people as possible over on the new Yahoo group or Facebook. To those who choose not to move on for whatever reason.....keep up the good work! With appreciation and gratitude, Diane Barbin Mechanicsburg, PA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thank You. From: drdodson <drdodson AT aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:23:18 -0500 I would like to thank everyone on the list for being there for me as I became involved with bluebirding.      My family and I moved from a 1 acre lot to a 50 acre farm 6 years ago.      That is when I decided to put up some "bird houses".    I bought 10 of them and put them up on telephone poles and trees.    That was my first of innumerable mistakes.     I found Keith's book online and ordered a copy.    I read it, cussed a bit, and then went out and moved my "nest boxes".     I also found Bluebird L and it has been a wonderful resource for me.     I really appreciate all of the time that Keith and others put into this, and hope that I will have ongoing access to their experience and wisdom.    Bet Zimmerman and her Sialis site has also been a greatly appreciated resource.    I consider Sialis to be a masterpiece of information.    Steve and Regina Garr have helped me both online and in person.      I should probably go on with names, but have limited time this morning and can not.    The point I am trying to make is that the true treasure of this "list"   is the people who participate in it and their shared experiences.      I hope that will continue in various other formats.          I hope I can, over time, help others the way you all have helped me.   So far, I feel as if I have taken far more than I have given.    Thanks again for being there for me.     Jack Dodson  Jefferson City, Missouri  *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Thank you all From: theresa <bow.echo.ranch AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:16:37 -0400 Great list. Thanks much. I have learned everything in ten years here and now have a trail of 17 boxes and successfully fledge dozens of BBs every year. -theresa SW Michigan *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye From: "Paula Ziebarth" <paulaz AT columbus.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:02:52 -0400 I have learned so much over the years from Bluebird-L and want to thank Cornell for hosting it all these years. It is like losing a good friend, but I have migrated on over to The Bluebird Monitors Group on Yahoo. For those who have not done so PLEASE join us there. The ability to post photos there is a nice attribute and I just posted the cutest baby pictures of an ETTI chick that decided to leave his nestbox a little too soon for my liking. He is back in the box with his siblings right now, but have to say he is the cutest thing ever! Paula Z Powell (Central) Ohio *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thank you! From: bill-chris AT comcast.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:58:47 +0000 (UTC) It's been a wonderful education being on this list and to meet you all... I remember it was Bob Walshaw who answered my very first question and who got me so intrigued in BlueBirds that it changed my life..thank you Bob! My best wishes and thanks to everyone, for the conversation, the answers, the thoughts, the daily chat and all the wonderful knowledge you have shared.. Christine McCulloch Harleysville PA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thank you all From: ckanchor AT comcast.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Cornell for hosting Bluebird-L for so many years and providing such an excellent forum for monitors to learn from. And thank you to so many on the "list" who have so generously taken their time to share their knowledge and experience. I don't know that I would still be a monitor if it wasn't for you all. Good luck to everyone and to Cornell and their continuing endeavors to help cavity nesters and all other birds. Charlene Anchor E C Illinois *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Bluebird-L From: "linyl" <linyl AT windstream.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:47:46 -0400 Don't know what I would have done without this list. Since 1993, when we had a terrible blizzard here in Ga., I found frozen bluebirds after it all melted. That's when I started looking to the sky thus realizing my limited knowledge of birds. Set up bird houses and started running into problems that were beyond my knowledge. During computer searches, I found Bluebird-L, thus launching me into a total surround of knowledgeable folks. Thanks to all contributors and Cornell for this experience in my life! Linda in Extreme NW GA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Thank You! From: ehderry AT aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:21:48 -0400 A great big THANK YOU to Cornell and the Lab of Ornithology for their years of service to the list members of Bluebird-L and to the cavity nesters of North America. What a great service you have provided for all of us. It is hard for us to move on, but the group will survive in another format(s). Thank you Tina Phillips for your monitoring services over the years and others that preceded and followed in Tina's role. I came on this list as newbie about 10 years ago and, as a result of this list and the members who have provided so much information to me, I have had a successful bluebird trail for 7 or 8 years and can present an informative program on bluebirds. Thank you to the Bluebird-L providers and to all of the members of Bluebird-L for teaching us all!. I hope to see many of you on Yahoo (thanks Mike for setting the group up) and at NABS conferences. Judy Derry Lockport NY *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird-L the last ten years From: "Gail Storm" <paws4fun AT aeroinc.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:10:24 -0500 Bye old friend, thanks for having me. I have learned more in the last couple years, than I had in the prior 15 before I found you. Thanks for helping to educate this farm gal from the boonies. Gail Storm NW IL on the WI border Orangeville, IL 61060 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye! From: karis718 AT bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:28:48 +0000 Goodbye All! I have enjoyed my two years here on the list and have learned loads. I won't be joining the Yahoo group because every time I have been a part of one, I've ended up getting a lot of spam. I will see some of you on Facebook though. Good luck to all! Karis Jacobstein Suwanee, GA Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye From: "John Hibbard" <jlhibbard1 AT comcast.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:12:35 -0500 Goodbye to all my fellow blue lovers...I will miss every email I have recieved from you all. I have read them faithfully and learned something new daily. Good luck to everyone! Terri Hibbard Hudson Wi. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Bluebird-L the last ten years From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:05:26 -0500 Once AGAIN I want to thank Cornell for providing Bluebird-L and sharing so MANY more of their research projects with members of this list over the years. I was picked off of Bluebird-L to help with The Bluebird Monitor's Guide and MANY of the photographers and the short stories on various folks in that book were either from this birding list or folks who I knew personally in the bluebird world. This book was put together totally by e-mails! For two years I got up at 5 AM and read through all the e-mails containing various information from the day before and I had to back up or locate research to verify nearly everything in the book. Much of this was through a complex network of people who new someone who new who or what we were looking for:-)) Folks from NABS, Cornell and I would exchange information through Jack Griggs until we located the "world's experts" or the latest research at the time in all aspects covered in this book. We beat some of these topics to DEATH before coming to a TRUCE. I never actually met Jack or Cynthia or some of the other folks face to face that are mentioned except through their e-mails. Through Bluebird-L members many of us have worked on Blow Fly Research with Dr. Terry Whitworth and other graduate students with their research papers. Kathy Clark mentioned the temperature data loggers in bluebird nests. NOW THAT was truly mind boggling research and cutting edge technology. Bet Zimmerman's web page was inspired by folks on Bluebird-L. WHAT a LABOR of LOVE and DEVOTION she has put together in ONE place. She is OFF the charts in my opinion. WAY up there on a pedestal!!!:-)) Folks from Bluebird-L have powered the nest watch and pushed data collection to the max. MANY of the state bluebird groups get information or ideas for news letter articles from Bluebird-L and these get passed on to folks who NEVER heard of Bluebird-L. There is even a website "Clone" of Bluebird-L that collects and posts and archives for 30 days EVERY post that comes to this list! Most of all, Bluebird-L has allowed us to becomes "friends and neighbors" without ever meeting. We share a common bond of loving and caring for some of God's most beautiful Creations! For the last ten years I have kept a folder with some of the "best" posts or some that I REALLY did INTEND to respond to that now has 20,925 posts in it. I normally DELETE average posts AFTER I answered them or someone else answers them. So many of these posts are now from REALLY dear friends that have now passed away. As I scan through these old posts from time to time I wonder where some of them are now today! I REALLY miss posts from Maynard Summer! It was exciting meeting him personally at NABS meetings. Many of the folks over the years blew in with a "warm south breeze" and landed on the list for a day or two and then drifted off just like so many migrating birds that pass through our yards. Now you see them next minute they are gone. What did we do wrong with them? Then there are so many others that became residents and have shared their beauty and their songs and their poems with the list year in and year out. Ahh so many shared memories, shared laughter and yes we have often cried together as tragedy is the ever present shadow of life in all creatures. May we all be blessed as our journey in life moves on to another day. Best wishes to all! Keith, Sandy and Shawn Kridler *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye BBL From: "Dottie" <yumyumkatts AT voyager.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:03:26 -0400 I will miss the List. Thanks Cornell for hosting BBL. Dottie, Hickory Hollow Brown County, Indiana (50 miles south of Indianapolis) Lat: 39.371N Lon: 86.261W Zone 5 Elevation: 680 ft *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: more ? about egg shells From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:04:33 -0500 Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas Jill asked if shells from boiled eggs need to be re-cooked before feeding to the wild birds. My personal opinion about sterilizing commercial chicken egg shells would be to kill off strains of salmonella, E. Coli or other pathogens/diseases that "might" be coming inside these eggs from a distant state or country. For example right now Mt. Pleasant, Texas ships 80,000 pounds of fresh eggs EVERY DAY to Mexico since they cannot raise enough chickens or eggs to feed themselves. That is two 18 wheeler truck loads of eggs. Other USA companies ship LOTS more eggs and chicken to Mexico. USA also exports lots of eggs and chicken to Canada and Russia. Eggs and chickens are constantly checked for all sorts of dangerous and or contagious diseases. In reality, commercial flocks of egg laying hens are constantly checked for diseases and all of the eggs from a commercial operation are run through bleach or other chemical sanitizing washes to kill off any pathogens on the OUTSIDE of egg shells. It would be REALLY rare to have a disease show up in the USA right now in commercial chicken eggs that wild birds are already not carrying or immune to. Remember many of our wild bird species spend the winter down south and some even winter over in Australia. These birds have already been exposed to most of these diseases from all over the world as migration patterns overlap in some species. As SOON as you put sterilized egg shells out on the ground or in a used bird feeder, these shells will begin picking up germs and pathogens AGAIN! BUT the big difference, and it IS big, is that your local birds will ALREADY be immune to them or they are already picking up these same germs in their water, food and even the soil and nesting materials they pick up. Don't forget that moisture in the boiled eggs and the membrane and egg white parts will begin to collect spores and grow "stuff". I really like to put out egg shells on our driveway placed in the sunny areas. But a Texas driveway in summer gets pretty hot and this helps cook the moisture out of the membrane still attached to the eggs. UV light waves might kill some pathogens. Birds are pretty good evidently at tasting or detecting foods that are dangerous to them. Don't forget that many of these female birds actually eat their own egg shells as their young hatch out. OH did you know that the government of Brazil now owns and operates the largest poultry, cattle and hog processing complexes in the USA? Their "company" is JBS and Brazil exports most of the chicken and eggs consumed in Europe. Diseases and pathogens in birds can easily be spread world wide in a matter of days with modern shipping methods. KK *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Cowbird Solution From: Tina Mitchell <ztsipapu AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:01:53 -0600 Tina Mitchell Coaldale, CO Hi, Jack-- Since you've made your move, these answers may be moot. But in case others are wondering... 1. Just about anything anyone who manages a nest box with a native migratory species does (as opposed to simply monitors one) goes against the LETTER of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Things like swapping out a wet nest, taking out an unhatched egg, moving a nest to remove a blowfly larva infestation, whatever--all are forbidden by the MBTA. 2. Raising a migratory species nestling is also against the MBTA, unless you have both state and Federal permits to do so. 3. I can't speak for any other state. But in CO, the odds of detection--let alone prosecution--for any of this are very low. The Division of Wildlife (our state agency in charge of this stuff) and USFWS (the enforcers of the MBTA, under whom the DOW operates) have much bigger fish to fry than to go after individual nest box monitors. However, if someone had an ax to grind, or if something truly egregious occurred, or if you were very public about doing something against the MBTA, those agencies would be completely within their rights to attempt to gather evidence and prosecute someone going against the MBTA. In CO, DOW is completely funded by monies gathered from hunting/fishing licenses--trout, bear, elk, deer, pronghorn, waterfowl, gamebirds... Most of the wildlife officers have issues surrounding those species as their first and foremost concerns because those species are income-generating. However, if someone wanted to kick up a fuss, they'd have to enforce the MBTA. Last summer, the DOW officers here used the MBTA to prosecute a teenager who "kidnapped" about 50 baby Cliff Swallows from several bridges and tried to raise them himself. I wasn't very involved in the case, except to try to save the nestlings. But I personally think the kid was psychologically impaired rather than criminally intentioned. (not an official diagnosis, just an opinion) But the case got a lot of newspaper attention and DOW felt they had to act. Such cases are extremely rare here, though. As kind of an "officer of the court," though, I do feel compelled to remind folks that Brown-headed Cowbirds are indeed protected under the MBTA. As you suggested, Jack, the law was designed to protect seriously endangered species. That's the SPIRIT of the law. But rather than try to rank order which species are worthy of protection and which aren't, lawmakers just declared most native migratory species to be covered. That's the LETTER of the law. One acts on one's own conscience. But you might want to take a serious look at what you're posting on your blog. You never know what might set someone off. And the Internet never forgets. Tina "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Through the Looking Glass. http://sipapu.wordpress.com/ (information about central Colorado's pinyon/juniper habitat) http://galapagos2009.wordpress.com/ (a detailed trip report & photos about our 2009 trip to Ecuador & the Galápagos Islands) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:24:23 -0500 Subject: Cowbird Solution From: drdodson AT aol.com To: BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu; BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com Well, I made a decision and took action. I attached a second Gilbertson Box to the original and put the Cowbird in one and left the PROW in the other. I fed him a few mealworms to buy him some time and put more mealworms a little bit away to help the parents out. We will see what happens. People have apparently had difficulty seeing the pictures. This link should take you straight to the post http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300-2-first-attempt-of-2010/ If that does not work you just go to www.dodsonfarm.wordpress.com and then either scroll down or go to either "archives" or "nesting attempts" to get to the post. There ! are only 4 posts on the blog at this point. Thanks for all of your help. Jack Dodson _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: Chad Sarles <wsarles AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:26:24 -0400 The Infrared LEDs are behind glass. No heat gets through to the bluebird box. Trust me. I'd be more concerned from the heat our sun produces. 90 degrees today in central Indiana. -Chad Brownsburg, Indiana.. where my tomatoes and beans said today, "Let's do this thing". On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bet Zimmerman wrote: > Interesting…. I know that LEDS put out a lot LESS heat than incandescent > bulbs, but do they NOT put out detectable heat? See below from Wikipedia > (not necessarily the world’s most reliable source) > > > > Infrared radiation can be used as a deliberate heating source. For example > it is used in infrared saunasto heat the occupants, and also to remove ice from the wings of aircraft ( > de-icing ). FIR is also gaining > popularity as a safe method of natural health care & physiotherapy. Far > infrared thermometric therapy garments use thermal technology to provide > compressive support and healing warmth to assist symptom control for > arthritis, injury & pain. Infrared can be used in cooking and heating food > as it predominantly heats the opaque, absorbent objects, rather than the air > around them. > > Infrared heating is also becoming more popular in industrial manufacturing > processes, e.g. curing of coatings, forming of plastics, annealing, plastic > welding, print drying. In these applications, infrared heaters replace > convection ovens and contact heating. Efficiency is achieved by matching the > wavelength of the infrared heater to the absorption characteristics of the > material. > > > > > > *From:* Chad Sarles [mailto:wsarles AT gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:10 PM > *To:* Keith Kridler > *Cc:* ckanchor AT comcast.net; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu; ezdz AT charter.net > *Subject:* Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) > > > > Keith is correct. I am using 6 low power infrared LEDs which are do not put > out visible light. The heat that is put off is not detectable. LEDs are very > efficient in this respect. From what I understand, birds cannot see IR > light, although some can detect UV. > > I have a bit of information on the ustream page that explains this set up. > I have promised to put together a tutorial on how I set up the cam. Keep an > eye out for it. > > Bet - Yes, I have already joined the Yahoo group, so I'm prepared for the > death of bluebird-l. Thanks! > > -Chad > Brownsburg, Indiana > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Kridler < > txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> wrote: > > Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" light > from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use red > lens covers. > > > > Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units > as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the > video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light > source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough > natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of > the rainbow. > > > > I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is > putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt > equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a > compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. > > > > I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can > detect the infrared wave lengths of light. > > > > We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. > Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting > and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls > and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It > is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to > nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot > see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at > night. > > > > I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but > light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to > predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out > roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business > districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often > choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up > all night. > > > > Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for > the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate > on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our > artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last > night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas > > > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Cornell From: KCBSP AT aol.com Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:21:08 EDT Thank you for all the years of Bluebird-L. Thank you for coming to Pennsylvania Dr. Caren Cooper!! I really enjoyed the data logger study and everything you do for the birds. I can't thank you enough You all are wonderful. I applaud you!! Kathy Clark, New Cumberland, PA *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Cowbird Solution From: drdodson <drdodson AT aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:24:23 -0500 Well, I made a decision and took action.     I attached a second Gilbertson Box to the original and put the Cowbird in one and left the PROW in the other.     I fed him a few mealworms to buy him some time and put more mealworms a little bit away to help the parents out.      We will see what happens.     People have apparently had difficulty seeing the pictures.    This link should take you straight to the post http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300-2-first-attempt-of-2010/ If that does not work you just go to www.dodsonfarm.wordpress.com    and then either scroll down or go to either "archives"   or  "nesting attempts"  to get to the post.    There are only 4 posts on the blog at this point.     Thanks for all of your help.  Jack Dodson  *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Paula Ziebarth" <paulaz AT columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:43:59 -0400 Mike, I know small battery operated alarm clocks have LED digital light displays. I know for a fact that you can get enough wattage from several lemons, zinc washers, and pennies wired together to light it up. No detectable heat at all that I can tell. Paula Z ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Leonard To: Bet Zimmerman Cc: BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com ; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) LEDs are usually measured in milliwatts. The heaters described on those pages are usually measured in watts, usually many hundreds or even thousands of watts. That's .001 vs 1000.00+ or around 1,000,000 times less wattage. If you have any LEDs in your home, you could touch them and I would bet that you wouldn't be able to tell the temperature difference between the LED and whatever is housing it (cable/dsl modem for example). The sun beating down on the box all day is going to create much more heat in the box than the LEDs ever will. Even at night, the residual radiant heat from sunshine will be hotter than the LEDs. Mike From: Bet Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:19 PM To: 'Chad Sarles' ; 'Keith Kridler' Cc: ckanchor AT comcast.net ; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Interesting.. I know that LEDS put out a lot LESS heat than incandescent bulbs, but do they NOT put out detectable heat? See below from Wikipedia (not necessarily the world's most reliable source) Infrared radiation can be used as a deliberate heating source. For example it is used in infrared saunas to heat the occupants, and also to remove ice from the wings of aircraft (de-icing). FIR is also gaining popularity as a safe method of natural health care & physiotherapy. Far infrared thermometric therapy garments use thermal technology to provide compressive support and healing warmth to assist symptom control for arthritis, injury & pain. Infrared can be used in cooking and heating food as it predominantly heats the opaque, absorbent objects, rather than the air around them. Infrared heating is also becoming more popular in industrial manufacturing processes, e.g. curing of coatings, forming of plastics, annealing, plastic welding, print drying. In these applications, infrared heaters replace convection ovens and contact heating. Efficiency is achieved by matching the wavelength of the infrared heater to the absorption characteristics of the material. From: Chad Sarles [mailto:wsarles AT gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:10 PM To: Keith Kridler Cc: ckanchor AT comcast.net; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu; ezdz AT charter.net Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Keith is correct. I am using 6 low power infrared LEDs which are do not put out visible light. The heat that is put off is not detectable. LEDs are very efficient in this respect. From what I understand, birds cannot see IR light, although some can detect UV. I have a bit of information on the ustream page that explains this set up. I have promised to put together a tutorial on how I set up the cam. Keep an eye out for it. Bet - Yes, I have already joined the Yahoo group, so I'm prepared for the death of bluebird-l. Thanks! -Chad Brownsburg, Indiana On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Kridler wrote: Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" light from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use red lens covers. Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of the rainbow. I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can detect the infrared wave lengths of light. We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at night. I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up all night. Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Dottie" <yumyumkatts AT voyager.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:50:49 -0400 At Wilbur By The Sea, Florida, they don’t use lights on fishing piers at night due to the sea turtles who lay their eggs there on the beach. The fishing piers close at 10pm. They say the lights bother the turtles. Information about their turtles is on their website. Dottie, Hickory Hollow   Brown County, Indiana      (50 miles south of Indianapolis) Lat: 39.371N  Lon: 86.261W  Zone 5  Elevation:  680 ft -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5904169-3587711 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5904169-3587711 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bet Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:34 AM To: ckanchor AT comcast.net; bluebird-l AT list.cornell.edu Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) The picture color is great – most are B&W.  Actually Charlene and Chad, I was wondering about the heat from the lights – is there enough ventilation? Nighttime lighting of regular (not sure about infrared) lights DOES affect animal biorhythms – see http://data.nextrionet.com/site/idsa/is187.pdf (linked from an article I did on exterior light pollution at http://www.ourbetternature.org/lightpollution.htm) Chad, are you moving over to the Yahoo Group?  Bluebird_L ends Friday.  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/BluebirdMonitors/ Bet from CT From: ckanchor AT comcast.net [mailto:ckanchor AT comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello Chad, Enjoy seeing your pictures. But, being that my nature is to be a worrier, I can't help but wonder about the lights being on all night.  Is that how it is or do you turn them off at some point? I don't know how bright the lights are but I would be concerned about keeping the female awake. She probably would turn the eggs even if the box was darker but could the extra light prevent her from sleeping at other times?  I really don't know the answer to these questions. Maybe it doesn't matter and maybe someone like Keith (we always put it on your shoulders Keith!) would know. Also, I realize that birds are watched by various nest cams but I don't know if the lights are on all night or not. I just assumed that at some point they get turned off. Another motivation for my asking this question (besides my need to worry :-)) is something I read. It was an article which said that excessively bright lights at night seem to interfere with the nesting of some birds. Your lights may not be bright enough to be excessive.  Anyway, I hope someone else knows more about this than me. Charlene Anchor E C Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Sarles To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Sent: Wed, 26 May 2010 05:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard.  Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now.  There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network.  One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night!  I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma.  She is a light sleeper!  She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it.  Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Moving a cowbird chick From: drdodson <drdodson AT aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:00:07 -0500 Thanks to everyone for all of the advice regarding my Cowbird chick in the prothonotary warbler nest.    I am weighing my options.     Several people have told me off list to move the cowbird chick.      I am certainly willing to do that, but also want to stay within legal bounds (especially since I am documenting my actions so publicly).      You all are here to provide advice and support regarding monitoring, not legal advice, but am I breaking the law if I move this chick?     If so, is anyone really going to come after me and put me in jail or fine me?     My intent is to increase the chance of survival for a relatively rare native bird at the expense of an extremely common native bird.       Right now,  the bluebird nests I have to choose from for a potential transplant are either about ready to fledge or still waiting for eggs to hatch.      I have several house wren nests with eggs.    What might happen if I put him in one of those boxes?      I have some nests with black capped chickadee's bigger than the cowbird chick, but really do not want to risk messing up their nests.      I have also thought about removing him and trying to raise him at home, with the help of my kids who are out of school and could help during the day while I am at work.      This is probably no more legal than moving it.      Does anyone have any experience with the enforcement of law in this area.   I really thought the intent of the law was to prevent use of these birds for commercial gain at the expense of the bird populations.      Jack Dodson   *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Mike Leonard" <mleonard AT morrisbb.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:57:08 -0400 LEDs are usually measured in milliwatts. The heaters described on those pages are usually measured in watts, usually many hundreds or even thousands of watts. That's .001 vs 1000.00+ or around 1,000,000 times less wattage. If you have any LEDs in your home, you could touch them and I would bet that you wouldn't be able to tell the temperature difference between the LED and whatever is housing it (cable/dsl modem for example). The sun beating down on the box all day is going to create much more heat in the box than the LEDs ever will. Even at night, the residual radiant heat from sunshine will be hotter than the LEDs. Mike From: Bet Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:19 PM To: 'Chad Sarles' ; 'Keith Kridler' Cc: ckanchor AT comcast.net ; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Interesting.. I know that LEDS put out a lot LESS heat than incandescent bulbs, but do they NOT put out detectable heat? See below from Wikipedia (not necessarily the world's most reliable source) Infrared radiation can be used as a deliberate heating source. For example it is used in infrared saunas to heat the occupants, and also to remove ice from the wings of aircraft (de-icing). FIR is also gaining popularity as a safe method of natural health care & physiotherapy. Far infrared thermometric therapy garments use thermal technology to provide compressive support and healing warmth to assist symptom control for arthritis, injury & pain. Infrared can be used in cooking and heating food as it predominantly heats the opaque, absorbent objects, rather than the air around them. Infrared heating is also becoming more popular in industrial manufacturing processes, e.g. curing of coatings, forming of plastics, annealing, plastic welding, print drying. In these applications, infrared heaters replace convection ovens and contact heating. Efficiency is achieved by matching the wavelength of the infrared heater to the absorption characteristics of the material. From: Chad Sarles [mailto:wsarles AT gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:10 PM To: Keith Kridler Cc: ckanchor AT comcast.net; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu; ezdz AT charter.net Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Keith is correct. I am using 6 low power infrared LEDs which are do not put out visible light. The heat that is put off is not detectable. LEDs are very efficient in this respect. From what I understand, birds cannot see IR light, although some can detect UV. I have a bit of information on the ustream page that explains this set up. I have promised to put together a tutorial on how I set up the cam. Keep an eye out for it. Bet - Yes, I have already joined the Yahoo group, so I'm prepared for the death of bluebird-l. Thanks! -Chad Brownsburg, Indiana On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Kridler wrote: Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" light from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use red lens covers. Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of the rainbow. I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can detect the infrared wave lengths of light. We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at night. I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up all night. Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Bet Zimmerman" <ezdz AT charter.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:19:01 -0400 Interesting.. I know that LEDS put out a lot LESS heat than incandescent bulbs, but do they NOT put out detectable heat? See below from Wikipedia (not necessarily the world's most reliable source) Infrared radiation can be used as a deliberate heating source. For example it is used in infrared saunas to heat the occupants, and also to remove ice from the wings of aircraft (de-icing ). FIR is also gaining popularity as a safe method of natural health care & physiotherapy. Far infrared thermometric therapy garments use thermal technology to provide compressive support and healing warmth to assist symptom control for arthritis, injury & pain. Infrared can be used in cooking and heating food as it predominantly heats the opaque, absorbent objects, rather than the air around them. Infrared heating is also becoming more popular in industrial manufacturing processes, e.g. curing of coatings, forming of plastics, annealing, plastic welding, print drying. In these applications, infrared heaters replace convection ovens and contact heating. Efficiency is achieved by matching the wavelength of the infrared heater to the absorption characteristics of the material. From: Chad Sarles [mailto:wsarles AT gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:10 PM To: Keith Kridler Cc: ckanchor AT comcast.net; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu; ezdz AT charter.net Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Keith is correct. I am using 6 low power infrared LEDs which are do not put out visible light. The heat that is put off is not detectable. LEDs are very efficient in this respect. From what I understand, birds cannot see IR light, although some can detect UV. I have a bit of information on the ustream page that explains this set up. I have promised to put together a tutorial on how I set up the cam. Keep an eye out for it. Bet - Yes, I have already joined the Yahoo group, so I'm prepared for the death of bluebird-l. Thanks! -Chad Brownsburg, Indiana On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Kridler wrote: Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" light from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use red lens covers. Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of the rainbow. I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can detect the infrared wave lengths of light. We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at night. I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up all night. Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: Chad Sarles <wsarles AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:10:14 -0400 Keith is correct. I am using 6 low power infrared LEDs which are do not put out visible light. The heat that is put off is not detectable. LEDs are very efficient in this respect. From what I understand, birds cannot see IR light, although some can detect UV. I have a bit of information on the ustream page that explains this set up. I have promised to put together a tutorial on how I set up the cam. Keep an eye out for it. Bet - Yes, I have already joined the Yahoo group, so I'm prepared for the death of bluebird-l. Thanks! -Chad Brownsburg, Indiana On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Keith Kridler wrote: > Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" > light from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use > red lens covers. > > Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units > as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the > video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light > source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough > natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of > the rainbow. > > I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is > putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt > equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a > compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. > > I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can > detect the infrared wave lengths of light. > > We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. > Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting > and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls > and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It > is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to > nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot > see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at > night. > > I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but > light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to > predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out > roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business > districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often > choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up > all night. > > Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for > the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate > on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our > artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last > night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes From: "Bob Walshaw" <walshaw1 AT cox.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:18:07 -0500 I have always vote for not finishing them. It is true that they do not last as long, especially in areas with higher humidity, but they weather to a natural finish like tree bark. I have some that have been up for more than 15 years. They look as rough as a cob, but the birds love them. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrodewald" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes Is there an appropriate finish that can be applied to only the outside of a pine bluebird box that will help to prolong its field life? I realize many stains and finishes can be toxic, but I was curious to know if there are any recommendations out there for something that can be applied. Regards, J. Rodewald ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This email and any attachments are intended for use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Thank you for your cooperation. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes From: "Bruce Burdett" <blueburd AT myfairpoint.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:59:31 -0500 J. Rodenwald, I have never used anything but linseed il - boiled or raw - on the outside of my white pine houses. They darken, but they last forever. I re-coat them every year or two, if I can remember to. I've never used paint of any kind, or dowels. I use 7/8" pine, rough one side, with the rough side in for better claw-hold. I find the common 3/4" pine too flimsy for my likes, and too smooth, since it's planed on both sides. To each his own. Bruce Burdett, NH Bluebird Conspiracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrodewald" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes > Is there an appropriate finish that can be applied to only the outside of > a pine bluebird box that will help to prolong its field life? I realize > many stains and finishes can be toxic, but I was curious to know if there > are any recommendations out there for something that can be applied. > > Regards, > J. Rodewald > > > ________________________________ > Confidentiality Notice: This email and any attachments are intended for > use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or > proprietary information that is protected by law. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email and associated > documents in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > original. Thank you for your cooperation. > > *********************** > To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message > bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu > The body of the message is simply > leave > > More info on leaving e-lists: > http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html > > > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: "Finishing" pine bluebird boxes From: jrodewald <jrodewald AT NCOLONIE.ORG> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:39:51 -0400 Is there an appropriate finish that can be applied to only the outside of a pine bluebird box that will help to prolong its field life? I realize many stains and finishes can be toxic, but I was curious to know if there are any recommendations out there for something that can be applied. Regards, J. Rodewald ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This email and any attachments are intended for use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Thank you for your cooperation. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Big chick PROW or not? From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:42:42 -0500 I finally found Jack's photos on-line and YES this is a baby Brown Headed Cowbird. Notice that at just day three or four the Cowbird baby has it's eyes open. If you whistle or squeak you can get a shot of just how much higher up this bird will reach as compared to the warblers. While you are whistling or squeaking you can now move your finger over and near the cowbird baby and it should now be able to "go after" your finger as it is programmed to target and follow the adults coming to feed the nestlings thus getting most or all of the food. It all depends on how fast the adults can bring in food as to whether or not all of the young birds will starve except for the cowbird. The warblers will also have to stay out from under it's feet. Notice in these photos that the actual opening for the eye is fairly small BUT you can see the entire eyeball of these baby birds. If you look closely you will see that the size of their two eyes is actually going to be larger than their "bird brain". Humans on the other hand have relatively small sized eyes as compared to our brain size. I removed a baby cowbird like this one that was so much bigger than the baby bluebirds it was dumped in with and moved it to another bluebird nest with young larger than the baby cowbird. Three hours later the adult bluebirds had REMOVED this one baby cowbird so they recognized it was different from their chicks! Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Big chick PROW or not? From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:22:03 -0500 Bet has some photos I took of a Brown Headed Cowbird chick in a Carolina Wren nest a few years ago. This one happened to be in a Gilwood nestbox. Depending on the size of the female Brown Headed Cowbird I have had them remove bluebird eggs from nestboxes with 1&1/2" round entrance holes and then lay eggs in these boxes. One of the identifiers of the cowbird chick is the light or almost white colored down or fluff when just hatched. (Many other young bird species are also light colored!) The other is the bright crimson red well maybe Raspberry red lining to the inside of the mouth. The brighter the red color inside the mouth the more this is supposed to trigger the adults to feed this chick as compared to the rest of the chicks with an orange or yellow mouth lining. (Earlier this morning I mentioned Mammals don't see red light very well:-)) Also if you wait a few days the cowbird chick will be able to open it's eyes days ahead of the warbler chicks and then it will actively reach towards the adults as they enter the nest and the cowbird chick will eat all the food it wants. These cowbirds also stand on top of the other young birds in the nest with it effectively holding them down and starving them or crushing the life out of them. This is where IF you had a nest of House Sparrows you could move this chick and give it to the House Sparrows to raise:-)) Anyway I think Bet has a series of photos showing the Brown Headed Cowbirds and the color of their mouth. I would go back and whistle and get photos of this as it might be years before you experience this again. On the OTHER hand this female MIGHT hit a LOT more of your nestboxes over the next few weeks. They are reported to lay upwards of 40 eggs in other bird nests per nesting season.... Some species of birds synchronize egg laying in a colony or area making it harder for a cowbird to lay eggs in all the nests available in her territory. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Cornell From: "Bob Walshaw" <walshaw1 AT cox.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:14:02 -0500 THE NEXT TO LAST DAY OF A WONDERFUL TRIP. TOO BAD CORNELL HAS GIVEN US THE SLIP. EVEN GREAT INSTITUTIONS ARE PRONE TO MISTAKES, AND HISTORY IS FULL OF THE GRIEF THIS MAKES. BOB WALSHAW, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Big chick... Same species or not? From: "Brown, Andrew J." <brownaj AT co.cal.md.us> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:12:09 -0400 If that is indeed a Cowbird, it will be highly likely that the rest of the brood will perish. Andy Brown Prince Frederick, Md. ________________________________ From: bounce-5904508-9803145 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5904508-9803145 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of drdodson Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:34 AM To: BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu Subject: Big chick... Same species or not? I have a nest that I was unable to monitor for some time due to flooding. On the first post flood check, a prothonotary warbler flew from the nest and in the nest were 5 eggs consistent with PROW eggs and one little chick that I assumed was the first hatchling. The next day I came back and the other eggs were hatching, and the first chick looked huge compared to the others. As I look at the pictures, there are some differences between the first and subsequent chicks other than size. The first chick has very light colored down and a red color to the inside of the mouth. The other, later, smaller chicks seem to have darker down and a more yellowish color to the inside of the mouth. I am considering the possibility that the first chick might be a different species. I still think it is most likely that he just hatched early, but I would wel! come thoughts from others. Thank You Jack Dodson Jefferson City, Missouri pictures here http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300- 2-first-attempt-of-2010/ or if that does not work just http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com = *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Big chick... Same species or not? From: drdodson <drdodson AT aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:11:06 -0500 On May 27, 2010, at 8:56:12 AM, "Mary Roen" wrote: From: "Mary Roen" Subject: RE: Big chick... Same species or not? Date: May 27, 2010 8:56:12 AM CDT To: drdodson AT aol.com, Bluebird-L Jack,   Is the hole big enough for a Brown Headed Cowbird to get in? I would watch for that.   Mary, River Falls, WI   Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:34:19 -0500 Subject: Big chick... Same species or not? From: drdodson AT aol.com To: BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu I have a nest that I was unable to monitor for some time due to flooding.   On the first post flood check, a prothonotary warbler flew from the nest and in the nest were 5 eggs consistent with PROW eggs and one little chick  that I assumed was the first hatchling.    The next day I came back and the other eggs were hatching, and the first chick looked huge compared to the others.     As I look at the pictures, there are some differences between the first and subsequent chicks other than size.   The first chick has very light colored down and a red color to the inside of the mouth.   The other, later, smaller chicks seem to have darker down and a more yellowish color to the inside of the mouth.    I am considering the possibility that the first chick might be a different species.   I still think it is most likely that he just hatched early, but I would wel! come thoughts from others.  Thank You Jack Dodson  Jefferson City, Missouri  pictures  here         http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300-2-first-attempt-of-2010/ or if that does not work just    http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. 1.5 inch hole.       I have heard that they can even dump and egg in without entering the box.    I have tons of cowbirds, but interestingly I have yet to have one of them lay an egg in any of my nest boxes.    Jack Dodson  *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Big chick... Same species or not? From: Mary Roen <mbroen AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:56:12 -0500 Jack, Is the hole big enough for a Brown Headed Cowbird to get in? I would watch for that. Mary, River Falls, WI Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:34:19 -0500 Subject: Big chick... Same species or not? From: drdodson AT aol.com To: BLUEBIRD-L AT cornell.edu I have a nest that I was unable to monitor for some time due to flooding. On the first post flood check, a prothonotary warbler flew from the nest and in the nest were 5 eggs consistent with PROW eggs and one little chick that I assumed was the first hatchling. The next day I came back and the other eggs were hatching, and the first chick looked huge compared to the others. As I look at the pictures, there are some differences between the first and subsequent chicks other than size. The first chick has very light colored down and a red color to the inside of the mouth. The other, later, smaller chicks seem to have darker down and a more yellowish color to the inside of the mouth. I am considering the possibility that the first chick might be a different species. I still think it is most likely that he just hatched early, but I would wel! come thoughts from others. Thank You Jack Dodson Jefferson City, Missouri pictures here http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300-2-first-attempt-of-2010/ or if that does not work just http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Big chick... Same species or not? From: drdodson <drdodson AT aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:34:19 -0500 I have a nest that I was unable to monitor for some time due to flooding.   On the first post flood check, a prothonotary warbler flew from the nest and in the nest were 5 eggs consistent with PROW eggs and one little chick  that I assumed was the first hatchling.    The next day I came back and the other eggs were hatching, and the first chick looked huge compared to the others.     As I look at the pictures, there are some differences between the first and subsequent chicks other than size.   The first chick has very light colored down and a red color to the inside of the mouth.   The other, later, smaller chicks seem to have darker down and a more yellowish color to the inside of the mouth.    I am considering the possibility that the first chick might be a different species.   I still think it is most likely that he just hatched early, but I would welcome thoughts from others.  Thank You Jack Dodson  Jefferson City, Missouri  pictures  here         http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/prothonotary-warbler-box-300-2-first-attempt-of-2010/ or if that does not work just    http://dodsonfarm.wordpress.com *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:19:49 -0500 Most of the wild animals cannot detect the red wave length in "white" light from say flash lights as that is why humans who hunt game at night use red lens covers. Most of the automatic "Game Cameras" are now using Infrared LED flash units as deer and other mammals cannot detect this wave length of light. When the video is in black and white the camera is relying on the infrared light source in the nestbox. When the camera is showing in color then enough natural sunlight is entering the nestbox that we can see all the colors of the rainbow. I am guessing that the infrared light source Chad is using is an LED and is putting out no heat or very little heat but again I am guessing. A 40 watt equivalent LED light bulb uses less than 1 watt of energy as compared to a compact fluorescent consuming 11 watts of energy per hour. I have NEVER looked up to see if some insects, moths, butterflies ETC. can detect the infrared wave lengths of light. We see all sorts of birds that nest right under bright light sources. Remember that Purple Martins are adapting to human light sources and nesting and roosting in areas bathed in un-natural man-made light in order that Owls and other night time predators are more easily seen by the adult birds. It is safer for them to nest as a colony in well lit areas as opposed to nesting out in the country in the dark surrounded with predators they cannot see and where they cannot fly IF they get flushed from their cavities at night. I just saw Bet's post come in and I will read her links later tonight but light sources at night can benefit the various species when it comes to predation. Watch how various species of flocking birds will seek out roosting trees in the most well lit parking lots and "down town" business districts open 24 hours . Even Eastern Phoebes and Barn Swallows will often choose to nest right on top of porch lights or on porches that are lit up all night. Creatures adapt to light sources. Breeding season is now mostly over for the Tree Frog species here in East Texas. They are beginning to congregate on our house windows where they eat the insects that are drawn to our artificial lights before we go to bed. I HOPE you all walked outside last night to see the moon at 99% brightness. Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Re: Babies at day 16 From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 06:46:35 -0500 Here's and example of adding on to answers to a question. DustinsMom already knows what she should and should not do BUT her adult bluebirds in her backyard have changed drastically how they normally behave. For the first time really, these birds were very agitated when she went to check the nestbox which she has been doing evidently pretty often. OK to me this change in attitude is a little bit of a Red Flag warning! Then Mike comes in and I totally agree with his answers because neither I nor ANY OTHER person REALLY knows for sure what is going on with these wild birds. We are going to be voicing an opinion or flat out GUESSING if we add on anything else:-)) "Maybe" House Wrens or House Sparrows were hassling them during the day! Maybe a cat or raccoon were around last night. OK region of Tennessee makes a little difference as to what I would have done. These birds are already upset about SOMETHING. Look and listen to see if there is another predator nearby! In southern Tenn. they have fire ants in northern Tenn. they do NOT. I would at least walk by the front of the box and look for ants climbing up the pole. At 16 days at least one of the young should be looking out the entrance hole or should be able to see you through the hole. On the bluebird trail I would go ahead and check this nestbox. In my backyard I would walk on by IF I saw the young and no ants and no snakes near the nestbox pole. I would walk by in a couple of hours in my yard and see if the adults were still agitated. Bluebirds are scolding, (in this case 16 day old young) not so much at YOU in this case but they are warning their young to get READY to scatter if YOU turn into a predator. Listen to see if other species of birds are also scolding as a whole community of species will gather and scold IF a predator like a hawk or snake is nearby threatening them all! LEARN the difference between the sounds of scolding and the calls they make for predators! You just have to watch, see and listen to figure this out. They might consider YOU a predator today IF you look different, act differently or sound differently than your "normal" trip to the nestbox. Baby bluebirds are HEAVIER than their adults at about day 12 or day 13. They have WAY too much baby fat AND they have maybe HALF of the flight feathers and almost NO tail feathers when they go to fledge at day 16<19. They NEED to go on a diet, absorb all that baby fat in order to be able to fly UP to trees instead of CRASH landing on the ground. IF you watch on camera or try feeding baby bluebirds around this age group these young will BEG loudly for food and then at the last instant they shut their mouths and or SPIT out the food the adults put in their mouths. This week we had someone mention after the young bluebirds fledged the old nest contained "lots" of un-eaten mealworms. The babies fledged at 19 days AND they ALL flew great! This means the adults were "trying" to feed the young but they were spitting out "some" of the food. Then the baby bluebird that was caught on the ground by a dog was evidently out of the nest way too heavy to fly. It either fledged too early or it was just too heavy for the feathers it had at that time. NORMALLY a baby bird down on the ground is predator food. Ideally nature WANTS baby bluebirds to be able to fly well enough or be light enough weight wise at fledging time to be able to fly up into the tree tops with the scant amount of feathers they already have at fledging date. LOTS of folks watch and see and believe that the adults are with holding food and or coaxing the young out of the boxes and they maybe correct. ALWAYS other good opinions and answers can be added to EVERY question. Dustinsmom was asking for a couple of answers BUT she is already good enough to be ANSWERING some of these:-)) LEARN what you can! SHARE what you learn! KK *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Bet Zimmerman" <ezdz AT charter.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:34:03 -0400 The picture color is great – most are B&W. Actually Charlene and Chad, I was wondering about the heat from the lights – is there enough ventilation? Nighttime lighting of regular (not sure about infrared) lights DOES affect animal biorhythms – see http://data.nextrionet.com/site/idsa/is187.pdf (linked from an article I did on exterior light pollution at http://www.ourbetternature.org/lightpollution.htm) Chad, are you moving over to the Yahoo Group? Bluebird_L ends Friday. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/BluebirdMonitors/ Bet from CT From: ckanchor AT comcast.net [mailto:ckanchor AT comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello Chad, Enjoy seeing your pictures. But, being that my nature is to be a worrier, I can't help but wonder about the lights being on all night. Is that how it is or do you turn them off at some point? I don't know how bright the lights are but I would be concerned about keeping the female awake. She probably would turn the eggs even if the box was darker but could the extra light prevent her from sleeping at other times? I really don't know the answer to these questions. Maybe it doesn't matter and maybe someone like Keith (we always put it on your shoulders Keith!) would know. Also, I realize that birds are watched by various nest cams but I don't know if the lights are on all night or not. I just assumed that at some point they get turned off. Another motivation for my asking this question (besides my need to worry :-)) is something I read. It was an article which said that excessively bright lights at night seem to interfere with the nesting of some birds. Your lights may not be bright enough to be excessive. Anyway, I hope someone else knows more about this than me. Charlene Anchor E C Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Sarles To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Sent: Wed, 26 May 2010 05:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard. Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now. There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network. One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night! I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma. She is a light sleeper! She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it. Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Waiting for others to answer questions From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53:09 -0500 Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas IF ANY of you all see a question come to the list do NOT wait on me or ANY of the other folks to answer that question!!!! All of us are busy and I normally try to answer questions before 7 AM and then check the list about lunch time. Genie and most of you all (students) already know the answers to MOST of these questions. We are teaching YOU ALL so that YOU can answer other peoples questions! Go ahead and fire off your opinions/thoughts/answers to the person needing help AND post your reply to the whole list. THAT way when I come in and check the list and the other teachers get their digest tomorrow they can add on their ideas/opinions and fill out these answers. We are ALL Students as we read these posts from others!!! I don't think any of us would consider our selves a "Pro" at bluebirding! I am continuing to learn from ALL of you when you post to the whole list or write to me personally. DO NOT get upset if you post an answer and SOMEONE else posts a DIFFERENT opinion as we are ALL just throwing out guesses at most of these questions. We SOMETIMES get lucky and something we say "appears" to be the correct answer. Bluebirding is NOT a True or False question/answer hobby! There are LOTS of correct answers DEPENDING on the time of the year and different regions of the country and THAT one pair of birds you have just may be different. So if you all will answer the questions or PARTS of the questions that you can some of us can spend more time sharing some of the other things we have learned about these birds. KK *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: ckanchor AT comcast.net Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 03:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Hello Chad, Enjoy seeing your pictures. But, being that my nature is to be a worrier, I can't help but wonder about the lights being on all night. Is that how it is or do you turn them off at some point? I don't know how bright the lights are but I would be concerned about keeping the female awake. She probably would turn the eggs even if the box was darker but could the extra light prevent her from sleeping at other times? I really don't know the answer to these questions. Maybe it doesn't matter and maybe someone like Keith (we always put it on your shoulders Keith!) would know. Also, I realize that birds are watched by various nest cams but I don't know if the lights are on all night or not. I just assumed that at some point they get turned off. Another motivation for my asking this question (besides my need to worry :-)) is something I read. It was an article which said that excessively bright lights at night seem to interfere with the nesting of some birds. Your lights may not be bright enough to be excessive. Anyway, I hope someone else knows more about this than me. Charlene Anchor E C Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Sarles To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Sent: Wed, 26 May 2010 05:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard. Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now. There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network. One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night! I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma. She is a light sleeper! She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it. Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Evelyn's bluebird photo From: Tina Mitchell <ztsipapu AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:51:23 -0600 Tina Mitchell Coaldale, CO Hi, Keith & list-- Keith wrote: IF you look really closely right at the top joint on the wing it would "appear" that there is a tiny amount of damage to that joint. Keith, I think you would be one of those magical diagnosticians I referred to in my earlier message. You don't even have to have a hand on the bird. (My original message about the photo last night never came through to my mailbox, although it showed up on the Web site. If you didn't see my rather lengthy (and a tad soporific) description of the feather display--and for some reason want to--you can either check the Bluebird Monitors Web site--click on "View all" to the right of "Most recent messages", then search for #198--or drop me an e-mail and I'll send it to you directly. That seems to have worked last night.) My laptop monitor doesn't let me see with much clarity, but I think I see the spot you're referring to. All of your speculations are good ones, I'd say. Evelyn wrote back to me that the wing really looked chopped off--and she was looking at it from 5' away. All I can think of--since both Keith and I think the feathers look okay--is that some musculature or fracture issue caused the wing to be held in a very unusual and awkward position that wouldn't allow flight and that shortened the appearance of the wing. The most common wing injury we get are fractures from window strikes. Sometimes with an untreated fracture, the muscles/ligaments/tendons (whatever) eventually shrink or stiffen around the injury and the wing becomes useless for flight. (That might explain why the bird could fly a bit early on but eventually had much more trouble.) If the bones are broken further away from a joint, they sometimes can be healed with setting, wrapping, rest, and physical therapy. If the injury is close to or actually at the joint, we generally euthanize the bird because those injuries rarely heal sufficiently for free and useful flight. And it's both inhumane for the bird and illegal (at least in CO), to put a bird through that vague version of torture when there is such a low probability of its being releasable. The feather disturbance in Evelyn's photo appears to be very close to the joint, as Keith noted, so that would be a serious problem if there were a fracture there. Tina "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Through the Looking Glass. http://sipapu.wordpress.com/ (information about central Colorado's pinyon/juniper habitat) http://galapagos2009.wordpress.com/ (a detailed trip report & photos about our 2009 trip to Ecuador & the Galápagos Islands) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "linyl" <linyl AT windstream.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:49:48 -0400 May I ask what your temperature is there and what kind of nestbox you are using? Wow! Love watching! Linda in NW GA -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5893026-9482887 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5893026-9482887 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Chad Sarles Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:12 AM To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard. Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now. There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network. One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night! I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma. She is a light sleeper! She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it. Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Evelyn's bluebird photo From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:00:27 -0500 Good Morning all, I have avoided this question or at least I have been pondering an answer to this for several days. As Tina suggests this is JUST one photo and there is no way to diagnose for sure as in photography a single picture frame often catches people in an awkward position. OK blow up Evelyn's photo and look close and then go to Larry's bluebird photos or the female hatching out eggs on video and look close at the pictures of the wings of these bluebirds in a more natural pose. Numbers of primary and secondary feathers appear about normal on Evelyn's bird but the wrist of the wing on the right hand side looks like it cannot fold that part of the wing back correctly. IF you look really closely right at the top joint on the wing it would "appear" that there is a tiny amount of damage to that joint. Maybe the bird flew into a wire or hit a limb right on that joint. Maybe a house cat claw snagged that joint. Maybe it got shot with a weak powered BB gun right on that joint. Anyway it appears that a tiny amount of feathers right on the joint are either missing or show damage in this photo. I "PERSONALLY" worry about folks stretching thin monofilament line on nestboxes and bird feeders to deter House Sparrows. I always worry that other species of birds will damage a wing or cut a tendon on a wing by flying into this thin line. Birds panic when Cooper and Sharp Shinned Hawks appear and songbirds dive through tree branches, risking injury to escape certain death! Not sure what day Evelyn got snow but if the bird could not fly from the time of the fall molt, normally in August it would not have lived till snowfall in Eastern Louisiana. IF this inability to fly was due to abnormal growth in wing feathers it would have disappeared, become a meal by September. Maybe Tina can look at that wing joint again this morning now that she is awake there in Colorado:-)) We often see "wing droop" in birds that have smacked into a window, damaging either their wing, wing joints or possibly their breast meat or the muscles that allow them to fly. KK PS Speed of posts hitting each list. For the last couple of days I was putting out posts to both lists in the same "To" line, except for yesterday, posts were getting back to me quicker from the Yahoo group before they bounced back to me from Bluebird-L. As Ann Wick found out Yahoo had server issues yesterday leading to delays in group messages from hours to even a day for some groups. IF you notice in the "to" line on this post Tina will get this post THREE times. I "Blind Carbon Copied Bcc) Evelyn so SHE will get this same post three times:-))KK *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:03:17 -0500 That really is a nice photo quality. There was at least one baby hatched out at 5:45 AM Central time zone. It would appear the female already ate the half shells. They sometimes do this to re-cycle the calcium. Birds have the ability to draw down the calcium in their bones in order to produce their eggs IF they do not have enough calcium in their diet at the time of egg laying. This can weaken their bones a little in the species of birds that only lay a few eggs. This is a bigger problem in the birds who lay very large clutches of eggs or those who lay eggs day after day in commercial operations. Keith Kridler cool 68*F for an over night low temperature. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: "Gail Storm" <paws4fun AT aeroinc.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:22:55 -0500 This is really a great camera at night. I was just there and it's a nice clear picture and up close and personal. I highly recommend it. Let the hatching begin. J Gail Storm NW IL on the WI border Orangeville, IL 61060 From: bounce-5893026-8767929 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5893026-8767929 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Chad Sarles Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:12 AM To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard. Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now. There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network. One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night! I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma. She is a light sleeper! She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it. Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Bluebird camera is up and running (with night vision!) From: Chad Sarles <wsarles AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:11:55 -0400 Hello all, Long time listener, infrequent poster here. I have set up a webcam on my bluebird nestbox that is in my backyard. Momma and papa are going to have some babies hatching any time now. There are five eggs with the last one being laid on May 13th. I rigged an IP camera in a PVC enclosure which is connected to my wireless network. One of the cool things is that we can watch them at night! I set up infrared LEDs in the box which lets us gather some insight on what happens when the lights go out. I have been finding myself over the last few nights waking up and watching momma. She is a light sleeper! She rotates the eggs quite often. I'm still working out the kinks in the quality of the stream, so if you see it go down for a bit, I'm probably working on it. Here's the url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bluebirds-in-indiana Enjoy! Chad Sarles Brownsburg, IN *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: BMG turns 100! From: geochelone AT aol.com Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:41:02 -0400 100 members that is. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Goodbye for now From: "linyl" <linyl AT windstream.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:41:12 -0400 I appreciate all you've done for Bluebirds, environment, and folks. I do wish you would move on over with everyone else, but I will e-mail you. You're so kind to offer your e-mail address. Anyone that cares as much as you do deserves the best. If something comes up on the list that I think you would like to hear, I'm willing to send it to you. Even though you have problems, I'm sure it's therapy to have all of the bluebird friends you have on the list and to give your experienced advice. So, if you change your mind, help is just an e-mail away. Linda in Extreme NW GA -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5889920-9482887 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5889920-9482887 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Walshaw Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:58 PM To: BLUEBIRD-L Subject: Goodbye for now I am in my eightiest year, and have been staying on top of the following: 1. Caring for a sick wife. 2. Working three nights a week in the hunting department at Bass Pro Shops. ( My wife says it keeps me out of the bar rooms!) 3. Interacting with Bluebird-L, sometimes as many as 30 emails a day. 4. Helping people all over the world with their job searches. (My allexperts listing - free). 5. Answering questions from my allexperts Bluebird listing. 6. Monitoring a 5 mile Bluebird line by shanks mare. 7. Staying ahead of the weeds in an acre of flower beds - another labor of love. 8. Taking grandchildren fishing and Bluebirding when we are lucky enough to have them visit. 9. Grocery shopping and whatever else is required outside the home - My wife can no longer drive. 10. The free 20 page Bluebird book program. More than 1700 copies mailed so far. After a lot of thought I have decided not to join BMG. I will help anyone who contacts me at my email address- walshaw1 AT cox.net, and I will continue to send the free Bluebird books to anyone who sends their mailing address to me at 26001 E. 118th St. S., Coweta, OK 74429. Cornell may have done me a favor. Drawing an extra breath during the last few days has caused me to think of doing some more fishing and also getting deeper into our Easton Press library of the world's greatest books. I will miss your sharing, your ideas and your putting up with some of my strong opinions. Much love. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Goodbye for now From: "Dottie" <yumyumkatts AT voyager.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:52:42 -0400 We will miss you, Bob, and your poems. I saved them all and enjoyed them very much. God bless and good Bluebirding! Dottie, Hickory Hollow Brown County, Indiana (50 miles south of Indianapolis) Lat: 39.371N Lon: 86.261W Zone 5 Elevation: 680 ft -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5889920-3587711 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5889920-3587711 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Walshaw Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:58 PM To: BLUEBIRD-L Subject: Goodbye for now I am in my eightiest year, and have been staying on top of the following: 1. Caring for a sick wife. 2. Working three nights a week in the hunting department at Bass Pro Shops. ( My wife says it keeps me out of the bar rooms!) 3. Interacting with Bluebird-L, sometimes as many as 30 emails a day. 4. Helping people all over the world with their job searches. (My allexperts listing - free). 5. Answering questions from my allexperts Bluebird listing. 6. Monitoring a 5 mile Bluebird line by shanks mare. 7. Staying ahead of the weeds in an acre of flower beds - another labor of love. 8. Taking grandchildren fishing and Bluebirding when we are lucky enough to have them visit. 9. Grocery shopping and whatever else is required outside the home - My wife can no longer drive. 10. The free 20 page Bluebird book program. More than 1700 copies mailed so far. After a lot of thought I have decided not to join BMG. I will help anyone who contacts me at my email address- walshaw1 AT cox.net, and I will continue to send the free Bluebird books to anyone who sends their mailing address to me at 26001 E. 118th St. S., Coweta, OK 74429. Cornell may have done me a favor. Drawing an extra breath during the last few days has caused me to think of doing some more fishing and also getting deeper into our Easton Press library of the world's greatest books. I will miss your sharing, your ideas and your putting up with some of my strong opinions. Much love. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Unknown nest in nest box From: jrodewald <jrodewald AT NCOLONIE.ORG> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:30:23 -0400 Thanks to all your responses, it sounds as though I was right in my suspicion that it was a house wren. The initial finding had me stumped, I had never seen it before. I've been trying to encourage the house sparrows to go away and am used to finding their messes. This was decidedly different and my colleagues were scratching their heads, too. Hasn't shown up yet this year. Thanks! J. Rodewald *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Goodbye for now From: "Gail Storm" <paws4fun AT aeroinc.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:14:54 -0500 Let me just say Bob, that I have always valued all your help and it has made a difference in many facets of the Brush Creek Farm Trail. The first "real" guide I ever used was yours. From your many posts, I have learned many things that I think have made me a more productive and confident monitor. Thanks for a lot of learning in a relatively short amount of time. If you decide to change your mind and join up again on yahoo groups, you have my email and phone, call me. Thanks from all the swallows and bluebirds and me, Gail Storm NW IL on the WI border Orangeville, IL 61060 -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5889920-8767929 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5889920-8767929 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Walshaw Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:58 PM To: BLUEBIRD-L Subject: Goodbye for now I am in my eightiest year, and have been staying on top of the following: 1. Caring for a sick wife. 2. Working three nights a week in the hunting department at Bass Pro Shops. ( My wife says it keeps me out of the bar rooms!) 3. Interacting with Bluebird-L, sometimes as many as 30 emails a day. 4. Helping people all over the world with their job searches. (My allexperts listing - free). 5. Answering questions from my allexperts Bluebird listing. 6. Monitoring a 5 mile Bluebird line by shanks mare. 7. Staying ahead of the weeds in an acre of flower beds - another labor of love. 8. Taking grandchildren fishing and Bluebirding when we are lucky enough to have them visit. 9. Grocery shopping and whatever else is required outside the home - My wife can no longer drive. 10. The free 20 page Bluebird book program. More than 1700 copies mailed so far. After a lot of thought I have decided not to join BMG. I will help anyone who contacts me at my email address- walshaw1 AT cox.net, and I will continue to send the free Bluebird books to anyone who sends their mailing address to me at 26001 E. 118th St. S., Coweta, OK 74429. Cornell may have done me a favor. Drawing an extra breath during the last few days has caused me to think of doing some more fishing and also getting deeper into our Easton Press library of the world's greatest books. I will miss your sharing, your ideas and your putting up with some of my strong opinions. Much love. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Goodbye for now From: "Bob Walshaw" <walshaw1 AT cox.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:57:42 -0500 I am in my eightiest year, and have been staying on top of the following: 1. Caring for a sick wife. 2. Working three nights a week in the hunting department at Bass Pro Shops. ( My wife says it keeps me out of the bar rooms!) 3. Interacting with Bluebird-L, sometimes as many as 30 emails a day. 4. Helping people all over the world with their job searches. (My allexperts listing - free). 5. Answering questions from my allexperts Bluebird listing. 6. Monitoring a 5 mile Bluebird line by shanks mare. 7. Staying ahead of the weeds in an acre of flower beds - another labor of love. 8. Taking grandchildren fishing and Bluebirding when we are lucky enough to have them visit. 9. Grocery shopping and whatever else is required outside the home - My wife can no longer drive. 10. The free 20 page Bluebird book program. More than 1700 copies mailed so far. After a lot of thought I have decided not to join BMG. I will help anyone who contacts me at my email address- walshaw1 AT cox.net, and I will continue to send the free Bluebird books to anyone who sends their mailing address to me at 26001 E. 118th St. S., Coweta, OK 74429. Cornell may have done me a favor. Drawing an extra breath during the last few days has caused me to think of doing some more fishing and also getting deeper into our Easton Press library of the world's greatest books. I will miss your sharing, your ideas and your putting up with some of my strong opinions. Much love. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Unknown nest in nest box From: karis718 AT bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:28:07 +0000 House Wren dummy nest. Karis Jacobstein Suwanee, GA Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: jrodewald Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:16:36 To: bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Unknown nest in nest box Last Summer we had a bluebird nest box that had just an assembleage of sticks. No grass, lichens, moss, or plastic. Struck me as twigs from a crab apple tree which was near by. It was a little less than an inch thick and does not look like it was used based upon the low level bird droppings in the box. Is this the beginnings of a house wren nest that was never completed? Any other thoughts? Regards, J. Rodewald Department of Science Shaker High School Latham, NY 12110 ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This email and any attachments are intended for use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Thank you for your cooperation. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Unknown nest in nest box From: jrodewald <jrodewald AT NCOLONIE.ORG> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:16:36 -0400 Last Summer we had a bluebird nest box that had just an assembleage of sticks. No grass, lichens, moss, or plastic. Struck me as twigs from a crab apple tree which was near by. It was a little less than an inch thick and does not look like it was used based upon the low level bird droppings in the box. Is this the beginnings of a house wren nest that was never completed? Any other thoughts? Regards, J. Rodewald Department of Science Shaker High School Latham, NY 12110 ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This email and any attachments are intended for use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Thank you for your cooperation. *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird From: "Joe O'Brien" <obiscoinc AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:06:28 -0500 Jill, thanks for your feedback. The issue of what to do with BB predator raccoons - they have every bit as much right to live as BB, v. they are a significant reason why BB were an endangered species - arouses feelings on each side. Analogy to passion displayed when issue of abortion comes up. My sense is that there reputable members of the BB Society who have strong, diametrically opposed viewpoints on the issue of dealing with raccoons. . On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Lee, Jill wrote: > I'd also like to point out that you don't HAVE to trap/kill the raccoon, > especially if you don't suspect it of actually being a rabid animal. It > was only doing what its instincts tell it to (which argues for it NOT > being rabid). Most definitely move the box to a pole w/ a baffle, and > then see how that works. I would resort to trapping only if that > doesn't work, as it is likely that your state won't allow relocation, > leaving your only option to end its life. The raccoons have every right > to be here as do our bluebirds. > > > > Jill Lee > Lusby, MD > > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-5851343-11002060 AT list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-5851343-11002060 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bob > Walshaw > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:19 PM > To: Tim Poulsen; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu > Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird > > It is the same in almost every state. Reply to me off > list if you need help with humane disposal. Bob > Walshaw, NE OK. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Poulsen" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird > > > In NY state it's illegal to relocate a nuisance animal > without a permit > But you can kill them. Check your state regs before > you start trapping. > > Tim > -- > > > > *********************** > To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message > bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu > The body of the message is simply > leave > > More info on leaving e-lists: > http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html > > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Fledgling in the yard!! From: "Joe O'Brien" <obiscoinc AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:46:45 -0500 Gail, Nice reading a crisis in the fragile ecosystem that has a hopeful ending / beginning. Best wishes to the young baby blue, for getting his wings aflutter real soon. And thanks again for your responses to "Newbies Request For Feedback" last week. Joe, Little Rock, Ar. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gail Storm wrote: > Oh man, just had the scare of my bluebird life....looked out to see my > young > dog trying to play with a baby EABL! It is feathered out but I'd say should > have stayed in the box for another day or two at least. First time in 20 > years that I have seen one in the house yard area. I have a nestbox that > is > WAY down in the pasture (300 ft. probably at least) that had babies about > this age in it when I looked the other day. How that baby got here in my > yard (the dogs can't get into that pasture as it's the lambing pasture) > I'll > never know as it's ability to fly is very limited. I do have some old oaks > in the yard but I haven't seen or heard adults really in the yard much. I'm > sure that I'd have probably noticed if they were nesting in a natural > cavity > up close in the house yard area. As far as I know all I see are the > starlings using those holes in the elms and oaks. I keep trying for them > but > I need a better gun than the one I have. I have one nestbox in the yard but > it is for trapping HOSP. > > I took the baby back down into the pasture and put it in a tree about 100' > from the nestbox where it proceeded to fly and go to the ground and then > run > into the tall road ditch grass. The parents followed me so they know where > it is. I swear one of them brushed my hair. I so hope it doesn't get onto > the road and get smashed!! The box faces away from the road and out into > my > pasture so I'm not sure why the little one headed up to the house yard with > other trees and bushes closer. > > Here's to hoping the little guy makes it...... > > Later today I've got to take time out to go and see what's up on the rest > of > my trail. Work and lambing have me tied to the house and barn area right > now. The weather is good so I'll make time for a break today and jump in > the Kubota and run the dogs and see what's up "out back". > > Is there anyone yet that is still on Bluebird-L and not on the yahoo groups > page yet? I'm wondering if I need to post to both places still. > > Gail Storm > NW IL on the WI border > Orangeville, IL 61060 > > > > *********************** > To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message > bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu > The body of the message is simply > leave > > More info on leaving e-lists: > http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Fledgling in the yard!! From: "Joe O'Brien" <obiscoinc AT gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:43:41 -0500 Gail, Nice reading a crisis in the fragile ecosystem that has a hopeful ending / beginning. Best wishes to the young baby blue, for getting his wings aflutter real soon. And thanks again for your responses to "NewbiesRequest For Feedback" last week. Joe, Little Rock, Ar. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gail Storm wrote: > Oh man, just had the scare of my bluebird life....looked out to see my > young > dog trying to play with a baby EABL! It is feathered out but I'd say should > have stayed in the box for another day or two at least. First time in 20 > years that I have seen one in the house yard area. I have a nestbox that > is > WAY down in the pasture (300 ft. probably at least) that had babies about > this age in it when I looked the other day. How that baby got here in my > yard (the dogs can't get into that pasture as it's the lambing pasture) > I'll > never know as it's ability to fly is very limited. I do have some old oaks > in the yard but I haven't seen or heard adults really in the yard much. I'm > sure that I'd have probably noticed if they were nesting in a natural > cavity > up close in the house yard area. As far as I know all I see are the > starlings using those holes in the elms and oaks. I keep trying for them > but > I need a better gun than the one I have. I have one nestbox in the yard but > it is for trapping HOSP. > > I took the baby back down into the pasture and put it in a tree about 100' > from the nestbox where it proceeded to fly and go to the ground and then > run > into the tall road ditch grass. The parents followed me so they know where > it is. I swear one of them brushed my hair. I so hope it doesn't get onto > the road and get smashed!! The box faces away from the road and out into > my > pasture so I'm not sure why the little one headed up to the house yard with > other trees and bushes closer. > > Here's to hoping the little guy makes it...... > > Later today I've got to take time out to go and see what's up on the rest > of > my trail. Work and lambing have me tied to the house and barn area right > now. The weather is good so I'll make time for a break today and jump in > the Kubota and run the dogs and see what's up "out back". > > Is there anyone yet that is still on Bluebird-L and not on the yahoo groups > page yet? I'm wondering if I need to post to both places still. > > Gail Storm > NW IL on the WI border > Orangeville, IL 61060 > > > > *********************** > To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message > bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu > The body of the message is simply > leave > > More info on leaving e-lists: > http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html > *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird From: <chill55 AT peoplepc.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:34:04 -0400 Jill, I can't imagine that anyone would have thought there was any ill intent on your part. I appreciate your bringing up a most valid point and offering the perspective you shared. I hope others will do just as you advised. And before anyone reacts too quickly, take a deep breath. And think. :-) Please. Carla N of Atlanta GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee, Jill" To: "Bob Walshaw" ; "Tim Poulsen" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: RE: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird You are correct, it's very unfortunate, and for some, a dilemma. It brings to mind a quote from one of my favorite movies: "What else is to be concluded, Sir, except that first you make thieves, and then you punish them." I had no ill intent. My point was simply to give another perspective, as different areas have different issues (and in different measures). I always hope that death is not the first recourse (well, maybe except for the HOSP). I also hope that the original poster will evaluate if that's a big enough issue to consider, wherever they are. :) Regards, Jill Lee Lusby, and Prince George's Co. MD -----Original Message----- From: Bob Walshaw [mailto:walshaw1 AT cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:26 AM To: Lee, Jill; Tim Poulsen; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird Unfortunately, and the people who are wildlife experts will tell you this, development and the population increase has driven the larger predators away and the increase in small predators due to this and also to the reduction in trapping has led to a huge growth in the population of Raccoons, Opossums, Skunks, Weasels, etc. This has put pressure on Quail and other ground nesting birds as well as waterfowl and is requiring more legal control. Raccoons are one of the worst offenders. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee, Jill" To: "Bob Walshaw" ; "Tim Poulsen" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:58 AM Subject: RE: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird I'd also like to point out that you don't HAVE to trap/kill the raccoon, especially if you don't suspect it of actually being a rabid animal. It was only doing what its instincts tell it to (which argues for it NOT being rabid). Most definitely move the box to a pole w/ a baffle, and then see how that works. I would resort to trapping only if that doesn't work, as it is likely that your state won't allow relocation, leaving your only option to end its life. The raccoons have every right to be here as do our bluebirds. Jill Lee Lusby, MD -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5851343-11002060 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5851343-11002060 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Walshaw Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:19 PM To: Tim Poulsen; bluebird-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird It is the same in almost every state. Reply to me off list if you need help with humane disposal. Bob Walshaw, NE OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Poulsen" To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Feedback Requested By A New To Bluebird In NY state it's illegal to relocate a nuisance animal without a permit But you can kill them. Check your state regs before you start trapping. Tim -- *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: RE: Fledgling in the yard!! From: "Shari Kastner" <smk AT teamv.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:20:47 -0700 Wow, Gail, you did have a good scare! You sound like such a get-er-done kinda girl. I was cheering you on the whole way. It sounds like the parents know where the baby is, so I think it will be in good hands. Keeping my fingers crossed for luck! Shari in New Berlin, WI -----Original Message----- From: bounce-5888422-3587604 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-5888422-3587604 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Storm Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:45 AM To: BluebirdMonitors AT yahoogroups.com Cc: Bluebird List Cornell Subject: Fledgling in the yard!! Oh man, just had the scare of my bluebird life....looked out to see my young dog trying to play with a baby EABL! It is feathered out but I'd say should have stayed in the box for another day or two at least. First time in 20 years that I have seen one in the house yard area. I have a nestbox that is WAY down in the pasture (300 ft. probably at least) that had babies about this age in it when I looked the other day. How that baby got here in my yard (the dogs can't get into that pasture as it's the lambing pasture) I'll never know as it's ability to fly is very limited. I do have some old oaks in the yard but I haven't seen or heard adults really in the yard much. I'm sure that I'd have probably noticed if they were nesting in a natural cavity up close in the house yard area. As far as I know all I see are the starlings using those holes in the elms and oaks. I keep trying for them but I need a better gun than the one I have. I have one nestbox in the yard but it is for trapping HOSP. I took the baby back down into the pasture and put it in a tree about 100' from the nestbox where it proceeded to fly and go to the ground and then run into the tall road ditch grass. The parents followed me so they know where it is. I swear one of them brushed my hair. I so hope it doesn't get onto the road and get smashed!! The box faces away from the road and out into my pasture so I'm not sure why the little one headed up to the house yard with other trees and bushes closer. Here's to hoping the little guy makes it...... Later today I've got to take time out to go and see what's up on the rest of my trail. Work and lambing have me tied to the house and barn area right now. The weather is good so I'll make time for a break today and jump in the Kubota and run the dogs and see what's up "out back". Is there anyone yet that is still on Bluebird-L and not on the yahoo groups page yet? I'm wondering if I need to post to both places still. Gail Storm NW IL on the WI border Orangeville, IL 61060 *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Mail was checked for spam by the Freeware Edition of CleanMail. The Freeware Edition is free for personal and non-commercial use. You can remove this notice by purchasing a full license! *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html Subject: Re: Testing for disease in plants and birds From: "Keith Kridler" <txbluebirder AT suddenlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:14:38 -0500 Jill, I would think to get a good necropsy done on a small song bird you would actually have to find a veterinarian that specializes in pet birds or at least specializes in poultry. Anatomy of birds and small mammals would be so different that unless a vet has done a LOT of these they probably would not know what is normal and what is abnormal. I think this may also be the reason Bet was having trouble finding anyone in CT to even run a blood test for West Nile Virus. Normally for this test I believe the local vets are trained to take a sample and preserve it but then ship it to a regional testing area. There I believe they have to run DNA testing to determine just which encephalitis strain they are dealing with. Another issue with birds is they begin to decompose so quickly this would affect the samples that you could take and send off. I know some samples are needed to be packed in Dry Ice to keep them REALLY cold but I am not sure if they would want all of the birds frozen to preserve them for certain tests. This might be another one of those issues where we should check this out BEFORE we have an issue. Paul Kilduff is getting tests done on a chickadee. Maybe next week we can here how this all worked out. Keith Kridler *********************** To stop receiving messages from this list, send an e-mail message bluebird-L-request AT cornell.edu The body of the message is simply leave More info on leaving e-lists: http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer/elist/lyris/leave-more.html