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12 May Re: ...now Apostlebirds ["Kurtis Lindsay" ]
12 May Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS...now Apsotlebirds ["Graham Turner" ]
12 May RFI: Central West NSW ["Troy Mutton" ]
12 May Christidis & Boles 2008 change list ["Tim Dolby" ]
12 May Re: Grey Falcon(s), Karratha, WA, 11-05-2008 ["Graham Turner" ]
12 May Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] []
12 May Re: spotlighting and bird's eyes [Andrew Taylor ]
12 May Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS ["Stephen Ambrose" ]
12 May Re: Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC ["Mike Carter" ]
12 May Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS ["Peter Madvig" ]
12 May Re: Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC []
12 May Stock routes in Queensland [peter crow ]
12 May Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC []
12 May Grey Falcon(s), Karratha, WA, 11-05-2008 ["Nathan Waugh" ]
12 May RE: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration(racing pigeons) [Carol Probets ]
12 May RE: sick currawong - white feet ["storm" ]
12 May Re: NSW - A weekend of Sydney rarities - 10 to 11th May 2008 [Carol Probets ]
11 May sick currawong - white feet ["Carolyn Watkins" ]
12 May ABC 702 Sydney this morning ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
9 May Australia Land of Parrots to be repeated 4pm Saturday ["Billinghurst, David \(RTATECH\)" ]
12 May RE: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration(racing pigeons) ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
11 May NSW - A weekend of Sydney rarities - 10 to 11th May 20008 ["Edwin Vella" ]
11 May BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS ["kbrandwood" ]
11 May re: Keys to Cheetham Salt-works, Adelaide SA ["Kevin and Lizzie" ]
11 May Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos [John Tongue ]
10 May Maitland Birding [Grant Brosie ]
11 May Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration (racing pigeons) ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
11 May Re: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration [John Tongue ]
11 May Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration ["Arwen B. Ximenes" ]
11 May Re: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration [Carol Probets ]
11 May Peregrine nest webcam ["Dave Torr" ]
10 May Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] [Mick Roderick ]
10 May Re: Sydney Olympic Park ["Darryl McKay" ]
10 May Re: common bird quiz [John Tongue ]
10 May common bird quiz ["Jackett family" ]
10 May Re: spotlighting and bird's eyes ["Michelle Plant" ]
10 May Sydney Olympic Park ["maxb99 AT iinet.net.au" ]
10 May High levels of contamination in urban Peregrines [L&L Knight ]
10 May RE: spotlighting and bird's eyes ["Steve" ]
10 May spotlighting and bird's eyes ["Ashwin Rudder" ]
10 May RE: Re: Local extinction! [Peter Ewin ]
10 May Regent Honeyeaters. ["Bruce Cox" ]
10 May RE: Birdinfo ["Tony Russell" ]
9 May Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] ["Elizabeth Shaw" ]
9 May Australia: Land of Parrots Re-screening [Martin ]
9 May Re: Toads [Andrew Taylor ]
9 May Re: Keys to Cheetham Salt-works, Adelaide SA ["Dean Cutten" ]
9 May RFI: Mainland locations for Sooty Oystercatchers in North Queensland. Update. ["Robert Inglis" ]
09 May Re: Common bird quiz [Frank O'Connor ]
9 May RFI: Mainland locations for Sooty Oystercatchers in North Queensland. ["Robert Inglis" ]
09 May Birdinfo [Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge ]
9 May Re: Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk? ["Greg & Val Clancy" ]

Subject: Re: ...now Apostlebirds
From: "Kurtis Lindsay" <littleheath1 AT bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:29:00 +1000
The Apostlebirds from Featherdale Wildlife park at Doonside can be found 
living freely outside some of the large aviaries in the park grounds. Also 
frequently found roaming the park are Buff-banded Rail (possibly escapees), 
breeding Cattle Egret and Collared Turtledove. I have also see Apostlebirds 
at nearby Nurragingy reserve.
I believe the B-A archives hold substantial records of  Sydney's 
Apostlebirds.

Kurtis Lindsay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Turner" 
To: "Baus" 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS...now Apsotlebirds


>I saw Apostlebirds near Blacktown in January of this year. I assumed they 
>came from Pine Grove Cemetery, where they are said to be resident. I 
>understand these are escapees from Featherdale Zoo which have now formed a 
>self sustaining population.
>
> Cheers
> Graham Turner
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Madvig" 
> To: "kbrandwood" ; "birdingaus" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS
>
>
>> Following on from Keith and Ed Vella's listings for the Sydney area, I 
>> have a report from Cranebrook north of Penrith of a flock of Apostle 
>> birds - how often do they occur this side of the range??
>>
>> Cheers
>> Peter Madvig
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS...now Apsotlebirds
From: "Graham Turner" <origma AT ozemail.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:58:36 +1000
I saw Apostlebirds near Blacktown in January of this year. I assumed they 
came from Pine Grove Cemetery, where they are said to be resident. I 
understand these are escapees from Featherdale Zoo which have now formed a 
self sustaining population.

Cheers
Graham Turner

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Madvig" 
To: "kbrandwood" ; "birdingaus" 

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS


> Following on from Keith and Ed Vella's listings for the Sydney area, I 
> have a report from Cranebrook north of Penrith of a flock of Apostle 
> birds - how often do they occur this side of the range??
>
> Cheers
> Peter Madvig
>
>

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Subject: RFI: Central West NSW
From: "Troy Mutton" <t.mutton AT library.usyd.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:20:25 +1000
Hi All,

 

I'm heading out for a 3-4 day trip to Round Hill NR, Weddin Mts, and
anywhere else in the area that takes my fancy. 

 

Has anyone been there recently and have any advice on places to
investigate? 

 

I will be accompanied by my non-birding partner, so apart from a leave
pass to spend a good 4-5 hours at Round Hill - it's my birthday present
to myself - any locations on Sydney -> Round Hill via Grenfell round
trip will have to be fairly nearish main roads. I'm working on a visit
to the Capertee on the way back, but we'll see how that pans out when we
are on the home stretch.

 

If anyone has been to Round Hill recently, do you have any advice on
where I might find a Spotted Bowerbird, Southern Scrub-Robin or Chestnut
Quail-thrush? I have the Thomas & Thomas info, have scoured the archives
and found some good information on some of the targets, but any current
information much appreciated.

 

I have contacted NPWS and left a message letting them know I'm passing
through.

 

Cheers,

Troy

 

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Subject: Christidis & Boles 2008 change list
From: "Tim Dolby" <Tim.Dolby AT vu.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:10:27 +1000
Hi birders,

Someone did a nice summary of all the changes in the new Christidis and
Boles 2008. Has anyone got a copy (or web link) of those changes?  

(Note that I'm not after the list itself.) 

Cheers,

Tim Dolby




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Subject: Re: Grey Falcon(s), Karratha, WA, 11-05-2008
From: "Graham Turner" <origma AT ozemail.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:53:51 +1000
What a great sighting...Nephurus must be one of the best looking geckos 
around.

Graham Turner

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Waugh" 
To: ; "Jonny Schoenjahn" 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Grey Falcon(s), Karratha, WA, 11-05-2008


> Hi,
>
> After an amazing night of spotlighting looking for reptiles on Saturday
> night I came back from Pannawonica very satisfied (Nepherus wheeleri will 
> do
> that to you, Oh and a Northern Quoll). This satisfaction turned to pure
> exhilaration when just outside of Karratha I noticed 2 birds of prey with
> a very 'grey' feel about them.
> As my thoughts processed what I had seen, three or four seconds later I
> slammed on the brakes, turned back and pulled up in a completely 'safe'
> manner. Two Grey Falcons were circling high over the quarry providing
> sensational views of both the under and upper sides. Very dark primaries
> both on the under and upper sides were the most conspicuous feature at the
> distance I was viewing them at (apart from the pale grey upper parts!).
> After watching the birds for 5 minutes I managed a terrible photo of one 
> of
> the birds.
>
> All the recent rains this area has been having and the fact that the two
> birds were together may suggest some breeding activity was taking place.
> I'll keep an eye out.
>
> Happy birding,
>
> Nathan Waugh
> Karratha, WA
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Subject: Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
From: <Harvey.PERKINS AT Dest.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:29:20 +1000
Hi again,
 
As expected, a variety of possibilities (32 in fact) put forward. Chance
played a very large part in my final five species common to all
states/territories, and the limiting places were very clearly Alice
Springs and the far NW of Tassie. 
 
Part of what intrigued me about the five species when I first noted them
was that they were NOT what I necessarily would have expected myself.
Four are no surprise but the fifth was unexpected (and consequently no
one guessed it).
 
The five are:
 
White-faced Heron
Cattle Egret
Silver Gull
Galah
Grey Butcherbird
 
So special mention goes to Grant Brosie who top-scored with 2 correct
guesses.
 
The following species were nominated as possibles by the 12 respondents:
(number of times nominated in brackets)
 
Black Swan  (1)

Pacific Black Duck  (2)

Little Pied Cormorant  (1)

Australian Pelican  (1)

White-faced Heron  (1)

Great Egret  (1)

Wedge-tailed Eagle  (3)

Brown Falcon  (3)

Nankeen Kestrel  (1)

Eurasian Coot  (2)

Silver Gull  (4)

Caspian Tern  (1)

Galah  (1)

Sulphur-crested Cockatoo  (2)

Pallid Cuckoo  (1)

Southern Boobook  (1)

Tawny Frogmouth  (1)

Owlet Nightjar  (1)

Sacred Kingfisher  (1)

Striated Pardalote  (2)

Yellow-rumped Thornbill  (2)

White-plumed Honeyeater  (1)

Grey Shrike-thrush  (1)

Magpie Lark  (3)

Grey Fantail  (3)

Willie Wagtail  (4)

Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike  (2)

Grey Butcherbird  (1)

Australian Magpie  (6)

Welcome Swallow  (1)

Tree Martin  (1)

Mistletoebird  (2)

 
The comment about Burnie and hinterland (where Australian Magpies are
apparently not real common) was meant to account for its absence from
the group of five - it did received the most nominations (6).
 
Hope some of you had fun - it was fun seeing the responses.
 
Cheers,
 
Harvey
 
Harvey Perkins
Canberra
 
 

Classification: UNOFFICIAL


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Subject: Re: spotlighting and bird's eyes
From: Andrew Taylor <andrewt AT cse.unsw.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:15:54 +1000
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 06:06:32PM +1000, Michelle Plant wrote:
> I cannot think of the name of the filters,
> but they must be fairly common these days... to provide some 
> protection for critters when spotlighting...

Red filters are commonly used on torches/spotlights to reduce disturbance of
mammals and sea turtles.  But turtles and many mammals have less visual
sensitivity in the red part of spectrum than we do.  But I doubt it will
work for most birds - they have broader visual sensitivity than we do.
Unless you go to a night-scope and infra-red illumination.

Andrew
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Subject: Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS
From: "Stephen Ambrose" <stephen AT ambecol.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:31:06 +1000
I also saw a flock of about 20 Zebra Finches at Hickeys Park, Penrith about
four weeks ago. They were seen drinking from a temporary rain pool on the
side of the bicycle track through the park. I'm not sure if they are seen
there regularly, but I suspect they were attracted to the coastal side of
the Range because of the widespread rains and abundance of seeding grasses.

 

Cheers,

Stephen Ambrose

Ryde, NSW

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au
[mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Peter Madvig

Sent: Monday, 12 May 2008 11:12 AM

To: kbrandwood; birdingaus

Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS

 

Following on from Keith and Ed Vella's listings for the Sydney area, I have
a report from Cranebrook north of Penrith of a flock of Apostle birds - how
often do they occur this side of the range??

 

Cheers

Peter Madvig

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "kbrandwood" 

To: "birdingaus" 

Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:18 PM

Subject: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS

 

 

Hello all,  for Sydney Listers had a look for the Pied Butcherbirds which I 

had reported from Wisemans Ferry on two occasions in recent weeks. Didn't 

find any, but saw a group of 10 Blue-faced Honeyeaters.

This is quiet an increase in numbers from previous reports of 5 individuals.


Looks like they could be a regular tick on the County List from now on. The 

valley had 100's of Noisy Friar birds and Musk Lorikeets feeding on 

flowering Swamp Mahogany, but couldn't find any Swift Parrots in amongst 

them. Don't forget the Swift Parrot and Regent Honeyeater survey next 

weekend.

keith b the beautiful Hawkesbury 60km N/W of Sydney

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Subject: Re: Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC
From: "Mike Carter" <pterodroma AT bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:11:43 +1000
It is surprising but true I think, that Kelp Gulls are not frequently seen 
on the coast in SW Victoria. Surprising because there is a thriving breeding 
colony on Lady Julia Percy Island (LJPI) just some 20 km west of Port Fairy. 
10 to 26+ are regularly seen on the Port Fairy pelagics which call there on 
their return legs. Why LJPI? Because there is a huge Seal colony there as 
there is at Seal Rocks off Phillip Island, the only other regular Kelp Gull 
breeding site in Victoria.

Mike Carter
30 Canadian Bay Road
Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
Tel  (03) 9787 7136

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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:30 AM


> I stopped for a coffee at Port Fairy on Friday morning (9 May) on my way 
> to
> a meeting at Heywood and took the opportunity to have a quick look at
> Griffiths Island and the wetlands.
>
> There were seven large gulls which I first thought were Pacific Gulls.
> However, as I got closer I realised that four were actually Kelp Gulls
> (three adults and one immature).  Having recently spent three days staying
> in a shack in Tasmania with 100s of Kelp Gulls for neighbours and with
> three Pacific Gulls (one adult and two immature) for comparison it was
> quite easy to identify the Kelp Gulls, particularly when they began 
> calling
> and displaying.
>
> I haven't seen (or noticed) Kelp Gulls in Victoria before and I don't know
> if they are commonly seen in the Port Fairy area but it may be worth a 
> trip
> if you desperately want to see Kelp Gulls.
>
> David

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Subject: Re: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS
From: "Peter Madvig" <madvig AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:11:34 +1000
Following on from Keith and Ed Vella's listings for the Sydney area, I have 
a report from Cranebrook north of Penrith of a flock of Apostle birds - how 
often do they occur this side of the range??

Cheers
Peter Madvig


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kbrandwood" 
To: "birdingaus" 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS


Hello all,  for Sydney Listers had a look for the Pied Butcherbirds which I 
had reported from Wisemans Ferry on two occasions in recent weeks. Didn't 
find any, but saw a group of 10 Blue-faced Honeyeaters.
This is quiet an increase in numbers from previous reports of 5 individuals. 
Looks like they could be a regular tick on the County List from now on. The 
valley had 100's of Noisy Friar birds and Musk Lorikeets feeding on 
flowering Swamp Mahogany, but couldn't find any Swift Parrots in amongst 
them. Don't forget the Swift Parrot and Regent Honeyeater survey next 
weekend.
keith b the beautiful Hawkesbury 60km N/W of Sydney
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Subject: Re: Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC
From: steveclark AT eftel.net.au
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:53:52 +0800 (WST)
G'day David

(every time one of your emails pops in to my inbox I think its my son
David - he's overseas and doesn't correspond enough)

Kelp Gulls have been breeding on Julia Percy Island for a while now.  I'm
not sure for how long or what their numbers are now but lately, along the
whole south-west coast, I reckon a large gull is just as likely to be a
Kelp Gull as a Pacific Gull.

Cheers
Steve Clark
Hamilton, Victoria

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Subject: Stock routes in Queensland
From: peter crow <corvusp AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:50:28 +1000
Queensland still has an extensive system of stock routes. some are  
good corridors of native vegetation and in spite of 150 years of use  
still are good places to find native grasses and other vegetation.

A government review is currently in hand and there has been a fear  
that many may be closed , sold or leased for full time grazing. A  
coalition of groups including Birds Australia, BOCA, Birds  
Queensland, Queensland Conservation Council, Wildlife Preservation  
Society of Queensland, National Parks Association and many others  
have been working to ensure they are kept and maintained as corridors  
of biodiversity.

A similar campaign is underway in NSW to conserve their remaining  
stock routes.

There has been some success in Queensland as evidenced by the  
Ministers Press release below.

Peter


Minister for Natural Resources and Water and Minister Assisting the  
Premier in North Queensland


The Honourable Craig Wallace
08/05/2008

STOCK ROUTES TO STAY IN QUEENSLAND, SAYS WALLACE

The Queensland Government has no intention to sell off or lease  
Queensland's iconic stock route network - in part or whole, Natural  
Resources and Water Minister Craig Wallace said today.

"Droving stock is alive and well on Queensland's stock routes and  
likely to increase in future as the price of petrol rises," Mr  
Wallace said.

"The Queensland Government strongly supports these vital livestock  
routes - the so-called 'long paddock' - which covers 2.6 million  
hectares and runs for 72,000 kilometres," he said.

As well as servicing the pastoral industry, stock routes have a role  
in protecting biodiversity.

Mr Wallace said last year the government established a Stock Route  
Assessment Panel to the review the management and use of stock routes.

"The panel has only recently completed the report and has provided it  
to me," Mr Wallace said.

"I will look at this report in detail and announce the government's  
response to this report when that process is completed," he said.

"However, I can say that this government has no intention to sell off  
or lease the stock route in part or in whole.

"We are likely to see more, not less, stockmen and stockwomen droving  
mobs down stock routes in Queensland."

Recent media reports have called on the Queensland Government not to  
sell or lease parts of the stock route.

The Stock Route Assessment Panel included representatives from local  
government, cattle industry representatives nominated by Agforce  
Queensland, the Drovers Association and Land Protection Council members.

Media inquiries: Paul Childs, Craig Wallace's office, on 0407 131 654
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Subject: Kelp Gulls - Port Fairy, VIC
From: David.Clark AT dpcd.vic.gov.au
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:30:05 +1000



I stopped for a coffee at Port Fairy on Friday morning (9 May) on my way to
a meeting at Heywood and took the opportunity to have a quick look at
Griffiths Island and the wetlands.

There were seven large gulls which I first thought were Pacific Gulls.
However, as I got closer I realised that four were actually Kelp Gulls
(three adults and one immature).  Having recently spent three days staying
in a shack in Tasmania with 100s of Kelp Gulls for neighbours and with
three Pacific Gulls (one adult and two immature) for comparison it was
quite easy to identify the Kelp Gulls, particularly when they began calling
and displaying.

I haven't seen (or noticed) Kelp Gulls in Victoria before and I don't know
if they are commonly seen in the Port Fairy area but it may be worth a trip
if you desperately want to see Kelp Gulls.

Regards

David

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Subject: Grey Falcon(s), Karratha, WA, 11-05-2008
From: "Nathan Waugh" <nathan.waugh AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:24:09 +0800
Hi,

After an amazing night of spotlighting looking for reptiles on Saturday
night I came back from Pannawonica very satisfied (Nepherus wheeleri will do
that to you, Oh and a Northern Quoll). This satisfaction turned to pure
exhilaration when just outside of Karratha I noticed 2 birds of prey with
a very 'grey' feel about them.
As my thoughts processed what I had seen, three or four seconds later I
slammed on the brakes, turned back and pulled up in a completely 'safe'
manner. Two Grey Falcons were circling high over the quarry providing
sensational views of both the under and upper sides. Very dark primaries
both on the under and upper sides were the most conspicuous feature at the
distance I was viewing them at (apart from the pale grey upper parts!).
After watching the birds for 5 minutes I managed a terrible photo of one of
the birds.

All the recent rains this area has been having and the fact that the two
birds were together may suggest some breeding activity was taking place.
I'll keep an eye out.

Happy birding,

Nathan Waugh
Karratha, WA
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Subject: RE: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration(racing pigeons)
From: Carol Probets <origma AT lisp.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:48:58 +1000
Topknot Pigeons are surprisingly rare in the Blue Mountains, in fact 
I'm only aware of one sighting - the one seen by Evan Beaver last 
year at Blaxland. Like Arwen, I also saw a large tight flock of 
pigeons on the weekend going over my house at Katoomba. My first 
thought was "Are they Topknots?" but on looking closer realised they 
were just racing pigeons. Must have been the weekend for them to be 
out.

Cheers,
Carol


At 8:05 AM +1000 12/5/08, Arwen B. Ximenes wrote:
>Dear Kurtis,
>Thanks for your suggestion, I hadn't thought of that - although I 
>think they're unlikely to be Topknots in the Blue Mountains 
>(although I may stand corrected). From your comparison of the flight 
>of these two birds I would think they were Ferals. cheers, Arwen
>
>......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes
>Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com > From: 
>littleheath1 AT bigpond.com> To: arwenbx AT hotmail.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Birding-Aus] Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater 
>migration(racing pigeons)> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:20:54 +1000> > 
>Arwen,> > Are you sure the Pigeons weren't Topknots?> These guys can 
>form pretty tight, large flocks and fly around in circles > quite 
>high in the sky.> From a distance their colouration depicts the 
>'bluebar' colouration of Feral > Pigeon, Topknots are generally 
>longer, with larger tails and fly at a slower > speed than the 
>Ferals.> > Kurtis Lindsay> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 
>"Arwen B. Ximenes" > To: 
>; > Cc: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:37 PM> 
>Subject: [Birding-Aus] Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater > 
>migration(racing pigeons)> > > > yes, thanks. Indeed this makes a 
>lot of sense, though I don't know anything > about the sport - I 
>have seen utes squished full of pigeons around from time > to time, 
>one not long ago - and I did wonder... incidentally, today's > 
>pigeons were probably the 'blue bar' type.> It's rather a relief 
>they're not 'wild' because there were a lot of > them!btw - Happy 
>Mother's Day to all the 'hens' out there.> A> 
>......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes> 
>Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com > Date: Sun, 11 May 
>2008 > 13:44:42 +1000> To: arwenbx AT hotmail.com> From: 
>abbt AT optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Amazing birding 
>experiences - honeyeater > migration> > > > Sounds like racing 
>pigeons> > Andy> > > > > >Carol, this > makes more sense to me now 
>because the first flocks of > >migrating > honeyeaters I saw (at 
>Lawson, approx. 15 kms east of > >Katoomba) were > heading west. 
>Then there seemed to be a shift > >northwards for a while, now > 
>they seem to be heading in both > >directions (I guess it just 
>depends when > you're looking out the > >window - some have been 
>going south too - go > figure!) I thought they > >would have started 
>petering out by now - I'm > going to miss them when > >they do. They 
>like stopping off to feed in our > Banksias (spinifolia, > >I 
>think), so it would be nice to plant some more.> > >> >While we're 
>on flocks - this morning we saw flocks of 100 or so > >Feral > 
>Pigeons flying over Bullaburra and Lawson - they didn't seem > >to 
>have any > particular goal, just swooping around up high in 
>fairly > >tight formations. > Any idea what that's 
>about?> >cheers,> >Arwen> > >......................................... 
>Arwen Blackwood Ximenes> >Lawson, > Blue Mountains, 
>NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com> >
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Subject: RE: sick currawong - white feet
From: "storm" <miss_megan AT bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:44:58 +1000
Your bird has scaly mite. You might be able to get ivermectin to dose the
bird with. If you email me directly I am happy to discuss this with you.

I am in Lewisham

cheers
storm

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Importance: High


Hi there

I've had a Currawong come to my balcony for the past 18-24 months.  When it
first came around it's feet looked like it was covered in mulched newspaper.
It was small then and apart from the feet looked healthy otherwise.

Well in the past week it is back again since last seeing it last year, it
must be fully grown as it's a lot bigger now.  However it still has the
horrible feet and although it's not as thick, it's seemed to cope over the
past 2 years.  I live in Canterbury NSW.  Unfortunately I can't catch it
however it does let me close enough sometimes to hand feed it rye bread
(that's with hand stretched out).

Is there anything I can do or put in my tray for it to eat/drink?

I googled and found the thread from Caroline Kelly in March 2007.

Thanks
Regards
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Subject: Re: NSW - A weekend of Sydney rarities - 10 to 11th May 2008
From: Carol Probets <origma AT lisp.com.au>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:40:01 +1000
Hi Edwin and all,

Re the Blue-faced Honeyeaters in western Sydney, Sandra Boxsell has 
also been seeing them periodically at Cranebrook near Penrith for the 
past few years. I included an item about this with one of Sandra's 
photos last year on my website:

http://www.bmbirding.com.au/news3.html#blueys

Cheers,

Carol




At 6:27 PM +1000 11/5/08, Edwin Vella wrote:
>
>It all first started at home in Seven Hills when just before I 
>headed out shopping, I heard the distinct whistling call of a 
>BLUE-FACED HONEYEATER, and I was soon observing an adult perching on 
>an antennae on the roof of the people behind us. Wow great to get a 
>rarity from your own backyard and a great way to start the weekend 
>too! Blue-faced Honeyeaters appear to be resident in only one spot 
>in Sydney that being at Wisemans Ferry area (approx. 80 km NW of 
>Sydney CBD) on the north-western outskirts of Sydney and 
>occassionally turn up in other parts of the Hawkesbury (Keith 
>Brandwood has seen some of the later birds) but in due course may 
>become well established in other parts of Sydney.
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Subject: sick currawong - white feet
From: "Carolyn Watkins" <carokiwi AT dodo.com.au>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:58:45 +1000
Hi there

I've had a Currawong come to my balcony for the past 18-24 months. When it 
first came around it's feet looked like it was covered in mulched newspaper. It 
was small then and apart from the feet looked healthy otherwise. 


Well in the past week it is back again since last seeing it last year, it must 
be fully grown as it's a lot bigger now. However it still has the horrible feet 
and although it's not as thick, it's seemed to cope over the past 2 years. I 
live in Canterbury NSW. Unfortunately I can't catch it however it does let me 
close enough sometimes to hand feed it rye bread (that's with hand stretched 
out). 


Is there anything I can do or put in my tray for it to eat/drink?

I googled and found the thread from Caroline Kelly in March 2007.

Thanks
Regards
Carolyn Watkins


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Subject: ABC 702 Sydney this morning
From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:08:08 +1000
hi
just a quick note to let ppl know that Deborah Cameron will be interviewing a 
twitcher this morning - I didn't catch the name but most of you probably know 
who he is - he's got 6000+ species on his list. I also didn't catch what time, 
but her program is from 8.30 - 11am. You can probably listen to it live on the 
internet elsewhere.Arwen 

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Subject: Australia Land of Parrots to be repeated 4pm Saturday
From: "Billinghurst, David \(RTATECH\)" <David.Billinghurst AT riotinto.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:14:18 +1000
According to an ABC TV promo a few minutes ago, Australia Land of
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Subject: RE: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration(racing pigeons)
From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:05:33 +1000
Dear Kurtis,
Thanks for your suggestion, I hadn't thought of that - although I think they're 
unlikely to be Topknots in the Blue Mountains (although I may stand corrected). 
From your comparison of the flight of these two birds I would think they were 
Ferals. cheers, Arwen 

 
......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes 
Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com > From: 
littleheath1 AT bigpond.com> To: arwenbx AT hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] 
Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration(racing pigeons)> Date: Sun, 
11 May 2008 18:20:54 +1000> > Arwen,> > Are you sure the Pigeons weren't 
Topknots?> These guys can form pretty tight, large flocks and fly around in 
circles > quite high in the sky.> From a distance their colouration depicts the 
'bluebar' colouration of Feral > Pigeon, Topknots are generally longer, with 
larger tails and fly at a slower > speed than the Ferals.> > Kurtis Lindsay> > 
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" > 
To: ; > Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:37 PM> Subject: 
[Birding-Aus] Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater > migration(racing 
pigeons)> > > > yes, thanks. Indeed this makes a lot of sense, though I don't 
know anything > about the sport - I have seen utes squished full of pigeons 
around from time > to time, one not long ago - and I did wonder... 
incidentally, today's > pigeons were probably the 'blue bar' type.> It's rather 
a relief they're not 'wild' because there were a lot of > them!btw - Happy 
Mother's Day to all the 'hens' out there.> A> 
......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes> Lawson, Blue 
Mountains, NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 > 13:44:42 +1000> 
To: arwenbx AT hotmail.com> From: abbt AT optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: 
[Birding-Aus] Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater > migration> > > > 
Sounds like racing pigeons> > Andy> > > > > >Carol, this > makes more sense to 
me now because the first flocks of > >migrating > honeyeaters I saw (at Lawson, 
approx. 15 kms east of > >Katoomba) were > heading west. Then there seemed to 
be a shift > >northwards for a while, now > they seem to be heading in both > 
>directions (I guess it just depends when > you're looking out the > >window - 
some have been going south too - go > figure!) I thought they > >would have 
started petering out by now - I'm > going to miss them when > >they do. They 
like stopping off to feed in our > Banksias (spinifolia, > >I think), so it 
would be nice to plant some more.> > >> >While we're on flocks - this morning 
we saw flocks of 100 or so > >Feral > Pigeons flying over Bullaburra and Lawson 
- they didn't seem > >to have any > particular goal, just swooping around up 
high in fairly > >tight formations. > Any idea what that's about?> >cheers,> 
>Arwen> > >......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes> 
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Subject: NSW - A weekend of Sydney rarities - 10 to 11th May 20008
From: "Edwin Vella" <evella AT ozemail.com.au>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:27:34 +1000
I was fortunate to observe 3 Sydney rarites over this weekend.

It all first started at home in Seven Hills when just before I headed out 
shopping, I heard the distinct whistling call of a BLUE-FACED HONEYEATER, and I 
was soon observing an adult perching on an antennae on the roof of the people 
behind us. Wow great to get a rarity from your own backyard and a great way to 
start the weekend too! Blue-faced Honeyeaters appear to be resident in only one 
spot in Sydney that being at Wisemans Ferry area (approx. 80 km NW of Sydney 
CBD) on the north-western outskirts of Sydney and occassionally turn up in 
other parts of the Hawkesbury (Keith Brandwood has seen some of the later 
birds) but in due course may become well established in other parts of Sydney. 


Also that afternoon as I was doing a few chores around the home, one of our 
local Peregrine Falcons (this being the small male) was doing 2 rounds over me 
(they appear to fly past every half hour) over our backyard in Seven Hills. 
There were also several Musk Lorikeets around our place. 


On Sunday morning I did a few hours birding at Laughtondale Gully near Wisemans 
Ferry where I was able to add to my Sydney list a PIED BUTCHERBIRD. Keith 
Brandwood had 2 here about 2 months ago. Like the Blue-faced Honeyeater these 
may also become established in Sydney over time. Also at Laughtondale Gully 
this morning was a Chestnut-rumped Heathwren (great views), at least 10 
Bar-shouldered Dove and loads of honeyeaters (and I mean loads) including Red 
and Little Wattlebirds, Noisy Friarbirds, Brown-headed, Yellow-tufted, 
White-eared, Yellow-faced, Fuscous, New-Holland and White-cheeked Honeyeaters 
and Eastern Spinebills. 


On my way up to Laughtondale Gully, I saw a White-headed Pigeon perched on 
powerlines (and calling) at Cornelia (between Cattai and Laughtondale Gully) 
and there were several Jacky Winters in the area. 


And finally during a family picnic this afternoon at Nurraging Reserve (near 
Blacktown approx. 40 km west of Sydney CBD) I had some SWIFT PARROTS and 
several Musk Lorikeets about. The Blacktown area is probably visted by Swift 
Parrots almost anually and it certainly worth keeping your eyes and ears open 
if driving through the area. Musk Lorikeets are common in this area also at the 
moment. 


I had a good wekend indeed.

Edwin Vella

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Subject: BLUE-FACED HONEYEATERS
From: "kbrandwood" <kbrandwood AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:18:06 +1000
Hello all, for Sydney Listers had a look for the Pied Butcherbirds which I had 
reported from Wisemans Ferry on two occasions in recent weeks. Didn't find any, 
but saw a group of 10 Blue-faced Honeyeaters. 

This is quiet an increase in numbers from previous reports of 5 individuals. 
Looks like they could be a regular tick on the County List from now on. The 
valley had 100's of Noisy Friar birds and Musk Lorikeets feeding on flowering 
Swamp Mahogany, but couldn't find any Swift Parrots in amongst them. Don't 
forget the Swift Parrot and Regent Honeyeater survey next weekend. 

keith b the beautiful Hawkesbury 60km N/W of Sydney
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Subject: re: Keys to Cheetham Salt-works, Adelaide SA
From: "Kevin and Lizzie" <dikkops AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:58:24 +0930
Unfortunately, as well as the problem of birders not returning keys, the
records are not necessarily the best (which is understandable as those in
Cheetham's office do have real jobs to do). I know this because shortly
after Dean's experience in April, the company did try to phone those
recorded as holding keys, which included me for a key I returned in
January.

As with other respondents, I would favour any system which ensures that
Cheetham's Salt continue to allow access to the site as at present.

Kevin Stracey
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Subject: Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:20:50 +1000
Hi All,
Just back from our weekly Sunday afternoon walk around Ulverstone.   
While we were out, we came upon some of our common, but feral Rainbow  
Lorikeets - quite alarming how they've been breeding up, and the  
government authorities are keeping an eye on them, as regards impact  
on competition with Swift Parrots.  The highlight, though, was a  
flock of 52 Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoos.  It's been a great season  
for them this year, with large numbers being seen quite regularly.

John Tongue,
Ulverstone, Tas.

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Subject: Maitland Birding
From: Grant Brosie <pictorella AT yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:50:55 -0700 (PDT)
Everyone,

Spent the morning birding around Walka Water Works, Maitland, NSW. This is a 
great spot with a large body of water surrounded by reed beds and eucalypts. 

First highlight was a Grey Goshawk keeping a watchful eye from an electricity 
pole on the road in. Shame the light was on the wrong side as it would have 
made a great pic. 

There are many young Great-crested Grebe on the lake at the moment in various 
phases of plumage. There seemed to be more Chestnut Teal then usual and I 
couldn't find a single Musk Duck. 

In the grass Red-browed Finches and 12 Goldfinches fed while Tree Martins 
swooped from above. Several Reed Warblers were seen and heard, aren't they 
migratory? 

The eucalypts on the western shore was alive with large mixed feeding flocks. 
One such flock contained the following: 

10 Double-barred Finch
2 Yellow-rumped Thornbill
5 Yellow Thornbill
2 Grey Fantail
7 Superb Fairy-wren
2 Rose Robin
3 Willie Wagtail
10+ Yellow-faced Honeyeater
2 Silvereye

As I walked further around 2 Blackbirds shot across the path, a new bird for my 
Walka list. Yellow-tailed Black-cockatoo and Long-billed Corella flew over 
calling, and in the understory White-browed Scrubwrens and Yellow Robin were 
just as noisy. 


Very enjoyable morning with 54 species recorded around the lake.

Cheers,
Grant Brosie
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Subject: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration (racing pigeons)
From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:37:52 +1000
yes, thanks. Indeed this makes a lot of sense, though I don't know anything 
about the sport - I have seen utes squished full of pigeons around from time to 
time, one not long ago - and I did wonder... incidentally, today's pigeons were 
probably the 'blue bar' type. 

It's rather a relief they're not 'wild' because there were a lot of them!btw - 
Happy Mother's Day to all the 'hens' out there. 

A
......................................... Arwen Blackwood Ximenes 
Lawson, Blue Mountains, NSWarwenbx AT hotmail.com > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 
13:44:42 +1000> To: arwenbx AT hotmail.com> From: abbt AT optusnet.com.au> Subject: 
Re: [Birding-Aus] Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration> > > > 
Sounds like racing pigeons> > Andy> > > > > >Carol, this makes more sense to me 
now because the first flocks of > >migrating honeyeaters I saw (at Lawson, 
approx. 15 kms east of > >Katoomba) were heading west. Then there seemed to be 
a shift > >northwards for a while, now they seem to be heading in both > 
>directions (I guess it just depends when you're looking out the > >window - 
some have been going south too - go figure!) I thought they > >would have 
started petering out by now - I'm going to miss them when > >they do. They like 
stopping off to feed in our Banksias (spinifolia, > >I think), so it would be 
nice to plant some more.> >> >While we're on flocks - this morning we saw 
flocks of 100 or so > >Feral Pigeons flying over Bullaburra and Lawson - they 
didn't seem > >to have any particular goal, just swooping around up high in 
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Subject: Re: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:13:47 +1000
Hi Arwen,
Could the pigeons be racing pigeons?  Owners let them out most days  
for exercise, and they fly around 'aimlessly' in tight groups.

John Tongue
Ulverstone, TAs.

On 11/05/2008, at 12:56 PM, Arwen B. Ximenes wrote:

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> Carol, this makes more sense to me now because the first flocks of  
> migrating honeyeaters I saw (at Lawson, approx. 15 kms east of  
> Katoomba) were heading west. Then there seemed to be a shift  
> northwards for a while, now they seem to be heading in both  
> directions (I guess it just depends when you're looking out the  
> window - some have been going south too - go figure!) I thought  
> they would have started petering out by now - I'm going to miss  
> them when they do. They like stopping off to feed in our Banksias  
> (spinifolia, I think), so it would be nice to plant some more.
>
> While we're on flocks - this morning we saw flocks of 100 or so  
> Feral Pigeons flying over Bullaburra and Lawson - they didn't seem  
> to have any particular goal, just swooping around up high in fairly  
> tight formations. Any idea what that's about?
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Subject: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration
From: "Arwen B. Ximenes" <arwenbx AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:56:42 +1000
Carol, this makes more sense to me now because the first flocks of migrating 
honeyeaters I saw (at Lawson, approx. 15 kms east of Katoomba) were heading 
west. Then there seemed to be a shift northwards for a while, now they seem to 
be heading in both directions (I guess it just depends when you're looking out 
the window - some have been going south too - go figure!) I thought they would 
have started petering out by now - I'm going to miss them when they do. They 
like stopping off to feed in our Banksias (spinifolia, I think), so it would be 
nice to plant some more. 

 
While we're on flocks - this morning we saw flocks of 100 or so Feral Pigeons 
flying over Bullaburra and Lawson - they didn't seem to have any particular 
goal, just swooping around up high in fairly tight formations. Any idea what 
that's about? 

cheers,
Arwen
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Subject: Re: Amazing birding experiences - honeyeater migration
From: Carol Probets <origma AT lisp.com.au>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:34:57 +1000
In a message to Birding-Aus on 4/5/08, Paul Dodd wrote of the 
Yellow-faced and White-naped Honeyeater migration on the south coast 
of Victoria:
"This really should be one of those 'must-do' experiences for 
birders, I think. It is absolutely incredible to see these birds in 
such numbers - and to see them in such a continuous stream."

Indeed it is! This year in Katoomba, NSW, the migration has been 
happening steadily but numbers have been relatively low. On many days 
I've had flocks of 50 or so going over my house every few minutes 
throughout the morning hours, but none of the really phenomenal days 
that I've had in some years (e.g. autumn 2006 when I estimated up to 
7500 birds per hour flying over my house).

What is interesting is that many of the honeyeaters seem to be flying 
west this year, rather than a purely northwards movement. Perhaps an 
indication that this will be a good inland year here in 
central-eastern NSW. The growing honeyeater activity in the Capertee 
Valley at the moment backs this up.

Cheers,

Carol

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Subject: Peregrine nest webcam
From: "Dave Torr" <davidtorr AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 07:37:46 +1000
A friend of mine in England sent me this link - you need to allow for the
time difference of course

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Subject: Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
From: Mick Roderick <mickhhb AT yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
My turn...
Your mentioning of the Tas hinterland must've been for a reason...and that's 
why I've thrown in Striated Pardalote. 48 spp. in 24 hours in the Alice must've 
figured in a visit to some kind of wetland...hence I'm chucking in (Eastern) 
Great Egret and Aussie Pelican (both are outsiders and Silver Gull was just too 
good to be true but it is hard to leave out as it sounds like you've been to 
coastal areas in WA, Tas and SA). There also have to be some already suggested 
species that you've missed (such as Welcome Swallow and Magpie in the NT). And 
just cos I think you would've seen these, I'm adding Grey Fantail and 
Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike. 

So, my stab is:
Grey Fantail
Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike
Striated Pardalote
Eastern Great Egret
Aussie Pelican
Mick R



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Subject: [Birding-Aus] common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

Hi all,

An unexpected last-minute business trip to Alice Springs a week ago
means I have finally made it to every state and mainland territory of
Australia. I was only there for 24 hours, but managed to clock up 48
species (none new unfortunately, but every single one new for my NT
List!). With luck I'll get around to putting in a brief trip report, but
for now I'll just say that it highlighted an interesting observation:

Out of my 547 Australian species, there are only five that I have seen
in each of the states/territories (ie ACT, NSW, QLD, VIC, TAS, SA, WA
and NT).

Anyone care to guess which five species they might be?

(Should note that I've covered ACT, NSW, QLD, and VIC fairly well, have
visited SE part of SA and SW of WA a few times, have been to Burnie
(TAS) and hinterland briefly, and of course my 24 hours in Alice is my
total experience of NT so far.)


Harvey Perkins
Canberra

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Subject: Re: Sydney Olympic Park
From: "Darryl McKay" <sternaalbifrons AT unwired.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:19:22 +1000
Most likely Nutmeg Mannikin (Spice Finch).

Darryl McKay
Bankstown
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  Subject: [Birding-Aus] Sydney Olympic Park



  Hi Everyone,

 An afternoon cycle/birdwatch with mum at Sydney Olympic Park this afternoon 
produced some nice birds and an unusual sighting. The first stop was the Brick 
pit. There were the usual waterbirds: Chestnut Teal, Australasian Grebe, 
Eurasian Coot, etc, etc. A short break at a large pond off Wentworth Common had 
a nice Black Swan, a Royal Spoonbill with some Ibis, Hardhead and some Dusky 
Moorhen's. Near the entrance to Wentworth Common on the NE side a small flock 
of brown finches stopped us. They flew into some dry reeds and didn't show 
themselves for about 2 minutes. When they became brave enough to fight each 
other on the stems of the reeds I was able to have a good look. I was surprised 
to see that they weren't Sparrows but more like Mannikins they had quite 
triangular black beaks and a completely light, brown plumage, almost the same 
colour as the reeds. I watched them for a while and was convinced that there 
was no difference in male and female plumage. A mystery, your ideas would be 
greatly appreciated. 

 >From there we spotted a couple of Goldfinches around the birdhide at the 
Waterbird Refuge and on the lake the birds included: Black-winged Stilt, 
Pelican's, Royal Spoonbill's, Red-necked Avocet's, a pair of Black Swan's, 
Black-fronted Dotterel, Chestnut and Grey Teal and a couple of White-faced 
Heron's. We then headed back and didn't really see anything until we had just 
come off the Brickpit walk. A Peregrine Falcon swooped down from a tall 
beam-tower into some fenced off trees. I could make out the speckled breast and 
black face mask. 


  So, I nice ending to a beautiful day.

  Max.
  Sydney...

 P.S. The mystery Mannikins looked like juv. Chestnut-breasted Mannikins, but 
with darker beaks. 




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Subject: Re: common bird quiz
From: John Tongue <jspk AT iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:02:44 +1000
Hi Carla et al,
Willy Wagtail and Sacred Kingfisher not in Tas.  Seems to be the Tas  
possibilities that are stumping most.

John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas.


On 10/05/2008, at 5:51 PM, Jackett family wrote:

> More guesses,
>
> Willie Wagtail, Yellow-rumped Thornbill, Sacred Kingfisher, Owlet  
> nightjar, Southern boobook
>
> Carla Jackett
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Subject: common bird quiz
From: "Jackett family" <whipbird AT bigpond.net.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:51:13 +1000
More guesses,

Willie Wagtail, Yellow-rumped Thornbill, Sacred Kingfisher, Owlet nightjar, 
Southern boobook 


Carla Jackett
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Subject: Re: spotlighting and bird's eyes
From: "Michelle Plant" <michelleplant AT bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:06:32 +1000
I cannot think of the name of the filters, but they must be fairly common 
these days... to provide some protection for critters when spotlighting... 
does anyone else know the name of the top of their heads??


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Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] spotlighting and bird's eyes


> Ashwin....This subject was discussed last year on birding-aus. Someone (I
> can't remember who) reproduced a discussion of this very question by
> Professor Jack Pettigrew from University of Queensland who has studied the
> physiology of bird vision. If I recall, the bottom line was that birds are
> able to withstand the effects of bright light much better than we are, but 
> I
> suggest you check the archives and read his enlightened comments for
> yourself.
> Steve Murray
>
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> Sent: Saturday, 10 May 2008 11:38 AM
> To: birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] spotlighting and bird's eyes
>
> g'day
>
> i was spotlighting some White-throated Nightjars last October, when i 
> began
> to wonder what the bright beams of spotlights actually do to nightbirds, 
> and
> just bird in genral, eyes.
> when humans look into a bright light for too long, they suffer permanent 
> or
> temporary eyesight damage. I was wondering if this is the same for night
> birds?
> also, is there a difference in damage between different bulbs, eg LED,
> Xenon, Krypton, etc?
> Which is easier for spotlighting and identification, as well?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ashwin
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:40:49 +0800
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Subject: High levels of contamination in urban Peregrines
From: L&L Knight <l.knight AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:29:36 +1000
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-me-birds9-2008may09,0,2326133.story 


Peregrine falcons in California's urban areas are contaminated with  
toxic chemicals
The birds were endangered by DDT in the '70s. Now, scientists have  
found that falcons in cities including Los Angeles contain record-high  
levels of flame retardant.

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Subject: RE: spotlighting and bird's eyes
From: "Steve" <smurray AT uqconnect.net>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:04:20 +1000
Ashwin....This subject was discussed last year on birding-aus. Someone (I
can't remember who) reproduced a discussion of this very question by
Professor Jack Pettigrew from University of Queensland who has studied the
physiology of bird vision. If I recall, the bottom line was that birds are
able to withstand the effects of bright light much better than we are, but I
suggest you check the archives and read his enlightened comments for
yourself.
Steve Murray

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Subject: [Birding-Aus] spotlighting and bird's eyes

g'day

i was spotlighting some White-throated Nightjars last October, when i began
to wonder what the bright beams of spotlights actually do to nightbirds, and
just bird in genral, eyes.
when humans look into a bright light for too long, they suffer permanent or
temporary eyesight damage. I was wondering if this is the same for night
birds?
also, is there a difference in damage between different bulbs, eg LED,
Xenon, Krypton, etc?
Which is easier for spotlighting and identification, as well?

Thanks in advance,

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Subject: spotlighting and bird's eyes
From: "Ashwin Rudder" <noisypitta AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:38:23 +1000
g'day

i was spotlighting some White-throated Nightjars last October, when i began
to wonder what the bright beams of spotlights actually do to nightbirds, and
just bird in genral, eyes.
when humans look into a bright light for too long, they suffer permanent or
temporary eyesight damage. I was wondering if this is the same for night
birds?
also, is there a difference in damage between different bulbs, eg LED,
Xenon, Krypton, etc?
Which is easier for spotlighting and identification, as well?

Thanks in advance,

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Subject: RE: Re: Local extinction!
From: Peter Ewin <sittella AT hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:23:39 +1000
I should have been away but have been at a workshop discussing climate changes 
and its potential impacts on biodiversity - scary stuff. 

 
I have been tempted to respond in the past to the various discussions of 
birding databases and the various Atlas databases but have usually just 
remained an interested spectator. However, the discussion below by Martin 
raises some interesting points and so I thought I should contribute this time. 

 
The main advantage I believe of contributing records to a state government 
database is that is the where decisions on conservation issues are usually 
being made. 

 
As Martin says, NSW has the Atlas of NSW Wildlife (based pretty well on the 
Victorian model) and this has been going for nearly 20 years. This is the 
database I contribute my records to (mainly because I have been involved in the 
development and distribution of the database in the past). However, since I now 
live in Victoria (but work in NSW) I have got a Victorian Atlas book for the 
odd interesting record I make in Vic (yes Martin I will send them in 
eventually). I usually only contribute records of threatened species to the 
database, but I will also usually record a list of species seen in the same 
vicinity (including ferals) to get an idea of the common species (I am certain 
I have commented previously that unless you record common things you never have 
an idea of what is declining or incresing). Exceptions to this are if I am 
visiting a new reserve (or having an extended stay in a previously visited one) 
or doing sytematic survey as part of my work (then everything gets recorded). 
We try to get most surveys that DECC does incorporated this way, but it doesn't 
always work out that way (everyone thinks that their own database is the best 
for their owjn project). It also includes lots of published records, records 
from consultants (who should be supplying the data as part of their Scientific 
Licence) and from the public. It also has 'licensed' from other bodies 
(Australian Museum, CSIRO) though these are only made available to staff using 
the database (the web-based application does not include these records). There 
have been licences in the past with SA (to be updated soon) and I think some 
discussion has been had with Victoria so we have records in these states for 
areas adjoining NSW, and we have an agreement in the past with Birds Australia 
(though this has not been updated and is a major limitation in the dataset we 
have). 

Going back to my original point, however, is that the Atlas is being used to 
drive decisions by DECC (and others) for biodiversity in NSW. Examples include: 


It is the main dataset used by consultants during the development process. 
There is no legal requirement for them to consult any records, but the Atlas is 
the minimum that we would require. Many consult other places (Museum, BA, etc.) 
but this list is ever-grwoing and there is only so much time and money that 
consultants have to spend on searches. 

For processes such as the determing the distribution of threatened species for 
native vegetation management (and biobanking) it is the main dataset (along 
with some specialists knowledge) utilised (including predicting areas of 
potential habitat). 

Other decisions on targeted threatened species management (such as areas for 
fox control, reserve design, forestry harvesting) are also based on Atlas 
records. 

The Atlas of NSW Wildlife is a crucial dataset that would mean that DECC would 
not be able to do many of its required functions if the dataset was not 
available. I understand that many of the other databases serve a function 
(personal lists, twitching locations, etc.) but I would encourage people in NSW 
(and Victoria) to contribute their records to the state database. The site 
listed below should have a link to a spreadsheet that allows submission of 
records electronically (the preferred format) but excel or database format data 
can be accepted as long as it has the essential information (what, where, when 
and who as a minimum). I know many people contribute to the BA Atlas and I hope 
our head office people are close to resolving the issue of data exchange so 
that double handling is not required, but if you submit data electronically (or 
have digital records for NSW) send the Wildlife Data Unit an e-mail and 
hopefully they can get your data into the Atlas. 

 
Cheers,
Peter> To: pshute AT nuw.org.au> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Re: Local extinction!> 
From: Martin.O'Brien AT dse.vic.gov.au> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:02:28 +1000> CC: 
birding-aus AT vicnet.net.au> > Hi Peter, good questions!> > This is my 
understanding of the various fauna databases available to > naturalists to 
submit their data. As far as I'm aware only certain > eastern Australian states 
have any form of fauna atlas. Victoria has had > its atlas (Atlas of Victorian 
Wildlife) for about 30 years now.> > As you can see there are a number of bird 
related databases but only a few > of these record all details associated with 
sightings of fauna and have > associated mapping systems and analysis tools so 
wildlife can be managed > by the relevant land manager agency.> > As a 
Victorian I send most of my observations to the Atlas of Victorian > Wildlife 
(AVW), but while travelling anywhere interstate I send data to > the Birds 
Australia Atlas. In addition there are sometimes specific > projects that use 
BA atlas forms (eg. the Victorian Lurg Woodland Bird > Survey) that I sue for 
those projects. My atlas for most sightings is the > AVW as one almost always 
sees other fauna when out birding (mammals, > frogs, reptiles, crays etc). I 
recommend the AVW for those who do most of > their birding in Victoria 
(especially if you record other fauna as well) > but understand some people are 
happy with using the Birds Australia > BirdData method of lodging their 
sightings directly.> > Link: Birds Australia BirdData - > 
http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/our-projects/atlas-birdata.html> > It's worth 
being aware that Birds Australia has a data exchange agreement > with the Atlas 
of Victorian Wildlife which means that each database swaps > its avifauna 
information with the other. So reporting to the AVW means > your sightings 
eventually get into the BA database.> > I've generated the following 
information showing the current state > government fauna databases and, where 
these do not exist, the relevant > birding group sightings web pages.> > a. 
Australia> Birds Australia Atlas - Australia wide coverage, birds only> Link: 
http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/resources/databases.html> > b. Queensland> 
Environment Protection Agency (Qld) - Coastal Bird Atlas, Queensland > coastal 
birds only> Link: > 
http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/wetlandinfo/site/MappingFandD/ContributeData/CoastalBirdAtlas.html> 
> c. New South Wales> NSW National Parks & Wildlife Department - NSW only, all 
fauna> Link: > 
http://wildlifeatlas.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/wildlifeatlas/watlas.jsp> > d. 
Victoria> Department of Sustainability & Environment - Victoria only, all 
fauna> Link: [in preparation] (email: biodiversity.info AT dse.vic.gov.au)> Note: 
currently available on CD-ROM and known as Victorian Fauna Display > (see: 
http://www.viridans.com/FISVFD/VFD1.HTM)> > e. ACT> Canberra Ornithologists 
Group - ACT only, birds only> Link: http://canberrabirds.org.au/Index.htm> > f. 
Tasmania (books only)> University of Tasmania, Fauna of Tasmania - various 
animal groups> Link: http://www.zoo.utas.edu.au/FOT2/BookletFOT.htm> > g. South 
Australia> Birds South Australia, SA only, birds only> Link: 
http://www.birdssa.asn.au/> > h. Western Australia> Birds Australia WA - WA 
only, birds only> Link: http://www.birdswa.com.au/sightings.htm> > i. Northern 
Territory> Birds Australia Atlas 2 - NT, birds only> Link: 
http://birds.rhyme.com.au/> > Hope this helps ... and of course interested to 
hear what I may have > missed !> > cheers, Martin> > Martin O'Brien> Wildlife 
Biologist - Threatened Species & Communities Section> Department of 
Sustainability and Environment> 2/8 Nicholson St.,> East Melbourne 3002> 
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Subject: Regent Honeyeaters.
From: "Bruce Cox" <sitella AT optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:14:45 +1000
Hello Birding-aussers,

Yesterday three friends and I visited the Capertee Valley in near perfect 
weather for a day of recreational birding, we had also decided to look for the 
Regent Honeyeaters reported just south of Port Macquarie Rd. We failed to see 
them at that location but did find about 6 birds (some by call) in the bed of 
the Capertee River about 300 metres north of the bridge on Glenowlan Rd. The 
birds seen were hawking for insects above a pool in the river. 


We heard Regents at the Port Macquarie Rd. location calling from woodland to 
the east of the Glen Helen to Rylstone Rd. so they are still around that 
location, we just couldn't see them. 


Bruce.
  
Bruce Cox on Sydney's Northern Beaches.
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Subject: RE: Birdinfo
From: "Tony Russell" <pratincole AT esc.net.au>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:49:32 +0930
Thanks for this Keith. Good to see that Simon has fixed the problem
regarding preservation of one's own entries. This had been a problem for
me in the past. Maybe I'll get Birdinfo now.

Tony.

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[mailto:birding-aus-bounces AT vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kingfisher Park
Birdwatchers Lodge
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:21 PM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Birdinfo


Hi Folks,
For those interested in Birdinfo Simon sent me the following information

Version 5.2a of BirdInfo - Australia is now available at a cost of $50 
for new customers,

or, as an update for existing customer for $10.

 
Please note that BirdInfo has reverted to an Australia-only application.

The Australian list

 reflects Christidis, L & Boles, WE, 2008, Systematics and Taxonomy  of 
Australian Birds.

For the foreseeable future, only updates that apply to the Australian 
list will be available.

 
A new feature is that you are able to add in your own species names that

are preserved

 with future updates.

 
BirdInfo does still contain all the world bird species from the Clements

2000 checklist,

and any previously entered data are preserved. You can still fully 
operate with the old world list,

but there are no foreseeable plans to update the world list.

Simons' email is birds at netspeed.com.au.

Cheers,
Keith.

Keith and Lindsay Fisher
RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road
Julatten QLD 4871
Ph : (07) 4094 1263
Fax : (07) 4094 1466
Web Site: www.birdwatchers.com.au

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Subject: Re: common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
From: "Elizabeth Shaw" <surefoot AT waterfront.net.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:44:32 +1000
My guesses are:
Black Duck
Coot
Little Pied Cormorant
White-faced Heron
Striated Pardalote

Elizabeth Shaw
Phillip Island
Victoria
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Subject: [Birding-Aus] common birds - quiz [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]


Hi all,
 
An unexpected last-minute business trip to Alice Springs a week ago
means I have finally made it to every state and mainland territory of
Australia. I was only there for 24 hours, but managed to clock up 48
species (none new unfortunately, but every single one new for my NT
List!). With luck I'll get around to putting in a brief trip report, but
for now I'll just say that it highlighted an interesting observation:
 
Out of my 547 Australian species, there are only five that I have seen
in each of the states/territories (ie ACT, NSW, QLD, VIC, TAS, SA, WA
and NT).
 
Anyone care to guess which five species they might be?
 
(Should note that I've covered ACT, NSW, QLD, and VIC fairly well, have
visited SE part of SA and SW of WA a few times, have been to Burnie
(TAS) and hinterland briefly, and of course my 24 hours in Alice is my
total experience of NT so far.)
 

Harvey Perkins
Canberra

Classification: UNOFFICIAL


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Subject: Australia: Land of Parrots Re-screening
From: Martin <martismo AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:01:04 +1000
Just received this nice note from Aunty:

Dear Mr _______

I thought I would take this opportunity to send you through a quick update.

As a result of ABC viewer feedback, you may be pleased to know the ABC has
been able to identify a timeslot in QLD to re-broadcast* Australia: Land of
Parrots* on Saturday 17 May at 4pm.  This broadcast will be available on
both analog and Standard Definition digital transmissions on ABC1, but due
to technical limitations it will not be available on the High Definition
digital service.

I hope you enjoy this re-screening.

In addition, with so much positive feedback from ABC viewers, you might be
interested to know the DVD will be available to purchase from ABC Shops and
ABC Centres from approximately June 2008.

Kind regards

Vanessa


Hope all the Queenslanders out there will take time to watch.

Martin
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Subject: Re: Toads
From: Andrew Taylor <andrewt AT cse.unsw.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:14:25 +1000
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 01:54:28PM +1000, Graham Turner wrote:
> My understanding is that they are already in WA.

Not yet - expect a burst of newspaper stories when the  toad front
reaches WA.  Along the Victoria Highway the front was said to be 25km from
the WA border at the end of March.  So next wet should see toads in WA.
They'll like Kununurra.

Andrew

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Subject: Re: Keys to Cheetham Salt-works, Adelaide SA
From: "Dean Cutten" <cut10dr AT activ8.net.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:51:33 -0500
Aus Birders,

Back on April 14 I went to Cheetham office around noon to pick up a key and 
was told there was no gate key available as they were all out. However, 
after checking in the mail box the assistant found one key. At the time I 
thought there must be a few people out at the salt ponds. This time I came 
up from Victor Harbor (1.5 hr drive) on other business but sometimes I have 
come up especially to visit the salt ponds and if there was no key available 
I would not have been impressed. I thought the  key number was registered 
with the card holder when it was picked up and so the card holder could be 
contacted to return it if it had not been returned. So if birders have been 
hanging on to the keys then I support the new procedure to make birders 
return the gate keys.

Dean Cutten

Victor Harbor,  SA
Australia


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Griffin" 
To: "birding-aus" 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Keys to Cheetham Salt-works, Adelaide SA (long)


Greetings,

Following on from Tony Russell's posting on Thursday about the story in
Adelaide's Advertiser about possible transformation of some of the Dry Creek
saltworks into residential developments, I relate the following information:

I was at the Dry Creek office a week ago to borrow a key to get into the 
salt
pans near St Kilda.
The saltworks used to be owned by Penrice Soda, now they're owned by
Cheetham Salt, and they are commonly referred to as "Penrice".

The helpful woman at the desk where you pick up the keys
kindly informed me of a change that will almost certainly be happening.

Apparently when she started working there (not that long ago) there were 8
birdwatching keys. Now she has only 3. I asked why this was the case?
She said that basically people have come in and borrowed them and
never returned them.

Quite astonishing, really. When you consider that a few years ago, when
the business of indemnity and liability erupted, there was a strong 
possibility
that the owners of Dry Creek would make the place off limits to 
birdwatchers.

Before liability reared its ugly head, you could have a key permanently (or
at least for a year at a time).
It changed so that you have to pick up a key on the day that you go, with
the idea being that it is returned, if not the same day, then the next day
if you're picking the key up late afternoon for an early morning visit.

So, with all these keys effectively stolen, Cheetham's going to change all 
its
locks. The people who've kept keys won't be able to use them.

When Cheetham change the locks, you will need to leave a $30 deposit
to borrow a key.  This will be a pain if your saltworks trip is late in the 
day,
and you're returning the key to the letter-box at the end of the drive-way.
They'll have to post you your refund.

I think it is worth considering that the company gains nothing by making
the place available to birdwatchers, and the hassle and expense to them
of changing locks and administering deposit refunds is not inconsequential.

It was suggested that should the inconvenience factor grow much further,
birdwatchers would be barred.

Perhaps none of the people who've kept keys are readers of Birding-Aus?
(But they are birdwatchers, these are birdwatchers' keys I'm talking about)

Has the situation regarding access to McGrath's Hill (near Windsor NSW)
ever been resolved? Maybe some former regulars to that place could tell us
what it's like to have a wonderful birdwatching area taken off-limits?

My impression is that even if all Dry Creek keys were to miraculously appear
back at the office tomorrow, the wheels are in motion to replace the locks 
and
start the deposit rigmarole.  Maybe not though... do you think it's worth a 
try?


-- 
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Subject: RFI: Mainland locations for Sooty Oystercatchers in North Queensland. Update.
From: "Robert Inglis" <inglisrc AT tpg.com.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:58:18 +1000
Re my RFI for Sooty Oystercatcher locations in North Queensland:

As Indicated in the Subject Line of my original posting about this topic I 
am after information about locations on the mainland.
Locations on islands are of no interest for me.

I am sorry if there has been some confusion about my request for 
information.

Bob Inglis
Sandstone Point
Qld

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Subject: Re: Common bird quiz
From: Frank O'Connor <foconnor AT iinet.net.au>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 18:42:37 +0800
Might as well have a go.

Welcome Swallow (surely?)
Wedge-tailed Eagle (good chance but may have missed in Tas?)
Brown Falcon (may have missed in SW WA - but he should have seen it at 
Cheyne Beach)
Australian Magpie (may have missed in NT?)
Yellow-rumped Thornbill (my long shot)

Left out in order Tree Martin, Brown Goshawk, Collared Sparrowhawk, 
Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike, Grey Shrike-thrush, Australasian Pipit, 
Black-fronted Dotterel, Common Greenshank


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Subject: RFI: Mainland locations for Sooty Oystercatchers in North Queensland.
From: "Robert Inglis" <inglisrc AT tpg.com.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:55:17 +1000
I have a great desire, verging on compulsion, to take some photos of Sooty
Oystercatchers in North Queensland.
The background to this is my curiosity about the sub-species status (for
want of a better description) of Sooty Oystercatchers around Australia.
The current wisdom suggests (perhaps that should be "claims") that the
geographical 'division' between the two races in Queensland occurs around
the Tropic of Capricorn.
I have some doubts based on my personal photographic evidence,
so...........I would like to photograph some Sooty Oycs north of Rockhampton
(Emu Park to be more precise).
Actually, I would like to get some photos of Sootys from near Mackay or,
preferably, Bowen.

What I am asking is:

Are there any reasonably accessible locations between Rockhampton and Bowen
where Sooty Oystercatchers are presently in residence?
If so, would someone please pass the details of those locations on to me at
inglisrc AT tpg.com.au
When I say "reasonably accessible" I mean places which don't require serious
4 wheel driving or beach driving.

Cheers

Bob Inglis
Sandstone Point
Qld

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Subject: Birdinfo
From: Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge <sootyowl AT bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 18:50:33 +1000
Hi Folks,
For those interested in Birdinfo Simon sent me the following information

Version 5.2a of BirdInfo - Australia is now available at a cost of $50 
for new customers,

or, as an update for existing customer for $10.

 
Please note that BirdInfo has reverted to an Australia-only application. 
The Australian list

 reflects Christidis, L & Boles, WE, 2008, Systematics and Taxonomy  of 
Australian Birds.

For the foreseeable future, only updates that apply to the Australian 
list will be available.

 
A new feature is that you are able to add in your own species names that 
are preserved

 with future updates.

 
BirdInfo does still contain all the world bird species from the Clements 
2000 checklist,

and any previously entered data are preserved. You can still fully 
operate with the old world list,

but there are no foreseeable plans to update the world list.

Simons' email is birds at netspeed.com.au.

Cheers,
Keith.

Keith and Lindsay Fisher
RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road
Julatten QLD 4871
Ph : (07) 4094 1263
Fax : (07) 4094 1466
Web Site: www.birdwatchers.com.au

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Subject: Re: Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk?
From: "Greg & Val Clancy" <gclancy AT tpg.com.au>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 19:37:51 +1000
Belinda,

I would say Collared Sparrowhawk (adult) based on the length of the longest 
toe and the square tail.  Was it relatively small?

Greg Clancy

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To: "Belinda Cassidy" 
Cc: "birding aus" 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk?


> Belinda
>
> I don't claim to be an expert but I would say collared sparrowhawk, based 
> mainly on tail and brow.
>
> I think it was a good idea to ask-very respectful!
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Belinda Cassidy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:35 PM
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk?
>
>
>> Ok today we heard a huge `raucus' in the forest and we traced it to the 
>> bird
>> in the photo below. It seemed pretty happy to let us approach, so I asked 
>> it
>> if  could tell me if it is a brown Goshawk or a Collared Sparrowhawk? It
>> can't hurt to ask.
>>
>> Anyway, being unable to speak English, it  responded in what I have to
>> consider to be a kind of `special sign language' or something, which I
>> managed to capture on camera. What do you think it means?
>>
>> http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj144/Serenity-photos/raptor_1.jpg
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